[Starling]

HiddenOne, on 12 December 2012 - 12:28 AM, said:

Not convinced by Starling reveal
She seems sincere but timing too convenient plus no proof - would have been more believable days ago imo

Days ago there was no reason to reveal, and all I would have gotten was a NK out of it, or an accusation that i was trying to deflect from someone else.

I hate reveals, (this probably stems from the Batman game) and so I try not to use them at all. At this stage of the game I figure town can use all the information it can get, so I put it out there.

[Khellendros]

I'm going to bed.

I think the main thing I've managed to do is convince myself that Azath being a real finder is a very concrete possibility. Which then suggests that Bubba is not, and therefore Tattersail is town. But then there's the time stamps, which are consistent, and Bubba's extra little detail about only doing finds every other night.

Starling's reveal is...not great. But then it could be that Bru messed up. And there is no contradiction that I could find in the posts of Venge or KL.

HO is HO. But also there's his disbelief of Bubba's reveal which almost dismisses the possibility of Tats being scum, not something a scum would generally do. And then on the other hand there is Blend stepping in to stop his lynch.


Tattersail has raised my eyebrows all game: pairing with several people in killer combinations, but never voting me. Labelling Blend a symp. The posting vomit after Bubba's reveal. The suggestion we vote night which I don't believe would help us.

But the posting quantity, the case-making, constantly being visible - none of that has been regular killer behaviour, and we know he can't be a symp. And the, ahem, whining and crying he's been recently doing is, if a lie, some of the best acting this mafia board has ever seen.


As I said, I'm going to bed. I'll see what's what tomorrow.

[Khellendros]

Oh, my final thought:

It is galling to think only one of us is the killer, because a good case could be made on all of you, and probably me too

If I had to pick one of you as most traditional scum, it would be Starling.

But HO has shown in the past that ultra-quiet can be scum, while Gust has demonstrated that they can be gobby and thread-controlling too.

[HiddenOne]

Bedtime for me too , have to be up at 0545
We have time enough to vote then I hope

By the way Khell, today is also my birthday -isn't that odd
I hope yours was good, mine was just a typical day

[Vengeance]

HiddenOne, on 12 December 2012 - 03:02 AM, said:

Bedtime for me too , have to be up at 0545
We have time enough to vote then I hope

By the way Khell, today is also my birthday -isn't that odd
I hope yours was good, mine was just a typical day

Happy birthday HO

[Blend]

HiddenOne, on 12 December 2012 - 03:02 AM, said:

Bedtime for me too , have to be up at 0545
We have time enough to vote then I hope

By the way Khell, today is also my birthday -isn't that odd
I hope yours was good, mine was just a typical day

Happy birthday HO!

[Tattersail_]

Happy birthday HO

[Tattersail_]

Starlings reveal could be true, need to read it again when I'm awake. Analysis is spot on so far.

[Tattersail_]

remove vote

I'm going to look at the people who mentioned a lover, take a loook at Khell, read his analysis again and make a decision.

[Lizradusa]

It is Day 5. 19 hours and 28 minutes remaining
4 Players still alive: Hiddenone, Khellendros, Starling, Tattersail

3 votes to lynch, 2 votes to go to night.


Players not voted: Hiddenone, Khellendros, Starling, Tattersail

[Tattersail_]

So the first person to mention the lover pair is you Khell. You are the only person to actually mention this. I did a word find "lover" and before the reveal there was you and EM who mentioned lover. EM's was calling Venge a name. Dog Lover or something or other.

So here is your post. Starling is the one who answers.

Khellendros, on 04 December 2012 - 11:16 PM, said:

Starling, on 04 December 2012 - 11:09 PM, said:

Ooooohkay.

So we have reference to our two dead innos, something about a picture in the sand, and two people singled out. The person with a spear could either be the killer (I've been running on the assumption that there are two, but there could only be one) or a vig.

Well, IF we're supposed to take something from that, then I would suggest that it's hinting that KL was a part of a lover pair.

And the picture in the sand could refer to the fact that Tats' avatar was shown in one of PS' posts?


Sixty said there would be some roles, but I don't know if that means there would be something different from the norm.

