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Posted 12 April 2018 - 05:16 PM
worry, on 12 April 2018 - 03:01 AM, said:
Being able to project there using Leia as an anchor... I like that.
Gifs should be banned on twitter though!
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Posted 12 April 2018 - 05:57 PM
So, post-TLJ BluRay Diplomacy Tour, the wheels come off and Hamill says he doesn't care if he returns as Luke for IX (force ghost obviously).
I realize it's said here in context of doing another one without Carrie Fisher (whose loss he obviously feels keenly)....but his other thoughts on Luke in TLJ are well known and I can't help but hear that in his response here as well.
At any rate, I hope they drive a dumptruck full of money up to his house and beg him to return for IX...because quite frankly, I don't care enough about Rey, Finn, and Poe to get me in the door for the final film otherwise, especially since Carrie is now gone. That would mean no Legacy Charcters in the supposed "hand-off" movie trilogy ending.
Bring on SOLO though, I'm excited for that!
I realize it's said here in context of doing another one without Carrie Fisher (whose loss he obviously feels keenly)....but his other thoughts on Luke in TLJ are well known and I can't help but hear that in his response here as well.
At any rate, I hope they drive a dumptruck full of money up to his house and beg him to return for IX...because quite frankly, I don't care enough about Rey, Finn, and Poe to get me in the door for the final film otherwise, especially since Carrie is now gone. That would mean no Legacy Charcters in the supposed "hand-off" movie trilogy ending.
Bring on SOLO though, I'm excited for that!
This post has been edited by QuickTidal: 12 April 2018 - 06:11 PM
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Posted 12 April 2018 - 10:02 PM
QuickTidal, on 12 April 2018 - 05:57 PM, said:
Lol, "the wheels come off", really? No Carrie, no Harrison, of course he doesn't feel the need to return. Add in the fact the dude doesn't need any more money, factor in the whiniest fandom in this or any galaxy, and why should he care?
"Here is light. You will say that it is not a living entity, but you miss the point that it is more, not less. Without occupying space, it fills the universe. It nourishes everything, yet itself feeds upon destruction. We claim to control it, but does it not perhaps cultivate us as a source of food? May it not be that all wood grows so that it can be set ablaze, and that men and women are born to kindle fires?"
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Posted 13 April 2018 - 03:37 AM
Salt-Man Z, on 12 April 2018 - 10:02 PM, said:
You’d really have to have been following the whole thing.
EDIT: I should be clearer. Though always diplomatic, Hamill has said he doesn't care much for the trajectory of Luke (though he's a consummate professional and gave the role his all) and has said things along those lines since Celebration (an instance where Kat Kennedy had to interrupt him and correct him, I might add), and in multiple interviews where he basically backhandedly compliments the film and Johnson's ideas. He then had to "take back what he'd been saying", which read to me like Disney/LFL bringing down the hammer on him as it was helping feed the divisiveness of the films reception, and they put him on the BluRay Tour with RJ and the producer as a show of "See? everything is great. Buy our movie."....meanwhile Hamill spends every taped instance of that tour nearly roasting Johnson for his choices, and saying things like "Maybe Luke just transported himself somewhere and isn't really dead"...which on the face of it may seem like casual joking (which Hamill has been known to take part in) but to some speak to a deeper rift that has formed. Add to that a recent instagram post where he shows images of rebooted TV shows (Will & Grace, and Roseanne) and says something along the lines of "How nice to see these casts reassemble on screen together again, like they never left those roles"....which was so out of the blue and not something he would have commented on before. But he was a big proponent of "getting the band back together"...but now laments that didn't happen and now cannot happen. And now this comment after Carrie's passing, his disinterest.
You ask "Why should he care?" (I'll ignore the "whiniest fandom" comment, and hope it was not aimed at me directly)...the simple answer is because he always has. Being Luke Skywalker even years after he'd played him meant a lot to Mark. He was always happy to talk to fans, and goof with them about it over the years. And you could palpably feel his excitement when GL asked him about returning for more films before the Disney hand-off. Later in an interview he spoke about getting the Force Awakens script and being so excited to see where he'd show up...and het got to the Starkiller Base forest sequence and thought "Oh, here it is. Now Luke is going to show up and save the two younger leads from the villain" (which I freely admit was exactly where I thought he'd show up too)...and he was non-plussed to find out that he didn't and his role amounted to a small cameo at the tail end. You could feel his deflation....but I think he was still excited at that point before TLJ occurred, and it wasn't until he was digging through the TLJ script that he began to have his real reservations.
