[Olar Ethil]

This day has been a clusterfuck for me. I'll catch up on thread over the weekend.

[Tellan]

Highlight of the day:

Karosis, on 15 November 2012 - 11:07 PM, said:

.......
You have pretty much made a huge target of yourself, though. Hope you have more ways to make yourself lynchproof, I expect we'll be coming after you hard now.

Karosis, on 16 November 2012 - 04:49 PM, said:

Oh, incidentally, I will say it right now, I AM Guild of Beggars. I invite all my guild pals to vote me so as not to give yourselves away. A lynch will not be successful against me.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaa

[Atrahal]

Since the thread is dead I will write an extra-game post here:

I think Tapper is insane.

I've just realised that as well as modding this monster of a game, he's playing that weird-ass, and extremely intensive-seeming, Eclipse game too!

I swear, I've been in that thread about half a dozen times now, and it's like reading something in a language you have no understanding of.

[Path-Shaper]

Atrahal, on 17 November 2012 - 11:28 PM, said:

Since the thread is dead I will write an extra-game post here:

I think Tapper is insane.

I've just realised that as well as modding this monster of a game, he's playing that weird-ass, and extremely intensive-seeming, Eclipse game too!

I swear, I've been in that thread about half a dozen times now, and it's like reading something in a language you have no understanding of.

Well, you're not alone in thinking that. I'm coming to much the same conclusion.

[Sorrit]

Path-Shaper, on 18 November 2012 - 12:03 AM, said:

Atrahal, on 17 November 2012 - 11:28 PM, said:

Since the thread is dead I will write an extra-game post here:

I think Tapper is insane.

I've just realised that as well as modding this monster of a game, he's playing that weird-ass, and extremely intensive-seeming, Eclipse game too!

I swear, I've been in that thread about half a dozen times now, and it's like reading something in a language you have no understanding of.

Well, you're not alone in thinking that. I'm coming to much the same conclusion.

Aren't you in that Europe map game too with the tanks and ships? That one looks complicated too.

[Tellan]

Diplomacy. Less complicated than Eclipse. Far less complicated than this monstrosity.

[Tellan]

So, I was going back over things after the Sacrosanct first went up, and one reaction immediately caught my eye. It is this player's only posts in the last 3 days.

Fener, on 15 November 2012 - 02:51 PM, said:

Ok I am back for a second. The silencing of Ruse is kind of funny. At least it has cut down on his spam. I agree that the use of the sacrosanct is a desperate gamble to prevent being lynched. The fact that Tellan had the most votes at the time of its use is either a play to keep himself from being lynched or someone setting him up to be lynched. Either way I think that we have to lynch him. At first read I thought that the case on him was crap, but he barely defended and didn't try to deflect at all. Then he dropped off and the sacrosanct was implemented.


Vote Tellan

Just a quick aside. You can't defend something without actual accusations.

Fener, on 15 November 2012 - 02:56 PM, said:

Karosis, on 15 November 2012 - 02:51 PM, said:

That's a good point. It's possible that if we attempt to lynch Tellan, and he's on the sacrosanct ground, then we might still have enough time to try to lynch someone else.

Lynching him gives us alignment information either way. If we want to have a second lynch today then we need to lynch in the next couple of hours.



Edit: Changed won't to want

Fener, on 15 November 2012 - 03:14 PM, said:

Sorrit, on 15 November 2012 - 03:04 PM, said:

Whoa

remove vote

I'm just checking back in and there has been a lot going on since I last was on. My inital vote on Tellan was to try and get some information out of him. I never intended for it to be snowball into a full fledge lynch mob. I've got to get to work so I'll try and do a read up when I get there but I have a meeting first thing so I won't be able to dive into the last 3 pages for a few hours. I think Day still has about 5 hours to go right?

Get back here and read what is going on so if we have to get a second lynch in today then we can.

Fener, on 15 November 2012 - 03:48 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 15 November 2012 - 03:17 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 15 November 2012 - 03:01 PM, said:

Fener, on 15 November 2012 - 02:56 PM, said:

Karosis, on 15 November 2012 - 02:51 PM, said:

That's a good point. It's possible that if we attempt to lynch Tellan, and he's on the sacrosanct ground, then we might still have enough time to try to lynch someone else.

Lynching him gives us alignment information either way. If we want to have a second lynch today then we need to lynch in the next couple of hours.