So the above post is Starling speculating on the scene which if she picked up on her being in the scene then she may be trying to work out the rest.

Below is her reply to Gust Hubb.

Starling, on 04 December 2012 - 11:26 PM, said:

Gust Hubb, on 04 December 2012 - 11:10 PM, said:

I would question there being hints in the PS's text.

If there are no hints, why the text at all? Otherwise, it's totally superfluous to the game.

I also like that reference to people digging themselves holes Although it's entirely possible that one of those people is me...

So yeah I believe her reveal.

Below is you speculating on the kill Khell. Blend comes back with the answer. Blend the KILLER.

Tattersail, on 10 December 2012 - 01:21 PM, said:

Blend, on 06 December 2012 - 09:42 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 06 December 2012 - 09:26 PM, said:

Back to game - weird choice for a kill. I wolkd almost say inexperienced killer, except that I don't think there are any inexperienced players here.

Course, Azath could have been lying. But I'm still surprised neither he nor Gnaw on the other hand were killed.

I'm gonna throw it out there and say that Azath may have actually been a killer, using a finder reveal to throw us off his scent. It's a 13 person game, so I can totally see it being just 2 killers, 1 symp, and no roled towns.

That being said, Gust is kind of a weird choice. Though he WAS the one who was putting pressure on Azath, it would be kind of clumsy to go after someone so obvious, don't you think? Then again, I suspect Tats of being a killer, and the person voting him on Day 1 (KL) was killed during night 1. Could Azath and Tats be paired killers perhaps?

I think Bubba warrants some pressure, he's been quiet all game. That being said, I don't think I've ever played a game with Bubba, so I'm not sure if that's his M.O. or not.

No one but me created this pressure. Blend mentions him in passing.

Why would Blend go full out against Azath like this, he was first on his train followed by Bubba. He suspects me of being a killer too. Now he also mentions Bubba here...

Now Bubba Cf'd innocent so Blend would not have known he was their symp although he may have had an inkling.

Starling, on 11 December 2012 - 09:35 AM, said:

On the one hand, I think it's possible that Bubba kept bringing up the picture as a way of trying to figure out what people thought about it. Several times I've had roles I've had to stop myself talking about them and giving things away. Then again, all of his info, apart from his comment about Tatts, is available to anyone reading the thread.

And am I missing something? If Bubba can do a find every second night, and found Tatts the first night, who did he find last night? And if he could only do a find on the second night, what did the first picture mean?

I think you picked up on Bubba's lie. That third picture is total bull shit. A finder that posts pictures but then the third one is Picard?


Right.

[Tattersail_]

This still stands in my mind, just swap Bubba for Blend and you have a perfect triangle. I did quote my case against you, Bubba and Blend here Khell but too many quotes etc.

I think that Blend was Fake symping Khell though. So I rule you out of being scum Khell.

[Tattersail_]

So what is bothering me is HO.

I am going to mention your case in a minute. Right now I have some of my own thoughts.

This is D day. We know there is a killer amongst us four. We all have to make an informed decision on whether or not one of us is the killer. Khell you are doing the best job. Starling has defended herself with a lover reveal, and to be honest has acted ina townlike way throughout the game. She could be a killer hiding behind the lover reveal. So what does HO want to do D day? Chip in? Help us out?

HiddenOne, on 11 December 2012 - 04:37 PM, said:

Tatts, you have played like a machine all game, but you're freaking out, calm down


I think it was Bubba as symp trying to stall with his fake reveal

He believes Bubba's reveal was fake.

HiddenOne, on 11 December 2012 - 04:42 PM, said:

Khell, I think you I trust you more right now - do we follow the logic path of Shin?

Yet wants to follow Shin's logic and lynch me. That does not make sense. Two sentences contradicting each other.

HiddenOne, on 11 December 2012 - 08:57 PM, said:

looks like we're still in limbo

So instead of creating any kind of case or giving us any opinion to sway us he is just sitting there waiting.

