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 QuickTidal, on 21 October 2015 - 04:30 PM, said:

 D, on 21 October 2015 - 03:40 PM, said:

 QuickTidal, on 21 October 2015 - 02:25 PM, said:

Moreover, Lawrence Kasdan always expressed an interest in the idea that Fett became a mantle worn by different people (like the Dread Pirate Roberts in THE PRINCESS BRIDE) and has not always been that of the original Boba Fett (Jango's son and unaltered clone).

Wasn't Boba Fett also Mandalore? So the shifting-identity leader of the Mandalorians is itself a shifting identity...?

Technically Boba Fett adopted Mandalorian armor from his "father/clone batch" Jango (who WAS a Mandalorian; though Mandalore is a planet and culture not a species... they are still human). Boba was born/created on Kamino by the Kaminoan Cloners. He never lead any Manadalorians, and merely used the armor to honour his father, and strike fear into the hearts of his enemies with gear of Super Commandos/Death Watch. He never lead the actual Manadalorians in any way.

Sidebar Canon info: Darth Maul (post-The Phantom Menace; he was brought back in THE CLONE WARS tv series with robotic legs) was the last person to hold power over Mandalore, he and his brother Savage Opress lead the Death Watch commandos in a coup on Mandalore to unseat the ruling house. Darth Sidious/Emperor Palpatine came to Mandalore after that and took out Opress, and subdued Maul...which beghins the Imperial domination of the planet and the scattering of the Mandalorian culture.

I was sure I was remembering it at least somewhat right... so I looked it up and turns out he becomes Mandalore after the original trilogy:

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With the rise of the Galactic Empire in 19 BBY and the Imperial occupation of Mandalore, Fenn Shysa was pressed to ascend to the role of Mand'alor as part of a covert campaign to force the Empire off the Mandalorian homeworld.[5] Under Shysa's leadership, the Mandalorians won their freedom from the Empire, driving the Imperial forces off of Mandalore,[10] and with the Mand'alor's guidance, the Mandalorians flourished. Even still, Shysa's past came back to haunt him years later, when Jango Fett's clone son, Boba Fett, was hired to kill Shysa in revenge for his actions during the Clone Wars. Tracking the Mand'alor to the planet Shogun, Fett succeeded in killing the Mandalorian leader,[1] but not as he had planned—coming under attack from the Sevvets, Shysa was mortally wounded after saving Fett's life. With Shysa unable to flee and Fett unwilling to leave the Mandalorian leader to a death at the hands of the Sevvets, Fett killed the Mand'alor as an act of mercy, but not before agreeing to Shysa's dying wish: Fett was to take Shysa's place as Mand'alor.[1][10] True to his word, Fett became the new Mandalorian leader,[10] and led the Mandalorians during the chaos of the extragalactic Yuuzhan Vong's invasion of the galaxy, first as the Vong's false allies while gaining intelligence on the strange new foes,[6] then as the open enemies of the alien invaders.[1] In the aftermath of the Yuuzhan Vong war, the restoration of Mandalore fell upon Fett's shoulders: the Mand'alor recalled millions of Mandalorians from around the galaxy to recoup the severe population loss incurred during the Vong attack on Mandalore, donated his own personal funds to the recovery effort, negotiated a trade treaty with the technologically gifted Verpine, and presided over the find of a new beskar iron ore lode, allocating the profits from the sale and manufacturing prospects of the metal for the betterment of Mandalore.[13] Fett's prior relationship with Imperial Admiral Natasi Daala,[10] elected Chief of State of the Galactic Alliance in 41 ABY,[32] helped to establish a working relationship between the Mandalorians and the galactic government.[33][7]

http://starwars.wiki...ore_%28title%29

[QuickTidal]

 D, on 21 October 2015 - 05:35 PM, said:

 QuickTidal, on 21 October 2015 - 04:30 PM, said:

 D, on 21 October 2015 - 03:40 PM, said:

 QuickTidal, on 21 October 2015 - 02:25 PM, said:

Moreover, Lawrence Kasdan always expressed an interest in the idea that Fett became a mantle worn by different people (like the Dread Pirate Roberts in THE PRINCESS BRIDE) and has not always been that of the original Boba Fett (Jango's son and unaltered clone).

Wasn't Boba Fett also Mandalore? So the shifting-identity leader of the Mandalorians is itself a shifting identity...?

Technically Boba Fett adopted Mandalorian armor from his "father/clone batch" Jango (who WAS a Mandalorian; though Mandalore is a planet and culture not a species... they are still human). Boba was born/created on Kamino by the Kaminoan Cloners. He never lead any Manadalorians, and merely used the armor to honour his father, and strike fear into the hearts of his enemies with gear of Super Commandos/Death Watch. He never lead the actual Manadalorians in any way.