Edit: Changed won't to want

I'm not sure but I think a non-lynch lynch would take us straight to dusk. Maybe PS can clarify?

Yup. No 'let's resume day' or anything, nor CF.

bugger

So, you have someone come from out of the blue to try to press for two immediate and quick lynches on other players. There is little regard to the repercussions of the actual fallout from two quick lynches of unknown factions, and obviously little attention to the thread being paid as well, considering the fact that they didn't know one lynch would end day.

Methinks could be 1 man Qadi faction.

[Emurlahn]

Atrahal, on 17 November 2012 - 11:28 PM, said:

Since the thread is dead I will write an extra-game post here:

I think Tapper is insane.

I've just realised that as well as modding this monster of a game, he's playing that weird-ass, and extremely intensive-seeming, Eclipse game too!

I swear, I've been in that thread about half a dozen times now, and it's like reading something in a language you have no understanding of.

You missed that Tapper is also playing Diplomacy.

[Emurlahn]

NVM, you caught it next post

[Emurlahn]

When does timer start?

I'm reading and making notes as I go, but only up to page 13 as yet.

[Path-Shaper]

Emurlahn, on 18 November 2012 - 09:27 PM, said:

When does timer start?

I'm reading and making notes as I go, but only up to page 13 as yet.

At its earliest 10 hours from now (with 27+ still on the clock). I'd like to try and time it in such a way that my social life (read: the girl friend) will have as little inconvenience as possible from resolution time - aka I will try and do that from work/before dinner.

[Sorrit]

Tellan, on 17 November 2012 - 07:34 AM, said:

Highlight of the day:

Karosis, on 15 November 2012 - 11:07 PM, said:

.......
You have pretty much made a huge target of yourself, though. Hope you have more ways to make yourself lynchproof, I expect we'll be coming after you hard now.

Karosis, on 16 November 2012 - 04:49 PM, said:

Oh, incidentally, I will say it right now, I AM Guild of Beggars. I invite all my guild pals to vote me so as not to give yourselves away. A lynch will not be successful against me.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaa

Yeah that is pretty funny. But what do you think of his claim of being lynchproof even when he is guarded by PS?

[Tellan]

Sorrit, on 19 November 2012 - 01:43 AM, said:

Tellan, on 17 November 2012 - 07:34 AM, said:

Highlight of the day:

Karosis, on 15 November 2012 - 11:07 PM, said:

.......
You have pretty much made a huge target of yourself, though. Hope you have more ways to make yourself lynchproof, I expect we'll be coming after you hard now.

Karosis, on 16 November 2012 - 04:49 PM, said:

Oh, incidentally, I will say it right now, I AM Guild of Beggars. I invite all my guild pals to vote me so as not to give yourselves away. A lynch will not be successful against me.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaa

Yeah that is pretty funny. But what do you think of his claim of being lynchproof even when he is guarded by PS?

I buy it.

He is who he says he is, I'm pretty sure. Small time, for now, if my guess is correct.

[Ruse]

The main question is whether it is repeatable or not. If it's a one-off then no biggie we can reconsider him tomorrow and all the days after.

[Tellan]

I assume he'll try to stay where it's Sacrosanct. Whether that continues to happen, on the other hand, is not within his control.

[Emurlahn]

These are posts that caught my eye for one reason or another. Some I comment on, others I don't. I guess you could call it a partial summary if you wish. It's rather long, so I'll spoiler it. And I run into the "too many quote blocks" error, so paginated as well. Appreciate the folks giving me benefit of the doubt last week on post count.

Spoiler

From Ruse post 44

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CoV - The Northern Desert / Square of Camels

Nepeth - The Nepeth Empire / Ishktar Oasis / The Nepeth Barracks

HoA - Qaurter of Coin / Ishktar Oasis also Khalif's Palace

GoB - The Mirror

NP - Square of Camels / Khalif's Palace / Quarter of Coin

Qadi - The Northern Desert

Khans - Road to Ishktar Oasis / The Horse Plains

Ruse missed the Khalif's Palace HoA person. Easily believable. But,

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Ruse post 63




"Right. And so the biggest possible alliance is 3 factions after which point one of the 3 will be unable to ally with every other faction so the alliance can't get any bigger. So if the Nepeth agree to ally with the HoA they can also get the CoV or the NP into their alliance. But that splits up the game neatly into players who are part of that alliance and players who are not probably with roughly equal numbers to each side. I think it's riskier than waiting though - let's say the Nepeth agree and the CoV join in too. Then mostly just from bad luck a few CoV and Nepeth players are crippled or killed in the first few days/nights. It'll be too late for the HoA to turn around and try to join the Qadi and NP who are now doing well. But instead of the HoA waited and saw the Nepeth/CoV going downhill they could ally up the other side without having made any animosity.




