[QuickTidal]

Briar King, on 17 August 2021 - 04:16 PM, said:

If I never see Poe Rey and Finn again I’ll be happy.

I like the characters, they just got a shitty deal in the writing dept.

But yeah, I think they are largely going to be ignored going fwd. Boyega doesn't like how he was done-by with Finn (and rightly so), and Ridley says she has no interest in further SW stuff either...and Oscar has also likely moved on as well.

[paran falcon]

Traveller, on 17 August 2021 - 04:59 PM, said:

QuickTidal, on 17 August 2021 - 04:12 PM, said:

Traveller, on 17 August 2021 - 04:02 PM, said:

Briar King, on 17 August 2021 - 03:58 PM, said:

ST needs to be trashed and redone.

Yeah but how, and do you think they would? We all know it's balls, but I can't see them cutting it away unless they can come up with a World between Worlds loophole that lets them carry on with the Mando story on a different timeline, continuing into the future, and then leaving the ST as a 'what if.'

Just can't see it happening, more likely current new SW has to try to do its best to justify the existence of the ST in any way possible.

If I could offer a suggestion of what might be happening.

The High Republic, the villains from that, the Mandalorians, and other aspects of the recent content is building a new timeline that we can pay attention to going forward. Like whatever Ahsoka and everyone get up to comes around to take the place of the post TROS Galaxy after having taken pace in the unknown regions or something...you know? Like the old timeline with the Sequels exists and happened, but they shift focus to a new one that gets started by shows like MANDO and AHSOKA and such?

Like as annoyed as I am about it not being Luke when does it...maybe Ezra builds the new Jedi Order?

I like this idea. Build enough of a solid story with OT characters that can run alongside and then past the ST. I'm pretty certain all this cloning content is leading somewhere though.

What seems to have changed after the clusterfuck of the ST and the success of Mando is that the balance is tipping in favour of content provided by the 'new' showrunners (even though they've been producing quality animated shows for years) as live action reaches wider audiences.
Like, whereas content and ideas born in the animated shows (like WbWs) would never have previously had a hope of making it into the movies, the success of the tv shows has given them a platform to grow these threads and expand on them.
(Like, if anyone making the ST had actually watched Rebels, that Minister Hydan on Lothal was just begging to be used as a Snoke origin story, instead of the nonsensical puppet idea we got).

The Darksaber, Bo Katan, Ahsoka herself, Thrawn and therefore Ezra; for the most part born within animated shows and now legitimised in live action. Anything goes now, I think they've been given the go ahead to sort things out.

We've had time-jumps to post rotj in Rebels, so it's not impossible that they'll take stories around TRoS and establish a better future.

I could not agree more about Minister Hydan from Rebels becoming Snoke! I thought that made SO much sense AND could've gone anywhere as to what knowledge he acquired after his disappearance...

[D'rek]

Imperial Historian, on 17 August 2021 - 01:15 PM, said:

My sister has been working on this for the last year. Looks pretty cool!

Your sister continues to be my favourite person ever

Some of these looked awfully familiar so I went digging into the creators and sure enough the gritty old-timey samurai one has Takashi Okazaki (Afro Samurai creator) credited as character designer (but it's directed by some new up-and-comer), the one that looks like Promare-but-with-darth-waifu is by Hiroyuki Imaishi/Trigger/Sushio, and I'm not sure which but one of them is directed by Kenji Kamiyama (Ghost in the Shell:SAC, Moribito, etc) maybe the one with the weed trimmer lightsaber. And the tatooine music one is by Colorido (Penguin Highway) so it'll probably be gorgeous as heck.

[Imperial Historian]

D, on 18 August 2021 - 12:50 AM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 17 August 2021 - 01:15 PM, said:

https://www.youtube....h?v=lle0NNmvIyU

My sister has been working on this for the last year. Looks pretty cool!

