[Olar Ethil]

Meanas, on 23 October 2012 - 08:55 AM, said:

@OE

I'm not sure. I just re-read your first "poetry" posts, and it seems relatively apparent that you're quoting from memory and not "getting" them from anywhere except your brain.
It could be suspicious as you say. He was making fun of Spite's haiku and my limericks, too. but he only asked you about yours (asking all three of us would have been REALLY suspicious).

The first few are from my memory. The others are some that I have found. Not going to say where. The point is he asked for the location. You make a good point, if every posts in our own unusual way it would be hard for the FM's to mimic us. Spelling, punctuation, certain phrases and words. It'll be difficult for them so he wants us to tone it down. It makes him stand out a little.

[Osseric]

here and reading up

[Galain]

Olar Ethil, on 23 October 2012 - 09:10 AM, said:

Meanas, on 23 October 2012 - 08:55 AM, said:

@OE

I'm not sure. I just re-read your first "poetry" posts, and it seems relatively apparent that you're quoting from memory and not "getting" them from anywhere except your brain.
It could be suspicious as you say. He was making fun of Spite's haiku and my limericks, too. but he only asked you about yours (asking all three of us would have been REALLY suspicious).

The first few are from my memory. The others are some that I have found. Not going to say where. The point is he asked for the location. You make a good point, if every posts in our own unusual way it would be hard for the FM's to mimic us. Spelling, punctuation, certain phrases and words. It'll be difficult for them so he wants us to tone it down. It makes him stand out a little.

it's a nice thought, but no. you went into great detail explaining the children's game behind your poetry, unlike the other poems which were farces on a set genre. plus, accusing me of trying to copy cat you is odd since the name of the game for a FM is survival. choosing your persona, even early on, is suicide for a FM.

so the question is, why are you honing on me? trying to get a feel for my style? a FM may need to lie low, but if it fails a jump, it most certainly does not want to be a target.

[Osseric]

So far lots and lots of spam, its an FM so I understand, but some of the poetry made my eyes bleed.

I wonder what the limit of players per alt is, and how would we figure out how many people are in one alt? a huge amount of crazy posting in several seperate stlyes by one alt?

[Galain]

i feel like we have at least two different personas permeating the game so far.

we have the quick posters who give a token post or two that looks townie ("bet half of you are signaling" "i am here for a couple of hours...being back if anything interesting happens" "shall the sexing commence") and who then drop off the thread or grace it with a quick remark or question here and there.

then we have the complex posters who create poetry, banter, etc there are far less of these around and most of the posts can be accounted for by players like oe and meanas

for day 1, we are trying to guess how a FM would act de novo. for every other day, we are trying to figure out who has changed and of the 3 or more FM, we can lynch only one. we may have a town killer who can help or may have a guard who can stop a jump and thus open a FM to dead by another FM. i doubt we have a healer (can't stop a jump) or a finder (moving targets make a finder much less helpful if not irrelevant).

so day 1. i think our FM may actually be in our higher posters, particularly an aggressive one. talking is a good defense in the game, but also on day 1, a FM's original style doesn't matter. they can be as random or silly as they like and drop the style when taking on a new identity. plus with other FM in the act, a FM is going to act in a way that protects him/her from getting jumped into, which means no style on day 1 is bona-fide townie.

i think oe wouldn't keep his style up all game long. the poetry is complex and as by his own admission, from his own mind. i am already seeing posts where the poetry is missing. question is, does oe plan to survive the game as oe or is oe just protecting himself before a jump?

[Olar Ethil]

Galain, on 23 October 2012 - 11:41 AM, said:

Olar Ethil, on 23 October 2012 - 09:10 AM, said:

Meanas, on 23 October 2012 - 08:55 AM, said:

@OE

I'm not sure. I just re-read your first "poetry" posts, and it seems relatively apparent that you're quoting from memory and not "getting" them from anywhere except your brain.
It could be suspicious as you say. He was making fun of Spite's haiku and my limericks, too. but he only asked you about yours (asking all three of us would have been REALLY suspicious).

