[Path-Shaper]

Emurlahn, on 27 September 2012 - 02:54 PM, said:

And they didn't buy it. I'm not going to post 'cause I think i was the only one with screwy voting.

This was a good game. I like the dynamic of the outright war and the hidden war. I also like being independent. It means when I lose it's my own fault (I should have payed more attention when trying to get liosan lynched).

Also, Karosis is probably the last assassin. Maybe he had a BP and that's why Mockra wanted to lynch him? I dunno, the way he and Spite hammered when I SAID I would be back was weird.

[Emurlahn]

Path-Shaper, on 20 September 2012 - 08:59 AM, said:

Osseric, on 20 September 2012 - 08:46 AM, said:

I'm pretty sure Korv is an assassin . He is practically screaming it with his assassin hunt .

EmperorMagus has Blend dead to rights.

We were all super obvious!!

[Emurlahn]

EmperorMagus, on 27 September 2012 - 07:43 AM, said:

And we may have a good mate for Bru in Gnaw!

100% agreed. We need Brujah to come back to form, he's been far too quiet lately. I thought Gnaw WAS Bru (but slightly more sane).

[Emurlahn]

EmperorMagus, on 27 September 2012 - 12:33 PM, said:

Obdi is a little scary when playing.

Agreed, Obdi is the man. Glad I went after him the whole game, the fucker.

[Emurlahn]

Gnaw, on 27 September 2012 - 01:54 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 27 September 2012 - 08:32 AM, said:

Hey, I'll be honest with you, I thought you did great. Your only real "mistake" was your use of bulletpoints as D'riss, which is something veterans or particularly sharp newbies will pick up on. If you're ever a faceless man again (which is a rare role, so I wouldn't count on it anytime soon), just remember to alter your posting style accordingly.

Thanks for that.

The D'riss "oops wrong thread." was a major blunder.
It was a post supposed to be under the Mockra alt. That mentally screwed me. I managed to FOD myself to death.

Not supposed to edit out misposts like that, just so you know (no biggy though)

[Gnaw]

Emurlahn, on 28 September 2012 - 01:05 AM, said:

EmperorMagus, on 27 September 2012 - 07:43 AM, said:

And we may have a good mate for Bru in Gnaw!

100% agreed. We need Brujah to come back to form, he's been far too quiet lately. I thought Gnaw WAS Bru (but slightly more sane).

INow I have to ask.

[Emurlahn]

Great game Shin. Really glad I got thrown in here (wasn't expecting the PM, actually). I think this has been a GREAT game for everyone. The FM-assassins struggled, but everyone else has been practically flawless. This was an awesome game to be a part of. I really feel some of the nubs are coming into their own. And by that I mean beating out the other newbs. (sadface: me).

I love games with reoccuring roles, as well. I need to get back to designing part 2 of my Zombies universe. Just have no time...

This game made me happy and not grumpy (like losing usually does).

[Emurlahn]

Gnaw, on 28 September 2012 - 01:10 AM, said:

Emurlahn, on 28 September 2012 - 01:05 AM, said:

EmperorMagus, on 27 September 2012 - 07:43 AM, said:

And we may have a good mate for Bru in Gnaw!

100% agreed. We need Brujah to come back to form, he's been far too quiet lately. I thought Gnaw WAS Bru (but slightly more sane).

INow I have to ask.

Brujah is a newer character of the forums who is decidedly rambling in his posting style. His first ever game was my Zombies game, which was a reasonably high TMDI game with 2 players controlling 10 alts (zombies) who were killers and cultists, and 3 identical human factions with various roles.

He played a "child" role, which was an infinite BP to human killers. So after a few game days, he exploded onto the thread and starting crazy speculations in a way that can only be explained by reading the thread. The killers tried to get rid of him six or seven times, but he resisted every time, and lived until the end of the game. The next few games he existed in the same insane manner.

It's hard to explain..