This "view" of Mark's is easily seen in most of his interviews. But I'd honestly start with that Celebration panel as it's the first tell-tale moment of dissension among the ranks.
So yeah, his most recent comments about no longer caring if he returns, when he very much cared until now...say more to me than I'd wager they would in any other situation.
If that makes me a crazy conspiracy theorist, fine. Laugh at me then.
This post has been edited by QuickTidal: 13 April 2018 - 01:15 PM
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Posted 23 April 2018 - 01:26 PM
Audition went out for IX, casting a female lead age 40-50, named on the sheet as "Mara"
Speculate!
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Posted 23 April 2018 - 03:06 PM
Briar King, on 23 April 2018 - 02:59 PM, said:
Rey will be her daughter with Luke unknowingly being baby daddy from a one night stand/grudge fuck.
You know, I would have initially thought that was not possible in this trilogy now...but that's immediately what came to my mind as well when I heard this.
I think that's got a fair shot at being accurate.
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Posted 23 April 2018 - 04:02 PM
Briar King, on 23 April 2018 - 03:20 PM, said:
Count on it unless Ben knocks Rey up in IX. No way they let Skywalkers fizzle out.
Agreed.
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Posted 24 April 2018 - 08:04 AM
Briar King, on 24 April 2018 - 12:49 AM, said:
We ll see how it plays out. I still don’t believe Ben telling her she is a nobody. If it’s really true though I do think they will reproduce continuing the bloodline even if the name is lost.
If Mara is cast though it should be telling. I don’t think they would cherry pick her name for nothing. They can always introduce another Skywalker out of the blue and what I said before can hold true. He didn’t know. Or he could know and was trying to protect from Snoke/Ben/F.O. by keeping everybody in the dark.
Sorry I’m just rambling now.
If Mara is cast though it should be telling. I don’t think they would cherry pick her name for nothing. They can always introduce another Skywalker out of the blue and what I said before can hold true. He didn’t know. Or he could know and was trying to protect from Snoke/Ben/F.O. by keeping everybody in the dark.
Sorry I’m just rambling now.
He said he saw into her mind, saw what she already suspected. Rey herself doesn't know the truth, maybe all he was seeing was her own supressed suspicions, which he got her to admit. Doesn't mean it's the actual truth.
Also Simon Peggs comment about JJs plan means that the ambiguity of Bens comment can be worked around, if he wanted to still use his original idea.
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Posted 24 April 2018 - 12:48 PM
Traveller, on 24 April 2018 - 08:04 AM, said:
Briar King, on 24 April 2018 - 12:49 AM, said:
We ll see how it plays out. I still don’t believe Ben telling her she is a nobody. If it’s really true though I do think they will reproduce continuing the bloodline even if the name is lost.
If Mara is cast though it should be telling. I don’t think they would cherry pick her name for nothing. They can always introduce another Skywalker out of the blue and what I said before can hold true. He didn’t know. Or he could know and was trying to protect from Snoke/Ben/F.O. by keeping everybody in the dark.
Sorry I’m just rambling now.
If Mara is cast though it should be telling. I don’t think they would cherry pick her name for nothing. They can always introduce another Skywalker out of the blue and what I said before can hold true. He didn’t know. Or he could know and was trying to protect from Snoke/Ben/F.O. by keeping everybody in the dark.
Sorry I’m just rambling now.
He said he saw into her mind, saw what she already suspected. Rey herself doesn't know the truth, maybe all he was seeing was her own supressed suspicions, which he got her to admit. Doesn't mean it's the actual truth.
Also Simon Peggs comment about JJs plan means that the ambiguity of Bens comment can be worked around, if he wanted to still use his original idea.
Yeah, that part of TLJ is the easiest to ret-con/take another way as it's pretty ambiguous and really did just seem like Ben's attempt to coax Rey to his side. Rey can be a somebody in IX. Which would please me.
This post has been edited by QuickTidal: 24 April 2018 - 12:49 PM
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Posted 26 June 2018 - 03:20 AM
An SJW is someone who verbalizes the fact that people of all stripes have inherent value instead of remaining silent or denying it.