The first few are from my memory. The others are some that I have found. Not going to say where. The point is he asked for the location. You make a good point, if every posts in our own unusual way it would be hard for the FM's to mimic us. Spelling, punctuation, certain phrases and words. It'll be difficult for them so he wants us to tone it down. It makes him stand out a little.

it's a nice thought, but no. you went into great detail explaining the children's game behind your poetry, unlike the other poems which were farces on a set genre. plus, accusing me of trying to copy cat you is odd since the name of the game for a FM is survival. choosing your persona, even early on, is suicide for a FM.

so the question is, why are you honing on me? trying to get a feel for my style? a FM may need to lie low, but if it fails a jump, it most certainly does not want to be a target.

It's a nice thought? I think it is exactly what we are looking for. Like Meanas said if you had carried on with others asking them how they come up with their stuff then you would look a hell of a lot more suspicious. As to copy catting me it was and still is entirely plausible. I guess we won't know that until tomorrow. I plan to play like this as long as possible. My posts are long enough for you to get a "feel" or "vibe" from the way I post and you'll know if that changes. The post I posted about you asking me where my poetry came from was the reason I "honed" in on you to put it in your words. Nothing else has stood out to me yet.



My eyes are bleeding, I need to share!



If you go up to the bedroom now,
You're sure of a big surprise.
If you go up to the bedroom now,
You'll hardly believe your eyes:
'Cause mum and Dad are having a shag,
Her head is in a brown paper bag,
But even so, Dad doesn't think it's a picnic!

[Olar Ethil]

Osseric, on 23 October 2012 - 11:42 AM, said:

So far lots and lots of spam, its an FM so I understand, but some of the poetry made my eyes bleed.

I wonder what the limit of players per alt is, and how would we figure out how many people are in one alt? a huge amount of crazy posting in several seperate stlyes by one alt?

This is interesting. I kind of knew you'd go with the whole, "I just read up and all that spam", I was going to post it before you but thought I'd wait it out. Anyway the interesting part is the alts versus players. How many players signed up? Was there 13? That would mean 2 out of our 15 alts are either unoccupied OR a person or two is playing two alts.

[Olar Ethil]

A horse, a flea, and three blind mice,
Sat on a curbstone shooting dice.
The horse, he slipped and fell on the flea.
The flea said "Whoops, there's a horse on me."

Galain, on 23 October 2012 - 12:04 PM, said:

i feel like we have at least two different personas permeating the game so far.

we have the quick posters who give a token post or two that looks townie ("bet half of you are signaling" "i am here for a couple of hours...being back if anything interesting happens" "shall the sexing commence") and who then drop off the thread or grace it with a quick remark or question here and there.

then we have the complex posters who create poetry, banter, etc there are far less of these around and most of the posts can be accounted for by players like oe and meanas

for day 1, we are trying to guess how a FM would act de novo. for every other day, we are trying to figure out who has changed and of the 3 or more FM, we can lynch only one. we may have a town killer who can help or may have a guard who can stop a jump and thus open a FM to dead by another FM. i doubt we have a healer (can't stop a jump) or a finder (moving targets make a finder much less helpful if not irrelevant).

so day 1. i think our FM may actually be in our higher posters, particularly an aggressive one. talking is a good defense in the game, but also on day 1, a FM's original style doesn't matter. they can be as random or silly as they like and drop the style when taking on a new identity. plus with other FM in the act, a FM is going to act in a way that protects him/her from getting jumped into, which means no style on day 1 is bona-fide townie.

i think oe wouldn't keep his style up all game long. the poetry is complex and as by his own admission, from his own mind. i am already seeing posts where the poetry is missing. question is, does oe plan to survive the game as oe or is oe just protecting himself before a jump?

Well the best way to survive until day two is do a couple of posts and say nothing else. Maybe drop a vote late on or something like that. More than likely we'll get it wrong and the bad guys choose their targets and town scramble around trying to do their best. It is good for scum to get rid of the higher posters because it makes it harder for town to communicate on thread. Trust becomes more remote. Look at last game (no one suspected the killers all game). It is going to be hard for an FM to jump into one of Meanas or I but that's my opinion. Finder and vig could work together. I wouldn't rule them out as a possiblility.

[Tellan]

Olar Ethil, on 23 October 2012 - 12:24 PM, said:

Osseric, on 23 October 2012 - 11:42 AM, said:

So far lots and lots of spam, its an FM so I understand, but some of the poetry made my eyes bleed.

I wonder what the limit of players per alt is, and how would we figure out how many people are in one alt? a huge amount of crazy posting in several seperate stlyes by one alt?