Your sister continues to be my favourite person ever

Some of these looked awfully familiar so I went digging into the creators and sure enough the gritty old-timey samurai one has Takashi Okazaki (Afro Samurai creator) credited as character designer (but it's directed by some new up-and-comer), the one that looks like Promare-but-with-darth-waifu is by Hiroyuki Imaishi/Trigger/Sushio, and I'm not sure which but one of them is directed by Kenji Kamiyama (Ghost in the Shell:SAC, Moribito, etc) maybe the one with the weed trimmer lightsaber. And the tatooine music one is by Colorido (Penguin Highway) so it'll probably be gorgeous as heck.

Disney tasked my sister's company with finding the best studios and creators to work with. I think they have done a pretty good job!

[Traveller]

Briar King, on 18 August 2021 - 09:12 PM, said:

Think I’m a watch Ep IX next so I can bitch about Palps clone.

Yeah.

Definitely.

I keep thinking about a rewatch and then I remember that bit with the Sith dagger and the death star ruins and I change my mind.

[Abyss]

Briar King, on 19 August 2021 - 12:06 AM, said:

Traveller, on 18 August 2021 - 10:51 PM, said:

Briar King, on 18 August 2021 - 09:12 PM, said:

Think I'm a watch Ep IX next so I can bitch about Palps clone.

Yeah.

Definitely.

I keep thinking about a rewatch and then I remember that bit with the Sith dagger and the death star ruins and I change my mind.

And umm horses on the hull of a star destroyer..

I acknowledge the absurdity, but they even explained it... it was far far FAR from the dumbest thing in that movie. The Star Destroyer was the size of a city and they needed a way to get around its hull quickly while it was in the atmosphere.
Got speeders? None. The transports? Flying targets. X-Wings? Can't carry troops. What have we got? Well, we have really big horses....
Versus absolutely EVERYTHING to do with Palpatine, the horses were genius.

[Not-So-Great-Raven]

Briar King I hail your courage. I just can't bring myself to re-watch the sequel trilogy, just can't. I've meant to re-watch them multiple times, but they are just so utterly stupid (my opinion, no offense to anyone) that every time I fail to even start.

Also, am I the only one not that into The Bad Batch? I feel like it's missing the overarching storyline and is just a bunch of loosely tied episodes of them doing bounty hunting missions. In the beginning it was exciting, but now I still haven't finished it. Whereas with Clone Wars and Rebels almost every episode made you want to watch the next one and I almost binge watched both of them.

[Traveller]

Not-So-Great-Raven, on 19 August 2021 - 06:39 AM, said:

Briar King I hail your courage. I just can't bring myself to re-watch the sequel trilogy, just can't. I've meant to re-watch them multiple times, but they are just so utterly stupid (my opinion, no offense to anyone) that every time I fail to even start.

Also, am I the only one not that into The Bad Batch? I feel like it's missing the overarching storyline and is just a bunch of loosely tied episodes of them doing bounty hunting missions. In the beginning it was exciting, but now I still haven't finished it. Whereas with Clone Wars and Rebels almost every episode made you want to watch the next one and I almost binge watched both of them.

Yeah I can't rewatch. So much winds me up. That bit during the duel where they were in two places at once was a really good concept, but all I was thinking was 'You just left Vaders helmet in the dirt in a village?!!'

The abuse of the falcon gets me. The thing is a heap in the OT, the full size sets show it's clunky and rough. But the ST makes it a cgi miniature which gets thrown around like a toy, smashing trees, skidding around on rocks, and crashing into the ground at every opportunity like it wouldn't just smash all over the place. Ugh.

That dagger. More ugh. Horses on the destroyer is actually not as dumb as the rest of it.

I loved the Bad Batch. It has a theme, it has a running storyline, it looks beautiful, it's tying into the other shows nicely; it's subtle. Rebels only really got good though accumulative seasons; glad BBs got another season to look forward to and build on.

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[QuickTidal]

Briar King, on 19 August 2021 - 03:03 AM, said:

Who all is this in the voice bit? I can only pick out a handful of them.