I don't necessarily believe there's a huge line of creatives who were once willing to make but are now running away from making a Star Wars project -- it's Star Wars! -- though if there is it's more likely to do with the toxicity of a certain subset of the fan base than any perception of the franchise. (I don't think anyone here, including the most fervent haters of TLJ, are in that subset, mind you).
I don't necessarily believe there's a huge line of creatives who were once willing to make but are now running away from making a Star Wars project -- it's Star Wars! -- though if there is it's more likely to do with the toxicity of a certain subset of the fan base than any perception of the franchise. (I don't think anyone here, including the most fervent haters of TLJ, are in that subset, mind you).
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Posted 26 June 2018 - 01:36 PM
To elaborate on what BK said.
The latest scuttle from some insiders is that there was a BIG super secret conference call (one in which security guards stood outside the door so no one could eavesdrop) between Disney and Lucasfilm (with Pixar and Marvel Studios suits listening in...not sure why that would be...perhaps to give advice later on to Iger or Horn?) and KK's time is effectively up and she and her "loyalists" (not my word) would have been shown the door already if they could get someone who was willing to replace her. Apparently they've asked a few people so far, all of whom have said no (this included, to my surprise, JJ Abrams himself who gave a flat "no") as they don't feel like boarding a ship heading into (if not already in) dire straits and steering it out (I'l freely admit that's a HUGE job). The other thing that came out of this call was that JJ was hired for IX OVER KK's head by Iger. That she and JJ don't even speak (their relationship during TFA was apparently quite strained), and his hiring for IX by Iger is basically a middle finger to KK's decisions.
Also, was reading a young woman who is in PR and she's very clear that Lucasfilm has been running a PR game since TLJ came out to try to paint things not as they are to avoid the flames. Like the whole drive to show that only white man babies who don't like females or POC are the ones that didn't like TLJ and don't want it to succeed based on that. But she correctly points out that ROGUE ONE was a SUPER success, critically, monetarily, and with fans (apparently even moreso than LFL and Disney expected) and it features the most diverse cast in Star Wars history, and also features a female lead. And the movie that DIDN'T succeed, (SOLO), was lead by a white man. So she's pointing out that if the spin that they are trying to drive is "racist sexists" are the only people complaining, is tone deaf at best and blatantly incorrect at worst. The last thing she notes from a PR angle is that these are VERY relevant and time honoured PR tactics that companies constantly use to avert the gaze from the real issues (whatever those may be) so that they can save public face....but the thing they weren't counting on was that the fanbase that they are essentially alienating is SO large (if not the FIRST fandom, then one OF the first fandoms) that it doesn't work. It's not a cover-up-able thing with fans in the millions all trying to get down to why the IP is starting to flounder creatively.
Anyways, my hope is that they move Dave Filoni into the creative Kevin Feige-like role of top down oversight of the franchise. He lives and breathes Star Wars and is GL's protege, and his whole life till now has kinda been leading to this (what with Exec Oversight of TCW and REBELS). It SOUNDS like KK is out...and to be honest, I would imagine that means her closer advisors are probably going with her. The rumour from the above scuttle is that the division in Lucasfilm is palpable, and untenable.
I just want Star Wars to have a cohesive narrative path going forwards.
And Worry, "toxic fandom" is a strain of the same PR game. Highlighting the bad eggs and blowing them out of proportion to encompass more of fandom than they actually do. This is a proven studio tactic in fact. When the trailer for Ghostbusters 2016 came out, it was massively down voted and the various complaints about it ranged from the "toxic" subset to much more level dislike to complex takedowns...and Sony (who ONLY allowed their YouTube page to host the trailer, clever that) who knew they might have a bad film on their hands and a bad response by their potential audience...DELETED any and all negative comments that were in any ways reasonable, and only left up the positive comments and (and here is the insidious part) the sexist and racist ones. So that they could point at that and go "See! It's just racist sexist's who don't want this movie to exist!"....and they ran with that narrative directly to the mainstream media. who bought it hook, line, and sinker...and it wasn't till a few days later that it YouTubers showed up with the receipts of what really occurred. Screenshots of the YT Sony trailer page filled with much more reasoned negative comments that had been deleted over the course of two days...because they didn't play to the narrative Sony's PR department was running.