HiddenOne, on 11 December 2012 - 09:17 PM, said:

Tattersail, on 11 December 2012 - 09:02 PM, said:

HiddenOne, on 11 December 2012 - 08:57 PM, said:

looks like we're still in limbo

What are you waiting on

Khell, I guess

Why is he waiting on Khell? What makes him think Khell is innocent. If he thinks Bubba is lying and I am innocent due to these going hand in hand then he must think Starling is scum, right?

HiddenOne, on 11 December 2012 - 09:24 PM, said:

most likely, although your talk of going to night was worrisome

He doesn't understand that going to night in this situation could benefit town, it takes the number of potential scum down. Who got night killed would be a big clue for whoever is not the killer. However, like Khell says it would probably be him so that is why he doesn't want to go that route.

Tattersail, on 11 December 2012 - 09:28 PM, said:

Not if you think tomorrow could be you me and starling or you me and Khell or me Khell and starling. You see Khell could be scum but I'm doubting that. We haven't heard from starling yet

I expand on my thoughts but he doesn't reply.

Tattersail, on 11 December 2012 - 09:38 PM, said:

HO do you think I'm scum?

I ask him a blatant question and he doesn't answer.

[Tattersail_]

HiddenOne, on 12 December 2012 - 03:02 AM, said:

Bedtime for me too , have to be up at 0545
We have time enough to vote then I hope

By the way Khell, today is also my birthday -isn't that odd
I hope yours was good, mine was just a typical day

No reply to any of Khells latest posts or my question. Has nothing to say to Starling either.


So here's how it looks to me, HO is scum.


Khell has invested a lot of time building up his vote today. If he is scum i'll be very impressed with his level of dedication. What sways me against him being scum is Blend's blatant symping of him. His answer to me "cracking the game". His going against the grain of most trains. His single mindedness on day one. I mean it would not be Khell if he didn't almsot break a game day one, also the case wasn't good but it did produce that beautiful post by Blend. The one he is disappointed in us for almost lynching HO.

In fact Blend stuck his neck out there and the only way I can see he did that is because he was protecting his team mate. He later defends his switch saying Venge was scummy. Even though Starling called him out on it.

I want to have one more read through with the thought that HO is scum. I want to see what Bubba and Blend do and say and mention.

[Tattersail_]

Khellendros, on 12 December 2012 - 02:27 AM, said:

I'm going to bed.

I think the main thing I've managed to do is convince myself that Azath being a real finder is a very concrete possibility. Which then suggests that Bubba is not, and therefore Tattersail is town. But then there's the time stamps, which are consistent, and Bubba's extra little detail about only doing finds every other night. Who did he find night 3 then? Can anyone explain the Picard picture? Is it helpful or hurtful to town?

Starling's reveal is...not great. But then it could be that Bru messed up. And there is no contradiction that I could find in the posts of Venge or KL. Her reveal seems genuine. Lover pair and finder countered by symp picture maker and two scum. Plus the scene. I think she argued with Blend somewhat as well, and did Blend not also accuse her earlier on?

HO is HO. But also there's his disbelief of Bubba's reveal which almost dismisses the possibility of Tats being scum, not something a scum would generally do. And then on the other hand there is Blend stepping in to stop his lynch. Not only that but if he believes Bubba's reveal is dog turd then why would he want to follow what Shin said?


Tattersail has raised my eyebrows all game: pairing with several people in killer combinations, but never voting me. Labelling Blend a symp. The posting vomit after Bubba's reveal. The suggestion we vote night which I don't believe would help us.

But the posting quantity, the case-making, constantly being visible - none of that has been regular killer behaviour, and we know he can't be a symp. And the, ahem, whining and crying he's been recently doing is, if a lie, some of the best acting this mafia board has ever seen.


As I said, I'm going to bed. I'll see what's what tomorrow.

[Tattersail_]

Ornery Owl, on 03 December 2012 - 07:22 AM, said:

Hmm. First, it appears.

(and only... )

Looking through. Who is this? The killer has been in stealth mode the whole game!

[Tattersail_]

Okay interactions with the belief that HO is scum. Timestamps are on the posts.

Khell you vote HO.

Khellendros, on 03 December 2012 - 12:07 PM, said:

Also,

Vote HiddenOne

Because we don't want a repeat of last time, now do we. Lynch the quiet monster!