[Gnaw]

Path-Shaper, on 27 September 2012 - 10:53 AM, said:

For the record:

Spite successfully found the remaining assassin last night, but the rule is you can't have 2 assassins on payroll. Why? Because it would make it nearly impossible for them to kill each other and fulfill their own VCs. It was only meant as a slight advantage/disadvantage depending on which side of the recruitment you're on.

I've lost track. Is Korv still independent? The loss of 2 paymasters the 1st night and Eloth's lynch totally screwed the recruit function you built in. At this point, Spite is unlikely to try recruiting Korv again?
Hosakawa looks to win at this point by attrition alone. The only hope I can see for the others is Korv being not lynched and picking their contracts with Hosakawa targets.

[Path-Shaper]

Korv takes Hosokawa contract tonight.

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I will take a contract from Hokosawa again for Night 6.

Kill order preference is:

Olar Ethil
Liosan
Tellan
Spite
Fener
Karosis
Sorrit
Meanas

He has officially won the assassin game, but he stays active because he's still a factor in the clan war.

If a non-Korv, non-Hosokawa is lynched today, the game is over.

If Korv or a Hosokawa is lynched, we go on!

[Path-Shaper]

Gnaw, on 28 September 2012 - 08:11 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 27 September 2012 - 10:53 AM, said:

For the record:

Spite successfully found the remaining assassin last night, but the rule is you can't have 2 assassins on payroll. Why? Because it would make it nearly impossible for them to kill each other and fulfill their own VCs. It was only meant as a slight advantage/disadvantage depending on which side of the recruitment you're on.

I've lost track. Is Korv still independent? The loss of 2 paymasters the 1st night and Eloth's lynch totally screwed the recruit function you built in. At this point, Spite is unlikely to try recruiting Korv again?
Hosakawa looks to win at this point by attrition alone. The only hope I can see for the others is Korv being not lynched and picking their contracts with Hosakawa targets.

Yes, technically Spite can try to recruit Korv again, especially she should know that Emurlahn is now dead. But will she think of it? I didn't make it explicit that a clan can only have one assassin at a time, which was perhaps a little mean on my part.

[Path-Shaper]

Emurlahn, on 28 September 2012 - 01:13 AM, said:

Great game Shin. Really glad I got thrown in here (wasn't expecting the PM, actually). I think this has been a GREAT game for everyone. The FM-assassins struggled, but everyone else has been practically flawless. This was an awesome game to be a part of. I really feel some of the nubs are coming into their own. And by that I mean beating out the other newbs. (sadface: me).

I love games with reoccuring roles, as well. I need to get back to designing part 2 of my Zombies universe. Just have no time...

This game made me happy and not grumpy (like losing usually does).

Thank you. I tried hard to get the balance right on this one, and it seems to be working out pretty much as I hoped. The only thing I didn't expect was that not a single assassin managed a second puppet. I figured there'd be some tripping over toes and heals etc, but I thought 1 of 3 would get lucky.

BTW, Korv can be "lynched" as in booted from the game, but his character won't die and he still wins. The Tengu will be coming back in a future game, I promise you all that.

[Shinrei]

This is a great post. GET OUT OF MY HEAD BRUJAH!

Fener, on 29 September 2012 - 01:10 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on 27 September 2012 - 12:56 PM, said:

I'm here, don't lynch me. Looks like this is going down, so I'll give ya'll some information from the scene.

Path-Shaper, on 26 September 2012 - 11:20 PM, said:

The paymaster's shed lay in darkness, a black swirling mist which seemed like a deeper hole in the blackness of the night.

The Goblin1 perched on the edge of the roof and dropped in through a narrow window that would have been sufficient to keep out a small child. Landing lightly on the earthen floor of the shed, it paused. A blade scraped free of a scabbard and the white skull of a demon2 emerged from the gloom, pausing as well.