Do I think that a subset of SW fans are of the toxic variety? ABSOLUTELY. Every fandom has them. Do I think that the majority of Star wars fans who discuss SW online and elsewhere are of that variety? No, I don't. Even a little bit. Do I think that such a "toxic" portion of the fanbase is being taken into account by Hollywood heavy hitters who have been offered the job os Star Wars? No. I think that Star Wars was ALREADY a daunting franchise to "command" BEFORE the Disney buyout....and after 4 movies of behind the scenes strife and a riven fanbase...it's got to be even more daunting for anyone to take on.
The latest scuttle from some insiders is that there was a BIG super secret conference call (one in which security guards stood outside the door so no one could eavesdrop) between Disney and Lucasfilm (with Pixar and Marvel Studios suits listening in...not sure why that would be...perhaps to give advice later on to Iger or Horn?) and KK's time is effectively up and she and her "loyalists" (not my word) would have been shown the door already if they could get someone who was willing to replace her. Apparently they've asked a few people so far, all of whom have said no (this included, to my surprise, JJ Abrams himself who gave a flat "no") as they don't feel like boarding a ship heading into (if not already in) dire straits and steering it out (I'l freely admit that's a HUGE job). The other thing that came out of this call was that JJ was hired for IX OVER KK's head by Iger. That she and JJ don't even speak (their relationship during TFA was apparently quite strained), and his hiring for IX by Iger is basically a middle finger to KK's decisions.
Also, was reading a young woman who is in PR and she's very clear that Lucasfilm has been running a PR game since TLJ came out to try to paint things not as they are to avoid the flames. Like the whole drive to show that only white man babies who don't like females or POC are the ones that didn't like TLJ and don't want it to succeed based on that. But she correctly points out that ROGUE ONE was a SUPER success, critically, monetarily, and with fans (apparently even moreso than LFL and Disney expected) and it features the most diverse cast in Star Wars history, and also features a female lead. And the movie that DIDN'T succeed, (SOLO), was lead by a white man. So she's pointing out that if the spin that they are trying to drive is "racist sexists" are the only people complaining, is tone deaf at best and blatantly incorrect at worst. The last thing she notes from a PR angle is that these are VERY relevant and time honoured PR tactics that companies constantly use to avert the gaze from the real issues (whatever those may be) so that they can save public face....but the thing they weren't counting on was that the fanbase that they are essentially alienating is SO large (if not the FIRST fandom, then one OF the first fandoms) that it doesn't work. It's not a cover-up-able thing with fans in the millions all trying to get down to why the IP is starting to flounder creatively.
Anyways, my hope is that they move Dave Filoni into the creative Kevin Feige-like role of top down oversight of the franchise. He lives and breathes Star Wars and is GL's protege, and his whole life till now has kinda been leading to this (what with Exec Oversight of TCW and REBELS). It SOUNDS like KK is out...and to be honest, I would imagine that means her closer advisors are probably going with her. The rumour from the above scuttle is that the division in Lucasfilm is palpable, and untenable.
I just want Star Wars to have a cohesive narrative path going forwards.
And Worry, "toxic fandom" is a strain of the same PR game. Highlighting the bad eggs and blowing them out of proportion to encompass more of fandom than they actually do. This is a proven studio tactic in fact. When the trailer for Ghostbusters 2016 came out, it was massively down voted and the various complaints about it ranged from the "toxic" subset to much more level dislike to complex takedowns...and Sony (who ONLY allowed their YouTube page to host the trailer, clever that) who knew they might have a bad film on their hands and a bad response by their potential audience...DELETED any and all negative comments that were in any ways reasonable, and only left up the positive comments and (and here is the insidious part) the sexist and racist ones. So that they could point at that and go "See! It's just racist sexist's who don't want this movie to exist!"....and they ran with that narrative directly to the mainstream media. who bought it hook, line, and sinker...and it wasn't till a few days later that it YouTubers showed up with the receipts of what really occurred. Screenshots of the YT Sony trailer page filled with much more reasoned negative comments that had been deleted over the course of two days...because they didn't play to the narrative Sony's PR department was running.
Do I think that a subset of SW fans are of the toxic variety? ABSOLUTELY. Every fandom has them. Do I think that the majority of Star wars fans who discuss SW online and elsewhere are of that variety? No, I don't. Even a little bit. Do I think that such a "toxic" portion of the fanbase is being taken into account by Hollywood heavy hitters who have been offered the job os Star Wars? No. I think that Star Wars was ALREADY a daunting franchise to "command" BEFORE the Disney buyout....and after 4 movies of behind the scenes strife and a riven fanbase...it's got to be even more daunting for anyone to take on.