Sidebar Canon info: Darth Maul (post-The Phantom Menace; he was brought back in THE CLONE WARS tv series with robotic legs) was the last person to hold power over Mandalore, he and his brother Savage Opress lead the Death Watch commandos in a coup on Mandalore to unseat the ruling house. Darth Sidious/Emperor Palpatine came to Mandalore after that and took out Opress, and subdued Maul...which beghins the Imperial domination of the planet and the scattering of the Mandalorian culture.

I was sure I was remembering it at least somewhat right... so I looked it up and turns out he becomes Mandalore after the original trilogy:

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With the rise of the Galactic Empire in 19 BBY and the Imperial occupation of Mandalore, Fenn Shysa was pressed to ascend to the role of Mand'alor as part of a covert campaign to force the Empire off the Mandalorian homeworld.[5] Under Shysa's leadership, the Mandalorians won their freedom from the Empire, driving the Imperial forces off of Mandalore,[10] and with the Mand'alor's guidance, the Mandalorians flourished. Even still, Shysa's past came back to haunt him years later, when Jango Fett's clone son, Boba Fett, was hired to kill Shysa in revenge for his actions during the Clone Wars. Tracking the Mand'alor to the planet Shogun, Fett succeeded in killing the Mandalorian leader,[1] but not as he had planned—coming under attack from the Sevvets, Shysa was mortally wounded after saving Fett's life. With Shysa unable to flee and Fett unwilling to leave the Mandalorian leader to a death at the hands of the Sevvets, Fett killed the Mand'alor as an act of mercy, but not before agreeing to Shysa's dying wish: Fett was to take Shysa's place as Mand'alor.[1][10] True to his word, Fett became the new Mandalorian leader,[10] and led the Mandalorians during the chaos of the extragalactic Yuuzhan Vong's invasion of the galaxy, first as the Vong's false allies while gaining intelligence on the strange new foes,[6] then as the open enemies of the alien invaders.[1] In the aftermath of the Yuuzhan Vong war, the restoration of Mandalore fell upon Fett's shoulders: the Mand'alor recalled millions of Mandalorians from around the galaxy to recoup the severe population loss incurred during the Vong attack on Mandalore, donated his own personal funds to the recovery effort, negotiated a trade treaty with the technologically gifted Verpine, and presided over the find of a new beskar iron ore lode, allocating the profits from the sale and manufacturing prospects of the metal for the betterment of Mandalore.[13] Fett's prior relationship with Imperial Admiral Natasi Daala,[10] elected Chief of State of the Galactic Alliance in 41 ABY,[32] helped to establish a working relationship between the Mandalorians and the galactic government.[33][7]

http://starwars.wiki...ore_%28title%29

Indeed. But that's no longer canon. Fett's story begins in the Clone Wars prior to ROTS, and the bits from the OT. That's it as it stands right now. All the rest of that stuff is no longer accurate.

This post has been edited by QuickTidal: 21 October 2015 - 05:51 PM

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 QuickTidal, on 21 October 2015 - 05:50 PM, said:

Indeed. But that's no longer canon. Fett's story begins in the Clone Wars prior to ROTS, and the bits from the OT. That's it as it stands right now. All the rest of that stuff is no longer accurate.

Of course. But Kasdan's comments are from before the NuCanon, too, right? I was commenting on Kasdan's comments in the context of when his comments were made.

[Morgoth]

I thought the Star Wars discussions would be better now that EU is gone.

[amphibian]

The Star Wars discussions will never be particularly good. The universe has mediocrity baked into it from the get go.

[Serenity]

Music-only version of the trailer:

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=Ci0C8ggQWys

[QuickTidal]

 D, on 21 October 2015 - 06:09 PM, said:

 QuickTidal, on 21 October 2015 - 05:50 PM, said:

Indeed. But that's no longer canon. Fett's story begins in the Clone Wars prior to ROTS, and the bits from the OT. That's it as it stands right now. All the rest of that stuff is no longer accurate.

Of course. But Kasdan's comments are from before the NuCanon, too, right? I was commenting on Kasdan's comments in the context of when his comments were made.

They were brought back up when he and JJ were writing the new one.

[HoosierDaddy]

 amphibian, on 21 October 2015 - 07:53 PM, said:

The Star Wars discussions will never be particularly good. The universe has mediocrity baked into it from the get go.

Boooooooooooooooooooo! Booooooooooooooooooooooooo!

Boo you!

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 QuickTidal, on 21 October 2015 - 11:25 PM, said:

 D, on 21 October 2015 - 06:09 PM, said:

 QuickTidal, on 21 October 2015 - 05:50 PM, said:

Indeed. But that's no longer canon. Fett's story begins in the Clone Wars prior to ROTS, and the bits from the OT. That's it as it stands right now. All the rest of that stuff is no longer accurate.