The distance between them was less than a meter, but it was nearly as effective as a wall. Neither moved. Neither seemed to breath.
And that's when the Shadow3 came to life. Boiling out from the back of the shed, it engulfed the two in their standoff. Everything became a blur of motion. Shadow attacked Demon, Demon parried and stabbed towards the Goblin. Goblin leapt into the air and performed a half flip to gather its legs under it. Pushing off of the ceiling it surged downward. The Demon spun and hammered at the Shadow with a double overhead blow. There was a scream, and suddenly where there had been shadow, a man coalesced. A long sword split its skull from the front, held by the demon, and a cruelly curved scythe pushed through his neck from behind, held by the Goblin.4

Again, there was a pause, and the air fairly crackled with animosity. And a promise.

Slowly, both of the remaining combatants drew slowly backwards. The body of their third adversary slid noiselessly to the ground.
In moments, they were gone. 5

But the promise remained.

'

1. The Goblin = Assassin number 1.
2. The demon - assassin number 2
3. The shadow = assassin number 3
4. The Demon and Goblin both attacked the Shadow, killing him.
5. there are two assassins left. The goblin, and the demon.
6. Working with your assumption that all the assassins are an FM or alt jumpers of some kind, of the two assassins remaining, one has 1 (hannya) alt and the other has 2.'



So there is no need to lynch a known assassin at this point. Got it? Also no need to allow them to be killed at night. They just want the other dead, no faction worries.


I am willing to vote anywhere but me.

This post kept bringing me back to it, especially the underlined part, but I wasn't sure what he was saying then. Now we know that Emur was the demon assassin. He was telling us that he was an assassin, hoping we would leave him alone. If they can jump alts an unlimited amount of time, I don't see him bring so worried about this lynch, but seeing as he already died as Korbas, maybe the second time is for good.

I'm thinking that they may have a one time jump ability on their first death, but the underline made it sound like the goblin assassin had two alts, at the same time? The demon, he said, only had one alt. I'm assuming this was because he died as Korbas already. I'm just wondering if he was saying the third assassin had 'two alts' was meant to mean it had it's one time alt jump still, or if it had already taken over the second alt, and was controlling both. What do you guys think he meant?

Emurlahn, on 27 September 2012 - 01:18 PM, said:

One of you people unvote me, please, just in case neither of one of the assassin's alts have voted yet, they could hammer.

I'm leaving. Will be back in an hour and a half.

Again here, he says in case neither one of the assassin's alts have voted yet. Shadow was dead, as he said. He is the demon assassin, that leaves only the goblin assassin, according to him. He seems to be implying that the goblin assassin could vote for him with either of the two alts? I'm not saying for sure this is what he meant, but I can't figure out what else he meant if he wasn't.

Emurlahn, on 27 September 2012 - 12:59 PM, said:

Also, consider this: There seem to be no killers in the game other than assassins. You lose your only method of killing the other factions if you eliminate one of the remaining assassins, as the other will leave the game (this is an assumption based off other games with independent VCs).

Finally, this post says that if we kill one of the last two assassins, namely him, then the other one would win, and leave the game. Seeing as we weren't informed of this happening, can we conclude that there's still more than one assassin alive? Or has the last one already won, and just sticks around until the end, or until it dies. I could see PS leaving it in, and if it dies, it leaves, but still wins. Or the simpler suggestion is that we still have more than one assassin left. Again, what do you guys think? It may not concern us, but I'd still like to figure out what's going on.

[Gnaw]

Shinrei, on 29 September 2012 - 01:51 PM, said:

This is a great post. GET OUT OF MY HEAD BRUJAH!

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Damn, he's good. But I shall learn. And he shall fall.



At this point the game is hinging on Blend and Bliss? (Yes, I'm talking too much. But remaining ignorant is {almost} never a good idea.)