This post has been edited by QuickTidal: 26 June 2018 - 01:49 PM
"When the last tree has fallen, and the rivers are poisoned, you cannot eat money, oh no." ~Aurora
“Someone will always try to sell you despair, just so they don't feel alone.” ~Ursula Vernon
“Someone will always try to sell you despair, just so they don't feel alone.” ~Ursula Vernon
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Posted 26 June 2018 - 02:45 PM
QuickTidal, on 26 June 2018 - 01:36 PM, said:
Do I think that a subset of SW fans are of the toxic variety? ABSOLUTELY. Every fandom has them. Do I think that the majority of Star wars fans who discuss SW online and elsewhere are of that variety? No, I don't. Even a little bit. Do I think that such a "toxic" portion of the fanbase is being taken into account by Hollywood heavy hitters who have been offered the job os Star Wars? No. I think that Star Wars was ALREADY a daunting franchise to "command" BEFORE the Disney buyout....and after 4 movies of behind the scenes strife and a riven fanbase...it's got to be even more daunting for anyone to take on.
I think all of that is now pretty key - regardless of how we've ended up here, SW is such a poisoned chalice now to take on as lead. I actually feel sorry for the people who are going to have to try and salvage Episode IX from this mess, because I don't think it's necessarily that workable.
I haven't seen Solo, but on the strength of Rogue One I think it's a real shame that they're dropping the anthology films - more films like RO would have been most welcome.
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Posted 26 June 2018 - 02:57 PM
Agreed, and ROGUE ONE is easily my favourite of the films Disney has done with the franchise.
And I think you might like SOLO, I found it quite entertaining.
But yeah, how do you right the ship now and please ENOUGH people (you'll never please all of them) to push SW into the same territory as franchises like F&F, MCU, HP, ect.? I don't think it's an enviable job at all.
And I think you might like SOLO, I found it quite entertaining.
But yeah, how do you right the ship now and please ENOUGH people (you'll never please all of them) to push SW into the same territory as franchises like F&F, MCU, HP, ect.? I don't think it's an enviable job at all.
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Posted 26 June 2018 - 05:24 PM
QuickTidal, on 26 June 2018 - 01:36 PM, said:
To elaborate on what BK said.
The latest scuttle from some insiders is that there was a BIG super secret conference call (one in which security guards stood outside the door so no one could eavesdrop) between Disney and Lucasfilm (with Pixar and Marvel Studios suits listening in...not sure why that would be...perhaps to give advice later on to Iger or Horn?) and KK's time is effectively up and she and her "loyalists" (not my word) would have been shown the door already if they could get someone who was willing to replace her. Apparently they've asked a few people so far, all of whom have said no (this included, to my surprise, JJ Abrams himself who gave a flat "no") as they don't feel like boarding a ship heading into (if not already in) dire straits and steering it out (I'l freely admit that's a HUGE job). The other thing that came out of this call was that JJ was hired for IX OVER KK's head by Iger. That she and JJ don't even speak (their relationship during TFA was apparently quite strained), and his hiring for IX by Iger is basically a middle finger to KK's decisions.
Also, was reading a young woman who is in PR and she's very clear that Lucasfilm has been running a PR game since TLJ came out to try to paint things not as they are to avoid the flames. Like the whole drive to show that only white man babies who don't like females or POC are the ones that didn't like TLJ and don't want it to succeed based on that. But she correctly points out that ROGUE ONE was a SUPER success, critically, monetarily, and with fans (apparently even moreso than LFL and Disney expected) and it features the most diverse cast in Star Wars history, and also features a female lead. And the movie that DIDN'T succeed, (SOLO), was lead by a white man. So she's pointing out that if the spin that they are trying to drive is "racist sexists" are the only people complaining, is tone deaf at best and blatantly incorrect at worst. The last thing she notes from a PR angle is that these are VERY relevant and time honoured PR tactics that companies constantly use to avert the gaze from the real issues (whatever those may be) so that they can save public face....but the thing they weren't counting on was that the fanbase that they are essentially alienating is SO large (if not the FIRST fandom, then one OF the first fandoms) that it doesn't work. It's not a cover-up-able thing with fans in the millions all trying to get down to why the IP is starting to flounder creatively.