Of course. But Kasdan's comments are from before the NuCanon, too, right? I was commenting on Kasdan's comments in the context of when his comments were made.

They were brought back up when he and JJ were writing the new one.

Well in any case I was trying to just make a little joke with what little I know about Star Wars and instead it became a serious and unfunny conversation. Shrug!

[HoosierDaddy]

A.... few.

[Brujah]

A few more than the guy above.....

[Brujah]

 QuickTidal, on 20 October 2015 - 01:29 PM, said:

Basically, I can't wait. Like really, really can't wait.

This^

[Traveller]

Er.. a few. I sort of keep having a peek when I get a moment.

I'm hoping Kylo isn't Luke, or that Luke has gone dark.

[worry]

I doubt Luke has gone Dark, but I do like the idea of him in absentia. Not in hiding per se, but dealing and developing. I think Vader's legacy, including his death, necessarily lives on in both sides in this movie. There just has to be an element of aftermath, and it makes sense that Luke feels it the most on a personal level. I dunno how that squares with the end of RotJ though.

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 worry, on 22 October 2015 - 07:29 AM, said:

I doubt Luke has gone Dark, but I do like the idea of him in absentia. Not in hiding per se, but dealing and developing. I think Vader's legacy, including his death, necessarily lives on in both sides in this movie. There just has to be an element of aftermath, and it makes sense that Luke feels it the most on a personal level. I dunno how that squares with the end of RotJ though.

I hope he hasn't gone dark because there wouldn't really be any reason for that other than a cheap story gimmick. It's a big fucking galaxy, I'm sure there are other dark side users out there that not even palps and vader knew about.

No, Luke going dark side at this point is just bad story telling...coughcoughcoughdarkempirecoughcoughcough! Not a good story!

[Serenity]

I reckon Luke's living in a little hut on Dagobah.

[QuickTidal]

 D, on 22 October 2015 - 02:46 AM, said:

 QuickTidal, on 21 October 2015 - 11:25 PM, said:

 D, on 21 October 2015 - 06:09 PM, said:

 QuickTidal, on 21 October 2015 - 05:50 PM, said:

Indeed. But that's no longer canon. Fett's story begins in the Clone Wars prior to ROTS, and the bits from the OT. That's it as it stands right now. All the rest of that stuff is no longer accurate.

Of course. But Kasdan's comments are from before the NuCanon, too, right? I was commenting on Kasdan's comments in the context of when his comments were made.

They were brought back up when he and JJ were writing the new one.

Well in any case I was trying to just make a little joke with what little I know about Star Wars and instead it became a serious and unfunny conversation. Shrug!

Wait, that was a joke? Oh man, I did not get that. Sorry. My nerdyness took over. I should not be that obtuse.

[QuickTidal]

 Traveller, on 22 October 2015 - 06:21 AM, said:

Er.. a few. I sort of keep having a peek when I get a moment.

I'm hoping Kylo isn't Luke, or that Luke has gone dark.

Kylo has been shown in the Vanity Fair spread with his mask off, and it's Adam Driver...and his mask is off in the newest trailer at the very end as he faces off against Finn in the forest...you can see his long dark hair fom behind.

Not to worry, he isn't Luke. The leaked pic of Luke from the set has him in brown and beige Jedi robes.

This post has been edited by QuickTidal: 22 October 2015 - 10:06 AM

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 worry, on 22 October 2015 - 07:29 AM, said:

I doubt Luke has gone Dark, but I do like the idea of him in absentia. Not in hiding per se, but dealing and developing. I think Vader's legacy, including his death, necessarily lives on in both sides in this movie. There just has to be an element of aftermath, and it makes sense that Luke feels it the most on a personal level. I dunno how that squares with the end of RotJ though.

That is it exactly. And it's a lovely character progression for the new canon to take.

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 D, on 21 October 2015 - 03:40 PM, said:

 QuickTidal, on 21 October 2015 - 02:25 PM, said:

Moreover, Lawrence Kasdan always expressed an interest in the idea that Fett became a mantle worn by different people (like the Dread Pirate Roberts in THE PRINCESS BRIDE) and has not always been that of the original Boba Fett (Jango's son and unaltered clone).

Wasn't Boba Fett also Mandalore? So the shifting-identity leader of the Mandalorians is itself a shifting identity...?

Credence - as per KOTOR/2, Mandalore was a title taken on by whoever was leading the Mandalorians. Granted, KOTOR is now non-canon because Disney, but that's not to say that they've kept some of the ideas - as far as I remember, during IV/V/VI, Mandalorians were extinct, but it was a belief system as opposed to an actual race as far as I could see, it's not infeasible that they could come back.

If it does in fact though turn out to be Boba himself, brix will be shat by millions of nerds.