Liam Neeson as Qui-Gon Jinn
Ewan McGregor as Obi-Wan Kenobi
Hayden Christensen as Anakin Skywalker
Frank Oz as Yoda
Samuel L. Jackson as Mace Windu
Freddie Prinze Jr as Kanan Jarrus (from Star Wars: Rebels)
Ashley Eckstein as Ahsoka Tano (from Star Wars: The Clone Wars/Rebels)
Angelique Perrin as Adi Gallia (from The Phantom Menace, The Clone Wars and, er, Jedi Power Battles on PSone)
Jennifer Hale as Aayla Secura (from Attack of the Clones, Revenge of the Sith, Star Wars: The Clone Wars)
Olivia D'Abo as Luminara Unduli (from Attack of the Clones and The Clone Wars)

[QuickTidal]

Briar King, on 19 August 2021 - 01:58 PM, said:

I only picked out the top 5

All others went right by me.

I heard Kanan in the theatre and nearly lost my shit. I loud whispered KANAN to my wife...she laughed at me.

[worry]

If you wanna talk about Jedis who get done dirty by the series, what about Yaddle?

[QuickTidal]

Briar King, on 26 August 2021 - 01:49 AM, said:

Fucking Jar Jar..

It’s all his fault what happens next after that emergency power vote. Mas Ameda and Palps played that dumb bumblefuck like a fiddle in Palps office. “If only Senator Ameidla were here.”

But that just means it’s not his fault. Palps and Mas used him, and he’s too simple to know Better.

That said, the emergency powers were strictly military at that point.

The Republic doesn’t get reorganized till Anakin fucks up and helps kill Mace in ROTS. So I blame Anakin LONG before I blame Jar Jar.

[D'rek]

Briar King, on 26 August 2021 - 03:18 AM, said:

One thing that really bugged me since the midichorine bullshit was brought up in Ep I… if you start losing limbs you lose the ones that are in that part of the body so you should become less powerful. I much preferred the OT leaving it as just an energy field/mystical shit.

Midichlorians don't directly give force powers/sensitivity. Every person has midichlorians - people with force sensitivity/powers are just the ones who are able to "listen" to the Force through the midichlorians in their body. Having more midichlorians is linked with having greater total potential to develop crazy strong Force powers and it being easier to get started learning to wield the Force, but once you actually start learning it you are wielding the Force directly and don't necessarily need the midichlorians per se - once you've mastered it you could lose all your midichlorians from your body and still know how to wield it just the same.

(something something all living beings are The Living Force but midichlorians are what allows larger organisms to tap into The Cosmic Force something something I don't know that part)


Also yellow is best lightsaber come at me

[Traveller]

I seem to remember that when the prequels first came out, the midichlorian count business was vaguely used to explain why Vader in OT was slower and kinda clumsy in the duels - like he lost a lot of his ability having lost limbs.

But all the Vader content since then has contradicted it, his suit making him stronger if anything.

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[Not-So-Great-Raven]

Finally finished The Bad Batch. I have to admit it did get better towards the end, when we FINALLY got another clone (Captain-whats-his-name) show regret over the occupation/treatment of Ryloth. I was really dissapointed that it took so many episodes to find clones other than the 99 who were skeptical of their actions or the actions of the empire (inhibitor chip blah-blah, it only excuses so much).

[QuickTidal]

Briar King, on 26 August 2021 - 02:19 AM, said:

But that wouldn’t happen without Jar Jar opening the can of worms to begin with. He would certainly have found another way to get the clones in play.

Oh my that moment when Mace lights his PURPLE blade! All those years of just green blue and red. Looked sooooo different and great.

Right, but who left him in charge? Padme. If Padme had left anyone else in charge of her spot as proxy, it doesn't happen. Padme leaves him in charge even though she KNOWS how simple Jar Jar is.

So Padme and Anakin are equally responsible.

Jar Jar is rather blameless.