He appears. His MO if you ask me, only appear and talk if mentioned.

HiddenOne, on 03 December 2012 - 12:56 PM, said:

checking in, once this day gets going I'll come back

A little defense. Then shift blame.

HiddenOne, on 03 December 2012 - 01:32 PM, said:

you guys already talking crap about me? Khell, you're just sore that you were playing for the wrong team last time.


I think if anybody is looking guilty it's EM, for bragging about a 4 day weekend when I just got a 1.5 day weekend
Don't associate me with the type of person who would do that

Blend then votes for you Khell. Downplays your vote as a joke vote.

Blend, on 03 December 2012 - 01:40 PM, said:

I am torn. A vote for EM is always a good choice in my books but not letting HiddenOne off the hook this time also seems smart. Then again, Tats and Khell were quick to start the joke voting, either of them could be trying to deflect right out the gates, plus I kinda wanna lynch Khell for lynching the healer that was right about everything in the Time Travel game (aka me). On Day 1 no less. In fact, I think we should get rid of him before he uses his superpowers to get us all killed.

vote Khellendross

Then Blend defends HO again by saying Khell is more hurtful to town than helpful.

Blend, on 03 December 2012 - 01:41 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 03 December 2012 - 01:37 PM, said:

HiddenOne, on 03 December 2012 - 01:32 PM, said:

you guys already talking crap about me? Khell, you're just sore that you were playing for the wrong team last time.


I think if anybody is looking guilty it's EM, for bragging about a 4 day weekend when I just got a 1.5 day weekend
Don't associate me with the type of person who would do that

Of course I'm sore! You can thank me for playing the best symp the world of mafia has ever known (despite not being a symp) by dying! Die, you bastard!

See even Khell agrees that he was more hurtful to town than helpful.

Khellendros, on 03 December 2012 - 01:51 PM, said:

Blend, on 03 December 2012 - 01:40 PM, said:

I am torn. A vote for EM is always a good choice in my books but not letting HiddenOne off the hook this time also seems smart. Then again, Tats and Khell were quick to start the joke voting, either of them could be trying to deflect right out the gates, plus I kinda wanna lynch Khell for lynching the healer that was right about everything in the Time Travel game (aka me). On Day 1 no less. In fact, I think we should get rid of him before he uses his superpowers to get us all killed.

vote Khellendross

It's not a joke vote, the longer we leave HO alone, the more we'll forget about him. That's his deadly power!

Although I have to admit your reason for voting me makes depressing sense too...

Which is exactly what has happened.

Blend, on 03 December 2012 - 01:51 PM, said:

I think this is the first time I have played a game with KL or Bubba, so I have no idea what to expect from either of them!! Anyone wanna fill me in?

Then Blend shifts focus away from HO.

Two innocent CF's. I know Bubba is the symp but here Blend wouldn't have done.

[Tattersail_]

HiddenOne, on 03 December 2012 - 03:49 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 03 December 2012 - 03:12 PM, said:

Tattersail, on 03 December 2012 - 03:10 PM, said:

I do not think I have played in an alt less game where town have won. This is going to be the first!

Because you're the killer and you're rubbish?

lovely post

Someone buddying up to you Khell in the hope you'll see the light.

In fact he does this again today. "Waiting for Khell I suppose"

[Khellendros]

I think part of me doesn't want to believe it could be HO again. Every time he comes up in analysis as the most credible option, I find something else to think about with you and Starling.

But I think what you've been saying makes sense.

And it also makes sense that Bubba would be a symp - the picture thing did exactly that: distraction, confusion, questioning... And what are the odds that he would have found a killer day 1. Not impossible I grant you, but Tattersail seems an unlikely target for a day 1 find. With Azath on the other hand, there is a way to trace those thought patterns that led to Gnaw and Gust.


Now you say that HO hasn't been helpful today, but neither has Starling really. I still don't know what she thinks about today.


Looking back.over my analysis of HO's posts, I also said he was most active day 1. Is that because also he had more to lose should he have been lynched?

[Starling]

Ok, so I'm home from work and with time to spend and thoughts to write. Give me a minute to put them into some kind of structure that makes sense, and then we can talk