[Gnaw]

Fener, on 29 September 2012 - 05:02 PM, said:

Meanas, on 29 September 2012 - 02:22 PM, said:

Fener, on 28 September 2012 - 11:08 PM, said:

Spite, on 28 September 2012 - 11:02 PM, said:

@ my above post... I see Korv as faction more than assassin.

He might be a faction. You guys seem to be forgetting that assassins are taking over peoples bodies. Killing them is potentially killing factions. If Korv is faction, he's not Ouchi, because he was fine with culture hunting them, and he's not Amako, or he would know who their leader is. So he's either that shogun clan, hosokawa, or assassin in it's first body, or already in a faction body. The thing is, all those dead assassins, and we're not exactly sure who's dead from which faction. I'm thinking Emurlahn was Ouchi, though.

you are very concerned about the FM. And you're the leader/captain of the Amako clan?

Anyone in a faction knows that their leader isn't the captain. How come you don't know this? Are you the last assassin? You seem worried that I'm concerned about the FM.
To the clans, I think we might be outnumbered by the shogunate. Since Eloth was an agent, they would have ranks and titles different from the clans. There's far too many players that aren't in the factions left. I say this because so many players didn't know a captain, example when galain died, isn't a faction leader.

Oops. Spoke too soon ref Spite and Korv.
Meanas spinning to get Sorrit off the lynch list.
But, Brujah? Are you

• Genuinely wondering if there are more non faction players
• Spreading FOD to the others
• Or FODing yourself

Note

• FUD == Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt.
• I prefer FOD == Fear, Obfuscation, and Doubt.

[Khellendros]

Talk about RL getting in the way...

What's happening? Are we still playing? Am I, erm, my team winning?

[Path-Shaper]

If they manage to pull out a Sorrit lynch on thread, the game is over.

Blend has already won the assassin war, and the Hosokawa win with any non-Hosokawa lynch. (Sorrit, for example.)


If it goes to night with no lynch (possible), Korv will receive a Hosokawa contract with the names Korv and Liosan on it. If he decides to kill Liosan, the game is also over (and would be a cooler ending).

If they manage to lynch someone other than Sorrit (unlikely with 2 hours left), then it's a different ballgame.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 01 October 2012 - 10:50 PM

[Khellendros]

Damn, it is haaaard getting back into mafia. It may be because I only managed to play the one day before being quietly and unceremoniously bumped off, but I've read through the spoilers and still haven't a clue what's happening

[Gnaw]

Path-Shaper, on 01 October 2012 - 10:47 PM, said:

If they manage to pull out a Sorrit lynch on thread, the game is over.

Blend has already won the assassin war, and the Hosokawa win with any non-Hosokawa lynch. (Sorrit, for example.)


If it goes to night with no lynch (possible), Korv will receive a Hosokawa contract with the names Korv and Liosan on it. If he decides to kill Liosan, the game is also over (and would be a cooler ending).

If they manage to lynch someone other than Sorrit (unlikely with 2 hours left), then it's a different ballgame.

Color me confused. My POV is worthless now that I'm in SH, but I just can't see why Bliss/Spite would post

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I don't know what liosan or korv's motivations are, but as far as I'm concerned, Osseric and Galain were both stalls. The only thing we've consistently hit has been assassins. Liosan suggested sorrit who does not give me an assassin vibe. As far as I know, sorrit isnt on my team, so it's worth a shot. OE has stopped by, and gave a sorrit defense, which may be a connection.

Surely by now she at least suspects OE is in her faction? Or is she doing that to try to get Brujah/Fener to switch vote to Sorrit?

Edit. Nvm. OE voted for Fener. Had read it the other way around, so this is just a "OE, I'm pretty certain you're in my faction. Vote Sorrit damnit."

This post has been edited by Gnaw: 02 October 2012 - 12:08 AM

[Gnaw]

Gah. Dammit Shin, you stopped posting player messages to you. Or they stopped sending you messages with suppositions. Either way, I'm lost.


So, for my post-game sanity:

@everyone. Who knew what and when did you know it?