Anyways, my hope is that they move Dave Filoni into the creative Kevin Feige-like role of top down oversight of the franchise. He lives and breathes Star Wars and is GL's protege, and his whole life till now has kinda been leading to this (what with Exec Oversight of TCW and REBELS). It SOUNDS like KK is out...and to be honest, I would imagine that means her closer advisors are probably going with her. The rumour from the above scuttle is that the division in Lucasfilm is palpable, and untenable.
I just want Star Wars to have a cohesive narrative path going forwards.
And Worry, "toxic fandom" is a strain of the same PR game. Highlighting the bad eggs and blowing them out of proportion to encompass more of fandom than they actually do. This is a proven studio tactic in fact. When the trailer for Ghostbusters 2016 came out, it was massively down voted and the various complaints about it ranged from the "toxic" subset to much more level dislike to complex takedowns...and Sony (who ONLY allowed their YouTube page to host the trailer, clever that) who knew they might have a bad film on their hands and a bad response by their potential audience...DELETED any and all negative comments that were in any ways reasonable, and only left up the positive comments and (and here is the insidious part) the sexist and racist ones. So that they could point at that and go "See! It's just racist sexist's who don't want this movie to exist!"....and they ran with that narrative directly to the mainstream media. who bought it hook, line, and sinker...and it wasn't till a few days later that it YouTubers showed up with the receipts of what really occurred. Screenshots of the YT Sony trailer page filled with much more reasoned negative comments that had been deleted over the course of two days...because they didn't play to the narrative Sony's PR department was running.
Do I think that a subset of SW fans are of the toxic variety? ABSOLUTELY. Every fandom has them. Do I think that the majority of Star wars fans who discuss SW online and elsewhere are of that variety? No, I don't. Even a little bit. Do I think that such a "toxic" portion of the fanbase is being taken into account by Hollywood heavy hitters who have been offered the job os Star Wars? No. I think that Star Wars was ALREADY a daunting franchise to "command" BEFORE the Disney buyout....and after 4 movies of behind the scenes strife and a riven fanbase...it's got to be even more daunting for anyone to take on.
The latest scuttle from some insiders is that there was a BIG super secret conference call (one in which security guards stood outside the door so no one could eavesdrop) between Disney and Lucasfilm (with Pixar and Marvel Studios suits listening in...not sure why that would be...perhaps to give advice later on to Iger or Horn?) and KK's time is effectively up and she and her "loyalists" (not my word) would have been shown the door already if they could get someone who was willing to replace her. Apparently they've asked a few people so far, all of whom have said no (this included, to my surprise, JJ Abrams himself who gave a flat "no") as they don't feel like boarding a ship heading into (if not already in) dire straits and steering it out (I'l freely admit that's a HUGE job). The other thing that came out of this call was that JJ was hired for IX OVER KK's head by Iger. That she and JJ don't even speak (their relationship during TFA was apparently quite strained), and his hiring for IX by Iger is basically a middle finger to KK's decisions.
Also, was reading a young woman who is in PR and she's very clear that Lucasfilm has been running a PR game since TLJ came out to try to paint things not as they are to avoid the flames. Like the whole drive to show that only white man babies who don't like females or POC are the ones that didn't like TLJ and don't want it to succeed based on that. But she correctly points out that ROGUE ONE was a SUPER success, critically, monetarily, and with fans (apparently even moreso than LFL and Disney expected) and it features the most diverse cast in Star Wars history, and also features a female lead. And the movie that DIDN'T succeed, (SOLO), was lead by a white man. So she's pointing out that if the spin that they are trying to drive is "racist sexists" are the only people complaining, is tone deaf at best and blatantly incorrect at worst. The last thing she notes from a PR angle is that these are VERY relevant and time honoured PR tactics that companies constantly use to avert the gaze from the real issues (whatever those may be) so that they can save public face....but the thing they weren't counting on was that the fanbase that they are essentially alienating is SO large (if not the FIRST fandom, then one OF the first fandoms) that it doesn't work. It's not a cover-up-able thing with fans in the millions all trying to get down to why the IP is starting to flounder creatively.
Anyways, my hope is that they move Dave Filoni into the creative Kevin Feige-like role of top down oversight of the franchise. He lives and breathes Star Wars and is GL's protege, and his whole life till now has kinda been leading to this (what with Exec Oversight of TCW and REBELS). It SOUNDS like KK is out...and to be honest, I would imagine that means her closer advisors are probably going with her. The rumour from the above scuttle is that the division in Lucasfilm is palpable, and untenable.