This is interesting. I kind of knew you'd go with the whole, "I just read up and all that spam", I was going to post it before you but thought I'd wait it out. Anyway the interesting part is the alts versus players. How many players signed up? Was there 13? That would mean 2 out of our 15 alts are either unoccupied OR a person or two is playing two alts.

You know you can actually talk sense right ? 15 people signed up.


Edit : and , if there were only 13 people playing that would mean two players were playing two alts .

This post has been edited by Tellan: 23 October 2012 - 12:46 PM

[Tellan]

Olar Ethil, on 23 October 2012 - 12:38 PM, said:

A horse, a flea, and three blind mice,
Sat on a curbstone shooting dice.
The horse, he slipped and fell on the flea.
The flea said "Whoops, there's a horse on me."

Galain, on 23 October 2012 - 12:04 PM, said:

i feel like we have at least two different personas permeating the game so far.

we have the quick posters who give a token post or two that looks townie ("bet half of you are signaling" "i am here for a couple of hours...being back if anything interesting happens" "shall the sexing commence") and who then drop off the thread or grace it with a quick remark or question here and there.

then we have the complex posters who create poetry, banter, etc there are far less of these around and most of the posts can be accounted for by players like oe and meanas

for day 1, we are trying to guess how a FM would act de novo. for every other day, we are trying to figure out who has changed and of the 3 or more FM, we can lynch only one. we may have a town killer who can help or may have a guard who can stop a jump and thus open a FM to dead by another FM. i doubt we have a healer (can't stop a jump) or a finder (moving targets make a finder much less helpful if not irrelevant).

so day 1. i think our FM may actually be in our higher posters, particularly an aggressive one. talking is a good defense in the game, but also on day 1, a FM's original style doesn't matter. they can be as random or silly as they like and drop the style when taking on a new identity. plus with other FM in the act, a FM is going to act in a way that protects him/her from getting jumped into, which means no style on day 1 is bona-fide townie.

i think oe wouldn't keep his style up all game long. the poetry is complex and as by his own admission, from his own mind. i am already seeing posts where the poetry is missing. question is, does oe plan to survive the game as oe or is oe just protecting himself before a jump?

Well the best way to survive until day two is do a couple of posts and say nothing else. Maybe drop a vote late on or something like that. More than likely we'll get it wrong and the bad guys choose their targets and town scramble around trying to do their best. It is good for scum to get rid of the higher posters because it makes it harder for town to communicate on thread. Trust becomes more remote. Look at last game (no one suspected the killers all game). It is going to be hard for an FM to jump into one of Meanas or I but that's my opinion. Finder and vig could work together. I wouldn't rule them out as a possiblility.

the two italic parts cannot coexist .
1 lynch . probably at least 3 FMs .so the best way to survive is to make yourself a "not target" .

[Osseric]

I'd just like to point out that in a FM game posting little is going to get you FMed, bad for me to be saying it as Ive only been playing about an hour and half, but the more you post on here the harder you are to copy

[Tulas Shorn]

Liosan, on 22 October 2012 - 09:44 PM, said:

That was.... weird. We just used to use eenie meenie miney mo, but none of us knew what the words meant.

Also, I'd love to know who TS thinks is signalling, because there are no teams and no scum, so who is there to signal to?

You are signalling with your words and phrases, just mucking about

Why you so touchy?

[Olar Ethil]

Tellan, on 23 October 2012 - 12:45 PM, said:

Olar Ethil, on 23 October 2012 - 12:38 PM, said:

A horse, a flea, and three blind mice,
Sat on a curbstone shooting dice.
The horse, he slipped and fell on the flea.
The flea said "Whoops, there's a horse on me."

Galain, on 23 October 2012 - 12:04 PM, said:

i feel like we have at least two different personas permeating the game so far.

we have the quick posters who give a token post or two that looks townie ("bet half of you are signaling" "i am here for a couple of hours...being back if anything interesting happens" "shall the sexing commence") and who then drop off the thread or grace it with a quick remark or question here and there.

then we have the complex posters who create poetry, banter, etc there are far less of these around and most of the posts can be accounted for by players like oe and meanas

for day 1, we are trying to guess how a FM would act de novo. for every other day, we are trying to figure out who has changed and of the 3 or more FM, we can lynch only one. we may have a town killer who can help or may have a guard who can stop a jump and thus open a FM to dead by another FM. i doubt we have a healer (can't stop a jump) or a finder (moving targets make a finder much less helpful if not irrelevant).

so day 1. i think our FM may actually be in our higher posters, particularly an aggressive one. talking is a good defense in the game, but also on day 1, a FM's original style doesn't matter. they can be as random or silly as they like and drop the style when taking on a new identity. plus with other FM in the act, a FM is going to act in a way that protects him/her from getting jumped into, which means no style on day 1 is bona-fide townie.

i think oe wouldn't keep his style up all game long. the poetry is complex and as by his own admission, from his own mind. i am already seeing posts where the poetry is missing. question is, does oe plan to survive the game as oe or is oe just protecting himself before a jump?