I guess there's advantages and disadvantages to either method but I still find the earlyness of it rather curious. Maybe one of the HoA players has an alliance-proposing-related ability. "

Seems off to me for some reason. HoA player signaling the alliance proposal HoA player?

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Telas p71




"The location analysis is pretty much useless imo. It's all speculation and even if we all knew where everyone was at the start of the day,It would be useless by now as people can move. "

Yes people can move and I seriously doubt that all members of any given faction started at the locations Ruse teased out. But people had to start somewhere and I don't see anything 'useless' in trying to figure that out.

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Galain p80

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Ruse, on 12 November 2012 - 01:41 PM, said:

Maybe them sheep shit gold?

If you find a market for sheep shit, then yes."

Somebody has a decent grip on economics.

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Telas p77

"But imagine for a minute,If Bacon was sold at 10 times its current price.Would people still buy it?

No.Because there is a certain equilibrium between demand and prices. "

Somebody else doesn't. If bacon was to suddenly jump to ten times the current price and there's a monopoly on bacon, then yes, some people will still buy it. That equilibrium thing you mentioned.

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Ruse p97

about Karosis:

Okay then go ahead and don't participate on thread. Just makes you look even more like you are focusing entirely on some major and complex role "

Yeah, that's easy to agree with.

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Atrahal p116

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"Well, people don't have to know other people to go culture hunting. You just do this: "hey, that guy was kinda sorta defending/not fully committed to the last lynch train, he MUST be on the same faction! Get him!"

The reasonable voices who would normally step in to say "but even if by some chance they were on the same faction, they most likely wouldn't know it, so the argument is invalid", would instead keep quiet, because otherwise they would know the mob would get them next. And that's how it works! "

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Tellan p117

"The first lynch or CF is where the Culture hunt will really begin and people can use thread comments to start tying them together. It's also why you don't see many players wanting to open themselves up quickly.




Basically a regular faction game with all the behind the scenes shenanigans adding multiple layers of in thread effects."

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Ruse p131

Quote from Sorrit then:




"Dunno what exactly but this post really pings my gut. Maybe its that you talk about there being 5 factions + Qadi when you then list the 6 in the next paragraph? It makes me think you are Qadi and haven't bothered to really think about the other factions because you are alone and just want to kill them all.




The last Qadi had a big string of bad luck but was dreadfully powerful so I'm going to follow my gut and

Vote Sorrit"

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Atrahal p173

"Breaking away from this to concentrate on the game for a second, my current thought is that Ruse might be the Qadi.




He's by far and away the top poster (not afraid of saying anything because he's immortal?), he's the only person to lay a vote so far (no one else in his faction?), and the person he's laid a vote on he suspects of being the Qadi (easiest to accuse someone of what you yourself are).




Or perhaps he just wants us to think he's the Qadi by playing this way. Anyway, those are my brunch thoughts. "

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Karosis p175

"Given that this game is going to be more fun with active players, and given that it will be played mostly behind the scenes and that it is necessary to play to do that, I am going to throw the suggestion out there that we should just lynch one of the people who are gonna get mod-killed. That way it's a little less likely to break the game if they get mod killed.




On that note,




vote Tennes




He is the first one I notices as not having checked in. Who are the others? I am thinking Fener, Korvalain, Tulas Shorn? Anyway, if people like this idea for a Day 1 lynch, I would be willing to move my vote amongst those players. If not, well I am open-minded, but I don't really see any great cases right now. "

Nothing obvious here, but Karosis does develop a sorta strange obsession with Tennes later.

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Karosis p178

"Yeah one post on Day 1. Okay so...




remove vote

vote Tulas Shorn "

Switched vote to a no-show.

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Ampelas p185

"Vote Tulas




I think no one predicted a day one lynch. Yet I would rather Tapper's game not broken as much as possible. "

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Fener p187

"Posted 13 November 2012 - 09:19 AM

I am here. Getting caught up. "

Time is important maybe. Somebody else is going to mention this later on.