I just want Star Wars to have a cohesive narrative path going forwards.
And Worry, "toxic fandom" is a strain of the same PR game. Highlighting the bad eggs and blowing them out of proportion to encompass more of fandom than they actually do. This is a proven studio tactic in fact. When the trailer for Ghostbusters 2016 came out, it was massively down voted and the various complaints about it ranged from the "toxic" subset to much more level dislike to complex takedowns...and Sony (who ONLY allowed their YouTube page to host the trailer, clever that) who knew they might have a bad film on their hands and a bad response by their potential audience...DELETED any and all negative comments that were in any ways reasonable, and only left up the positive comments and (and here is the insidious part) the sexist and racist ones. So that they could point at that and go "See! It's just racist sexist's who don't want this movie to exist!"....and they ran with that narrative directly to the mainstream media. who bought it hook, line, and sinker...and it wasn't till a few days later that it YouTubers showed up with the receipts of what really occurred. Screenshots of the YT Sony trailer page filled with much more reasoned negative comments that had been deleted over the course of two days...because they didn't play to the narrative Sony's PR department was running.
Do I think that a subset of SW fans are of the toxic variety? ABSOLUTELY. Every fandom has them. Do I think that the majority of Star wars fans who discuss SW online and elsewhere are of that variety? No, I don't. Even a little bit. Do I think that such a "toxic" portion of the fanbase is being taken into account by Hollywood heavy hitters who have been offered the job os Star Wars? No. I think that Star Wars was ALREADY a daunting franchise to "command" BEFORE the Disney buyout....and after 4 movies of behind the scenes strife and a riven fanbase...it's got to be even more daunting for anyone to take on.
I just hope Filoni doesn't get caught up in the wake of whatever happens to KK! However, if he were moved in to replace her, that would be a huge step in the right direction.
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Posted 26 June 2018 - 05:30 PM
And as I've stated before, I'm not at all against KK running LFL from the financial side. She's been a solid producer for decades...but the company needs a creative head with a plan...and I think she's not it.
But yeah, Filoni being put in charge would be a boon to the brand. The people who know him seem to like him, and his TV shows have pretty universally been enjoyed by all Star Wars fans.
But yeah, Filoni being put in charge would be a boon to the brand. The people who know him seem to like him, and his TV shows have pretty universally been enjoyed by all Star Wars fans.
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Posted 26 June 2018 - 11:03 PM
I am the Bachelorette, on 26 June 2018 - 07:56 PM, said:
I’m gonna go against that choice if I had a say. I like him way to much to potentially have him thrown under the same bus KK is being run over with right now. One day sure but that day isn’t today.
That’s A VERY fair point. It’s going to be hard to right this ship
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I am the Bachelorette, on 27 June 2018 - 04:12 AM, said:
Something to consider if he did take over. What would happen with his stellar shows? He has done a great fucking job and I want more mileage out of this side of him. I’m unsure it would be appropriate (though if he is the boss there would be nothing saying he couldn’t directly still deal with this stuff) for him to do still? Yes he could bring that greatness then to all things SW calling the shots sure but if it goes wrong still that’d be quite the blow I feel and I don’t want him in that situation. Few yrs from now after an actual movie under his belt(more mileage!) and then fuck yes I’m all for him.
For now maybe Pablo? I’m unsure if he has the head honcho ability but I wouldn’t feel for him on near the same lvl as Dave if it went sour. Pablo for sure has the SW smarts. I’d still feel bad don’t get me wrong but as I said not near as close on the scale as I would for Dave!
Better yet I wouldn’t mind either an unknown(with an obv SW love/smarts and the proper credentials) fuck it take a chance and put an open job offer out or temp position from someone from Marvel.
For now maybe Pablo? I’m unsure if he has the head honcho ability but I wouldn’t feel for him on near the same lvl as Dave if it went sour. Pablo for sure has the SW smarts. I’d still feel bad don’t get me wrong but as I said not near as close on the scale as I would for Dave!
Better yet I wouldn’t mind either an unknown(with an obv SW love/smarts and the proper credentials) fuck it take a chance and put an open job offer out or temp position from someone from Marvel.
No, Pablo is WAY too set in his ways, and he and Rian are chummy chummy...nopers. I don't want the 'canon librarian' who spends his days drawing G1 Transformers, in charge of something so large and supposedly malleable.
I'm actually sure there are others out there who could take charge...but Dave is my go-to pick.
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