Well the best way to survive until day two is do a couple of posts and say nothing else. Maybe drop a vote late on or something like that. More than likely we'll get it wrong and the bad guys choose their targets and town scramble around trying to do their best. It is good for scum to get rid of the higher posters because it makes it harder for town to communicate on thread. Trust becomes more remote. Look at last game (no one suspected the killers all game). It is going to be hard for an FM to jump into one of Meanas or I but that's my opinion. Finder and vig could work together. I wouldn't rule them out as a possiblility.

the two italic parts cannot coexist .
1 lynch . probably at least 3 FMs .so the best way to survive is to make yourself a "not target" .

Not a lynch target but you also wouldn't want to be an FM target either no?

[Meanas]

Osseric, on 23 October 2012 - 11:42 AM, said:

a huge amount of crazy posting in several seperate stlyes by one alt?

If that's what it is, that'll be nice since it will make it easier to find and lynch them.

[Meanas]

Galain, on 23 October 2012 - 12:04 PM, said:

so day 1. i think our FM may actually be in our higher posters, particularly an aggressive one. talking is a good defense in the game, but also on day 1, a FM's original style doesn't matter. they can be as random or silly as they like and drop the style when taking on a new identity. plus with other FM in the act, a FM is going to act in a way that protects him/her from getting jumped into, which means no style on day 1 is bona-fide townie.

Some interesting speculations in your post. I suggested earlier that the nights they're able to jump may be staggered, but that could be unfair balance-wise if some are able to jump more quickly than others. So I speculate they can probably jump on the same nights. I think what is msot likely is there is a guard and/or town "fm bps" which will possibly trap some FMs and they'll get jumped into by their competitor or "found". I agree that they will act in a way that protects them, but so is everyone. As I said, I think town and FMs are going to act very similarly because they have the same motivations "don't be jumped into or if jumped into, make it harder for the FM to hide". So pointing out initial behavior won't be a reliable method of finding FMs. Finding CHANGES in behavior, will be more reliable.

Also the underlined part: really? I would think it is in everyone's interest to be consistent about certain things because if all or a majority of townies are doing it, it should make it clearer to spot FMs as we go along, no?

[Korvalain]

Back and read up through the spam. I think Olar's over the top spamming and bad poetry are so he can change play style completely when he jumps.

[Osseric]

Korvalain, on 23 October 2012 - 02:43 PM, said:

Back and read up through the spam. I think Olar's over the top spamming and bad poetry are so he can change play style completely when he jumps.

I think all the guys who are going over the top to be hard to copy are probably going to end up FM's

[Korvalain]

I may not have long today, and I stand by my theory.
Vote Olar
I'll return if time allows.

[Atrahal]

Korvalain, on 23 October 2012 - 02:43 PM, said:

Back and read up through the spam. I think Olar's over the top spamming and bad poetry are so he can change play style completely when he jumps.

I'm back and read up. Some good speculation going on. What would be the point of this though? Of course he would have to change his playing style if he was an FM - to copy whoever he jumped into! The way he's playing now has no impact whatsoever on that.

And yes, I've dropped my previous attempt at being complicated. It was too much effort Might try and think of something else though

[Tulas Shorn]

Atrahal, on 23 October 2012 - 03:07 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 23 October 2012 - 02:43 PM, said:

Back and read up through the spam. I think Olar's over the top spamming and bad poetry are so he can change play style completely when he jumps.

I'm back and read up. Some good speculation going on. What would be the point of this though? Of course he would have to change his playing style if he was an FM - to copy whoever he jumped into! The way he's playing now has no impact whatsoever on that.

And yes, I've dropped my previous attempt at being complicated. It was too much effort Might try and think of something else though

I think Korv means he is creating a contrast element, which is entirely possible