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PS p196

"Posted 13 November 2012 - 09:35 AM




A Slaver Camp is established in the Northern Desert.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 13 November 2012 - 09:39 AM"

16 minutes after Fener showed up.




End of section 1.

[Emurlahn]

Section 2.

Spoiler

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Karosis p200
Reply to Emurlahn
"Meh it is a risk I am willing to take. What's wrong Emu is Tulas on your team? "

Included just so somebody doesn't holler "why did you ignore Karosis accustation..."

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Galain p216
About Fener
"Do I read that right, you want the game to be decided on night actions only? "

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Galain p226
About Fener
"I fail to see the harm of lynching one of the possible mod-kills. And even with an action heavy game there are probably factions that rely more on lynches than others, because not all kinds of actions are designed to be lethal. The way you go about it makes me think that you have a lethal action. "

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Galain p228
To Emurlahn
"I know that that part is from PS, but my meaning was apparently lost by you. So I try to explain it slower. Assume there was no mod-kill and we lynched a key-role day 1. Would you still hope for PS to adjust the role PMs - no you wouldn't.
So making the readjustment a reason to refrain from lynching because of possible balancing reasons is imho stupid. "

Agree. I misread the PS statement.

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Ruse p229
At Fener
"You go ahead focus on your off-thread stuff that is so great you want to ignore the game thread Fener. But those of who aren't 4+ CS assassins or generals with skeleton armies will be over here actually playing mafia. Maybe you'll get raided a bunch and have to come join us poor slogs in here later on. "

2 people pegging Fener as a possible assassin.

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Karosis p233
About Fener and slave camp formation timing
"Cause the slaver camp appeared just after Fener signed in for the first time. I know it could just as easily have been set up by someone else to throw the blame on Fener, or by someone having just sold something on the bazaar, so only then being able to afford it, but it just seemed like odd timing to me is all. "

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Galain p237
About Fener's weak deflection that Galain is using bad logic to paint Fener assassin
"You are right. I can think what I want without affecting reality, but sometimes my thoughts describe reality. "

Gives more weight to the Fener == assassin?

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PS p231
"Posted 13 November 2012 - 11:40 AM
The Nepeth and the Houses of Agreement have signed an alliance. "

Check timing on this. Fener and Tennes (Posted 13 November 2012 - 11:35 AM)
Makes Fener or Tennes look like Nepeth?

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Karosis p249
Posted 13 November 2012 - 12:24 PM

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Olar Ethil, on 13 November 2012 - 12:20 PM, said:
Weighing in on the lynch/non lynch. Since Tapper is giving until Wednesday morning I think we should give them as long as possible. Having been on that side of the equation, I know that sometimes I just forget that I signed up for a game.

I understand this, it has happened to me too, but come on, ToD is the kind of game that is sort of difficult to forget you've signed up for. One does not simply come unprepared for ToD. "

Karosis has a point

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Tennes p250
Posted 13 November 2012 - 12:38 PM

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Olar Ethil, on 13 November 2012 - 12:20 PM, said:
Weighing in on the lynch/non lynch. Since Tapper is giving until Wednesday morning I think we should give them as long as possible. Having been on that side of the equation, I know that sometimes I just forget that I signed up for a game.

Since when are we getting until Wednesday morning. Im under the impression day times out tonight after Tapper Taps it. "

Didn't bother to read up. Indicates anything?

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Galain p255

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Ruse, on 13 November 2012 - 01:24 PM, said:
Anyways my opinion is that just because the mod-kill timer is extended to during day 2 we should still lynch today. Doesn't have to be a low/no-poster but there doesn't seem to be enough thread presence for anything else. I liked the reasoning someone gave on thread before of not making Tapper suffer the grief of having to mod-kill (as many) players by lynching them for him. Either way I'm pro-lynch simply for the direction and content it gives the game-thread. A no lynch will just lead to another stagnant day.

