[Andorion]

polishgenius, on 30 December 2015 - 04:09 PM, said:

amphibian, on 30 December 2015 - 03:54 PM, said:

LinearPhilosopher, on 30 December 2015 - 11:39 AM, said:

i can get behind this, getting tired of having to repeat the same things over and over again.

Which is why many pages back, I asked the question of "Why aren't the Death Stars or Star Destroyers droids too?"

Let us explore consciousness within Star Wars.

Because when you're a society based around the enslavement of what are pretty clearly sentient beings, you're better off not handing those beings the really big guns.

Nice idea! judging from R2 and BB8 I would say AI has progressed a lot. Are the Clone Wars cartoon series canon? Droids had charge of ships there.

I think AI could at least be partially implemented in ships i.e. it would make possible greater automation while ensuring a human/sentient living supervisory element.

Might actually make the death stars harder to blow up

[LinearPhilosopher]

amphibian, on 30 December 2015 - 03:54 PM, said:

LinearPhilosopher, on 30 December 2015 - 11:39 AM, said:

i can get behind this, getting tired of having to repeat the same things over and over again.

Which is why many pages back, I asked the question of "Why aren't the Death Stars or Star Destroyers droids too?"

Let us explore consciousness within Star Wars.

short answer:Personhood of robots (post humanism is the term i've read for it) is a bit of a high brow subject for a hollywood blockbuster hit. Especially when in the movies only deal with a binary view of morality (and before everyone jumps down my throat, yes im aware of the existence of grey jedi. However none of the movies feature grey jedis so it's not what i'm talking about)

Long answer: There's obviously some sort of AI going on. Remember the sweeper droids? (small black things that roll around) but it's obviously shackled because you don't want robots going wild and murdering people everywhere (which im pretty sure has occured, just not at the level in frank hebert's dune series). Also the empire came from the republic which had a very nasty history with fighting droids. So because of the stygma around droids thats likely why the empire relies on flesh and blood. (that and clones were usually made out to be inferior to clones, at least from what i've come acrosss). Not that it couldn't be done i mean look at this guy

[Illuyankas]

amphibian, on 30 December 2015 - 03:54 PM, said:

LinearPhilosopher, on 30 December 2015 - 11:39 AM, said:

i can get behind this, getting tired of having to repeat the same things over and over again.

Which is why many pages back, I asked the question of "Why aren't the Death Stars or Star Destroyers droids too?"

Let us explore consciousness within Star Wars.

There was an EU story where the droid assassin from that scene with Boba Fett and the other bounty hunters manages to secretly put his consciousness into the second Death Star AND IS SECRETLY ABOUT TO TAKE OVER THE GALAXY but at the very exact definite moment his dastardly plan is about to succeed the Death Star explodes.

There are people in this world who will tell you with a straight face that the EU is worth reading.

[LinearPhilosopher]

Illuyankas, on 30 December 2015 - 08:22 PM, said:

amphibian, on 30 December 2015 - 03:54 PM, said:

LinearPhilosopher, on 30 December 2015 - 11:39 AM, said:

i can get behind this, getting tired of having to repeat the same things over and over again.

Which is why many pages back, I asked the question of "Why aren't the Death Stars or Star Destroyers droids too?"

Let us explore consciousness within Star Wars.

There was an EU story where the droid assassin from that scene with Boba Fett and the other bounty hunters manages to secretly put his consciousness into the second Death Star AND IS SECRETLY ABOUT TO TAKE OVER THE GALAXY but at the very exact definite moment his dastardly plan is about to succeed the Death Star explodes.

There are people in this world who will tell you with a straight face that the EU is worth reading.

Is the EU sanctioned in any way shape or form? Like can i just take the SW IP and write a bunch of stories, get published and be considered part of the EU

[worry]

You can. For instance I wrote a companion novella called The Force Asleepens about what happens to the galaxy at night.

[LinearPhilosopher]

worry, on 30 December 2015 - 09:29 PM, said:

You can. For instance I wrote a companion novella called The Force Asleepens about what happens to the galaxy at night.

what a twist

[worry]

I dunno. It's pretty dark.

[Gorefest]

Woo! Saw it tonight for the first time, IMAX 3D. Such a blast! What an awesome film with a great SW feel to it, nothing like the horribly jangly prequels. Proper epic fun. Loved every minute of it!
Having said that,

Spoiler

I read some of the previous comments here and, without wanting to mix too fully in the discussion (as I'd rather just enjoy the fuzzy bounciness of this 7th enstallment): Kylo Ren was badly injured by Chewie's shot and he hadn't in the least expected to be facing someone adept (though untrained) in the Force. Finn being able to use the light sabre was a bit much, but I personally didn't have any issues with Rey Besting Ren. He's hurt, he just killed his own dad, he had to deal with one other opponent already, and Rey is wicked with a polearm, so surely won't be a total dunce with a glowing energy stick. Just my two pence.

It didn't spoil my enjoyment, anyway. Shame it did for others. I guess 30 years is a long time to build expectations.