[Tiste Simeon]

QuickTidal, on 26 August 2021 - 12:03 PM, said:

Briar King, on 26 August 2021 - 02:19 AM, said:

But that wouldn’t happen without Jar Jar opening the can of worms to begin with. He would certainly have found another way to get the clones in play.

Oh my that moment when Mace lights his PURPLE blade! All those years of just green blue and red. Looked sooooo different and great.

Right, but who left him in charge? Padme. If Padme had left anyone else in charge of her spot as proxy, it doesn't happen. Padme leaves him in charge even though she KNOWS how simple Jar Jar is.

So Padme and Anakin are equally responsible.

Jar Jar is rather blameless.

Something something Darth Jar Jar theory...

[QuickTidal]

Tiste Simeon, on 26 August 2021 - 02:11 PM, said:

QuickTidal, on 26 August 2021 - 12:03 PM, said:

Briar King, on 26 August 2021 - 02:19 AM, said:

But that wouldn’t happen without Jar Jar opening the can of worms to begin with. He would certainly have found another way to get the clones in play.

Oh my that moment when Mace lights his PURPLE blade! All those years of just green blue and red. Looked sooooo different and great.

Right, but who left him in charge? Padme. If Padme had left anyone else in charge of her spot as proxy, it doesn't happen. Padme leaves him in charge even though she KNOWS how simple Jar Jar is.

So Padme and Anakin are equally responsible.

Jar Jar is rather blameless.

Something something Darth Jar Jar theory...

Haha, it's a good theory.

[Tsundoku]

Briar King, on 26 August 2021 - 04:43 PM, said:

Is this real?

That you have to ask ...

Deepfakes are getting better. Soon we'll have all sorts of crazy pr0n.

[QuickTidal]

Briar King, on 27 August 2021 - 04:59 AM, said:

Spoilers if ya ain’t watched quite a number of the current shows these past few years. So what y’all think? Any legs to stand on here?

Huh, I'd never put together the fact that Ahsoka is a Linch pin....but yeah this tracks.

Spoiler

It also is a solid reason why the AHSOKA logo for the tv show is made up of the World Between Worlds imagery.

And yeah, the rest of his info tracks. So unless the sequels and MANDO have massive plot holes in them/between them (which I highly doubt with Filoni and Favreau in charge with KK's full blessing), then this makes infinite sense.

Also factor in that Mando would NEVER let Grogu, his only tribe member/family, die at the hands of anyone, without giving up some fight. We know that Kylo and the other students who destroyed Luke's temple were unopposed.

And think on the future of the series and the insertion of more than one element of the HEIR TO THE EMPIRE trilogy into places like THE BAD BATCH.

You can literally use the WBW/Ezra-Saves-Ahsoka moment to hinge turning the Sequel era into a splinter branch that dead ends with Rey in TROS...and bend it instead to the HEIR future where Luke lives, makes his Temple and is successful, the New Republic survives and Leia is in charge.

Then you can have the REAL enemy for the next era be Mandalorians of other calibre and the darksaber can come back into play against the Jedi. And the Emperor stays safely dead at the end of ROTJ.

And I'll even tell you the moment that would let audiences know this was a new timeline...you have Leia give birth...to Twins, and not Ben.

I'll be honest, it is a sensible way forward. Not because we need to wipe out the Sequels (Even though I have major issues with them), but rather the Sequels pretty much dead end at Rey inn the end of TROS...like she's literally in the same spot as Luke was at the end of ROTJ, with the call to rebuild the Jedi order, and the many defenders of the peace from the last space battle needing to rebuild the New Republic....so unless you want to redo everything AGAIN after that...just with Rey instead of Luke (and remember that none of the actors seem interested in returning in the slightest to those roles)...you've lost the plot.

So yeah, a timeline shift, and a redo from much earlier with the likes of Mando, Ahsoka, Ezra and such...with Luke, Leia, Han ect. refilling their original HEIR roles....yeah that's the way to pave forward in a more interesting way.