Agreed. Among the players who are not low posters the person who stood out the most for me was Fener, because of the impression that he might have a lethal NA and his disinterest in the thread.
vote Fener
I'm willing to switch votes to a low-poster. "

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Ruse p261
To Anomandaris who just showed up
"Yes there is some non-content posts but it is hardly spam. If we can sift through over a thousand day one posts that are 99% true out-and-out spam and find the content in it to follow up on in most regular mafia games you can certainly do the same with the measly 300 posts in this one so far. You want content to post on? Go read the content that is there so far and make new content by responding to it. Or make some entirely new content. This 'I have nothing to say because everything is spam' excuses I see from you and others is not only wrong it is absurdly lazy. We can all play that way and the thread will have literally nothing for content or you can take some initiative and actually push yourself to play. "

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Ruse p262
Replying to Galain's vote on Fener
"I'd be okay with that. He is Fener after all We would get better information and follow-up from a Fener lynch than a no-poster and the no-poster might get modkilled anyway (personally I think all the no-posters will check in with 1 or 2 posts and disappear again before they would be MKed)
Remove Vote
Vote Fener "

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Karosis p265

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"Tulas Shorn, on 13 November 2012 - 01:34 PM, said:
Well, it took me long enough, but I'm here. I'll try to catch up as quick as I can.

Okay then...
remove vote
vote Osseric
I will be around until timeout. If it looks like the lynch is gonna go Fener's way instead, I'll move my vote, but I still think it would be better to just lynch someone who is probably going to get modkilled anyway. "

Not much of a comment on the Fener votes, but not negative lack in any way either.


End of section 2.

[Emurlahn]

Section 3

Spoiler

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Ruse p273

Posted 13 November 2012 - 03:27 PM

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Spite, on 13 November 2012 - 03:25 PM, said:

Ok i am currently around for a bit. On the idea of whether or not to lynch today im leaning on not lynching today because we have relatively little information. Although i could be persuaded otherwise.

Persuasion go:




If nothing ever happens on-thread the game will be a fucking boring mass of behind-the-scenes spreadsheets. Fucking SPREADSHEETS! Get the ball rolling towards not letting that happen by making the game thread dynamic and important and it all starts with a day 1 lynch. "

I agree whole heartily with Ruse on this. Even though I am the worst of the low posters by far.

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Sorrit p281

"Posted 13 November 2012 - 05:10 PM

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Spite, on 13 November 2012 - 04:39 PM, said:

Well so far ive not been too noisy on thread because i have work and i didnt see much point in joining in the spam.

I don't think there has been all that much spam. Okay, now back to work.




I doubt we'll get a lynch but accourding to Tapper day 1 of his ToD game there shouldn't be one but there should have been a lot more pressure on players than their was. This game can't go like the last ToD game. This one actually requires you to take out the competition by force ie, lynching. Though I think a fair number are probably thinking that they can probably do it at night. "

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Sorrit p312

"The Khalif's Justice almost feels like a waste to be enacted in the Northern Desert as it's the safest spot on the map most likely. Also not many people commented on the larger Nepath HoA alliance. After all, that is the sole (as far as we know) VC of the game. Yet no one has said anything about it. Seems kind of important to mention don't you think. "

What makes you think there are few people on that tile? Or any tile at that moment?

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Tellan p314

"Posted 13 November 2012 - 10:09 PM

It's a pretty sure fire way to gain +1 life points and make sure you aren't killed. Somebody paranoid might think it worth it. So... why the paranoia?




As to the alliance, it might change things on thread, but to be honest, collaboration amongst a single faction seems overtly difficult, let alone amongst two. That just went through, so it's kind of a wait and see thing for me. Can't put together pieces that don't exist yet. "

Agreed. ToD puzzles are difficult enough.

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PS p324

"Posted 14 November 2012 - 03:44 AM

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Tellan, on 13 November 2012 - 10:32 PM, said:

Anyone remember when the Tax Collector first popped up? Just curious as I didn't see it on the first page of tile abilities or anything like that. Part of me thinks it is Tapper, otherwise some player is raking in boukoup bucks.

It wasn't me "

Bah. Tax collector is a player. HoA?

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PS p356

"Market Rights have been granted to the Northern Desert.

Players here can now access the bazaar. "

So somebody is settling in.

[Emurlahn]

That was way too much like work.

[Ruse]

Tellan, on 19 November 2012 - 02:36 AM, said:

I assume he'll try to stay where it's Sacrosanct. Whether that continues to happen, on the other hand, is not within his control.

6 Worship every cycle doesn't seem sustainable but then again maybe it is if you're the pharoah or something. But presumably others will be clamoring to that tile as well. Hopefully not everyone there will be allied and they will bring him down for us then?