[Andorion]

Illuyankas, on 30 December 2015 - 08:22 PM, said:

amphibian, on 30 December 2015 - 03:54 PM, said:

LinearPhilosopher, on 30 December 2015 - 11:39 AM, said:

i can get behind this, getting tired of having to repeat the same things over and over again.

Which is why many pages back, I asked the question of "Why aren't the Death Stars or Star Destroyers droids too?"

Let us explore consciousness within Star Wars.

There was an EU story where the droid assassin from that scene with Boba Fett and the other bounty hunters manages to secretly put his consciousness into the second Death Star AND IS SECRETLY ABOUT TO TAKE OVER THE GALAXY but at the very exact definite moment his dastardly plan is about to succeed the Death Star explodes.

There are people in this world who will tell you with a straight face that the EU is worth reading.

So not even a powerful machine intelligence on the verge of galactic domination can stop a Death Star from being blown up? Sigh....

[Mezla PigDog]

I saw it! Loved it but boy did they play safe. My only comment is that in the car on the way home I said

Spoiler

I can't believe we now live in a world where Han Solo is dead.

[Gorefest]

We don't, it's a galaxy far, far away.

[Nevyn]

Gorefest, on 31 December 2015 - 04:32 PM, said:

We don't, it's a galaxy far, far away.

So ................... ANY galaxy except this one?

They are all far far away. Although JJ Abrams could get there instantaneously through hyperspace.

[Andorion]

Nevyn, on 31 December 2015 - 06:12 PM, said:

Gorefest, on 31 December 2015 - 04:32 PM, said:

We don't, it's a galaxy far, far away.

So ................... ANY galaxy except this one?

They are all far far away. Although JJ Abrams could get there instantaneously through hyperspace.

Andromeda!! Its the only logical solution. Andromeda is on a long term collision course with the Milky Way. That's why each movie starts with the line

"A long long time ago in a galaxy far far way"

These stories are from before. The force conflict ends when the two galaxies collide and everyone dies.

[iso9001]

Andorion, on 31 December 2015 - 06:22 PM, said:

Nevyn, on 31 December 2015 - 06:12 PM, said:

Gorefest, on 31 December 2015 - 04:32 PM, said:

We don't, it's a galaxy far, far away.

So ................... ANY galaxy except this one?

They are all far far away. Although JJ Abrams could get there instantaneously through hyperspace.

Andromeda!! Its the only logical solution. Andromeda is on a long term collision course with the Milky Way. That's why each movie starts with the line

"A long long time ago in a galaxy far far way"

These stories are from before. The force conflict ends when the two galaxies collide and everyone dies.

I read somewhere that the collision is not an actual collision but more like a merge since the distance between stars and planets are vast

[Andorion]

iso9001, on 31 December 2015 - 11:53 PM, said:

Andorion, on 31 December 2015 - 06:22 PM, said:

Nevyn, on 31 December 2015 - 06:12 PM, said:

Gorefest, on 31 December 2015 - 04:32 PM, said:

We don't, it's a galaxy far, far away.

So ................... ANY galaxy except this one?

They are all far far away. Although JJ Abrams could get there instantaneously through hyperspace.

Andromeda!! Its the only logical solution. Andromeda is on a long term collision course with the Milky Way. That's why each movie starts with the line

"A long long time ago in a galaxy far far way"

These stories are from before. The force conflict ends when the two galaxies collide and everyone dies.

I read somewhere that the collision is not an actual collision but more like a merge since the distance between stars and planets are vast

Unless of course your particular planet gets brushed a bit too close by a new comet.

[champ]

http://m.uk.ign.com/...ending-and-more

New details to get your teeth in to...

Cannot quote as on my phone but it adds to the discussion here. Very interesting points brought up.

[worry]

Not to beat a dead horse, but the official TFA Monopoly has left out Rey as a playable character in favor of Luke and even Vader (Ren and Finn are both there too, but they make sense). In case you needed another hole through the "they're just avoiding spoilers" nonsense.

[Abyss]

Saw it, enjoyed it lots.I could nitpick a few things but meh, too much fun to dwell on the nits.

[QuickTidal]

worry, on 05 January 2016 - 06:45 AM, said:

Not to beat a dead horse, but the official TFA Monopoly has left out Rey as a playable character in favor of Luke and even Vader (Ren and Finn are both there too, but they make sense). In case you needed another hole through the "they're just avoiding spoilers" nonsense.

I saw that. What a wonky miss. Who does Monopoly? Hasbro again? Gods, what's wrong with them? There's no excuse for leaving her out of a monopoly set. And yeah at this point they can't call out spoilers as a reason.

On a slightly nicer note, I was in the toys r us the other day and saw a bunch of Black Series Rey figures. Which was cool. I know that people think that they made less of her figure and that's what is wrong with kids not being able to find her...but the guy at toys r us said he gets the same amount of each black series item, they just sell differently. Rey just happened to be more popuar than Finn (who's figure you can easily find in any given store).

[Slow Ben]

Thought it was good, not great.

The same criticisms i had have already been discussed here at length so i wont get into it, But I really enjoyed the new characters, probably the best part of the movie for me. On the other hand, the portrayal of the older characters bothered me the most, especially Solo.


But i need to watch it again.