[Mockra]

 Korvalain, on 21 September 2012 - 02:49 AM, said:

 Mockra, on 21 September 2012 - 02:45 AM, said:

As for doing something useful, while I reach for the aspirin bottle, Korosis scared the crap out of me yesterday. He's way too fucking smart for our continued good health. I think I could easily be talked into just a "let's all lynch the bright person in the next 3 hours".

Can you maybe explain that?

Click page 4. 5th post down. He basically sums up all the previous pages with 4 quotes and 5 paragraphs, putting the final nails in Eloth's coffin. It was a thing of beauty.

[Mockra]

 Karosis, on 21 September 2012 - 02:52 AM, said:

 Mockra, on 21 September 2012 - 02:45 AM, said:

As for doing something useful, while I reach for the aspirin bottle, Korosis scared the crap out of me yesterday. He's way too fucking smart for our continued good health. I think I could easily be talked into just a "let's all lynch the bright person in the next 3 hours".

I would not appreciate that.

I completely understand you're POV on that.

[Korvalain]

 Mockra, on 21 September 2012 - 02:58 AM, said:

 Korvalain, on 21 September 2012 - 02:49 AM, said:

 Mockra, on 21 September 2012 - 02:45 AM, said:

As for doing something useful, while I reach for the aspirin bottle, Korosis scared the crap out of me yesterday. He's way too fucking smart for our continued good health. I think I could easily be talked into just a "let's all lynch the bright person in the next 3 hours".

Can you maybe explain that?

Click page 4. 5th post down. He basically sums up all the previous pages with 4 quotes and 5 paragraphs, putting the final nails in Eloth's coffin. It was a thing of beauty.

Ah, I see what you mean, though I don't know if i necessarily believe that Karosis' post is what 'put the final nails in Eloth's coffin.' If I remember correctly, a good chunk of those who hadn't voted yet had said they would probably vote Eloth. At any rate, I don't think we should just lynch him within 3 hours by any means. That's just poor play.

I'm going to bed now. G'night Mafia, see ya in the morning!

[Fener]

I can buy the potential for 3 teams of 4, and 4 assassins, but I can't buy 4 NKs each night. I think that would end the game far too quickly. Doesn't the OP mention something about the assassin role being 'watered down', and they ( the assassins) may have only a limited number of NK attempts. It would make sense, and explain why there was no NK last night. I think the assassins might also be finders, and are waiting to find each other before pulling the trigger, or the 'knife in the dark', so to speak. But it's only a theory at this point.

[Karosis]

The possibility of assassins being watered down was posted by Korv, it is not in the OP. I also doubt limited numbers of kills would stop anyone from going trigger happy day one seeing as how vigs are used.

The mechanics question I have is still whether assassins are loose cannon types who just go out and kill whomever they want, or if they are as Eloth suggested. If people can hire them, then I'd place the scene as a hiring with the kill to come tonight.

[Karosis]

 Spite, on 20 September 2012 - 02:05 PM, said:

Not a bad lynch. It would seem we chose wisely.

Care to elaborate?

[Sorrit]

Maybe assasins are more like finders? with a vig or two? or maybe they can only assasinate leaders and other assasins?

doesnt tappers role description say that an assasin can bypass guards and heals? so that cant be the reason there was no kills, maybe our assasins are lazy and didnt bother putting in an order

[Liosan]

 Sorrit, on 21 September 2012 - 07:36 AM, said:

Maybe assasins are more like finders? with a vig or two? or maybe they can only assasinate leaders and other assasins?

doesnt tappers role description say that an assasin can bypass guards and heals? so that cant be the reason there was no kills, maybe our assasins are lazy and didnt bother putting in an order

Did you get a role description list I didnt? And by Tapper do you mean Shinrei/Path-Shaper?

[Sorrit]

I mean tapper as in tapper and someone quoted it before, ill hunt through it now

[Sorrit]

 Korvalain, on 19 September 2012 - 08:09 PM, said:

Below is from Tapper's FAQ thread:

Quote

Assassin
The Assassin is a regular (scum aligned) killer, except that his kills are unaffected by one or both of the following:
1. heals or bullet proofs on the target,
2. guards on the Assassin.
The role can be watered down by giving a limited number of uses of this ability to the Assassin.
Very exotic, very powerful role.

Nothing there about assassins being hired.

heres the quote describing the assasin role from tappers FAQ as first quoted by korv

[Meanas]

 Sorrit, on 21 September 2012 - 07:36 AM, said:

Maybe assasins are more like finders? with a vig or two? or maybe they can only assasinate leaders and other assasins?

doesnt tappers role description say that an assasin can bypass guards and heals? so that cant be the reason there was no kills, maybe our assasins are lazy and didnt bother putting in an order

I don;t think we should place our faith in a description that can easily not apply to this game.

[Meanas]

 Mockra, on 21 September 2012 - 02:58 AM, said:

 Korvalain, on 21 September 2012 - 02:49 AM, said:

 Mockra, on 21 September 2012 - 02:45 AM, said:

As for doing something useful, while I reach for the aspirin bottle, Korosis scared the crap out of me yesterday. He's way too fucking smart for our continued good health. I think I could easily be talked into just a "let's all lynch the bright person in the next 3 hours".

Can you maybe explain that?

Click page 4. 5th post down. He basically sums up all the previous pages with 4 quotes and 5 paragraphs, putting the final nails in Eloth's coffin. It was a thing of beauty.

That's how it's supposed to be done. If we start getting rid of smart players first, I'm going to live forever

[Meanas]

 Karosis, on 21 September 2012 - 03:24 AM, said:

The possibility of assassins being watered down was posted by Korv, it is not in the OP. I also doubt limited numbers of kills would stop anyone from going trigger happy day one seeing as how vigs are used.

The mechanics question I have is still whether assassins are loose cannon types who just go out and kill whomever they want, or if they are as Eloth suggested. If people can hire them, then I'd place the scene as a hiring with the kill to come tonight.

Agree first part - I think that even if Eloth wasn't an assassin (and his death scene was ambiguous in that regard) he knew something about it - he was the first to mention a hiring mechanic and I had to re-read the OP in that context to get it.

[Sorrit]

 Meanas, on 21 September 2012 - 11:46 AM, said:

 Sorrit, on 21 September 2012 - 07:36 AM, said:

Maybe assasins are more like finders? with a vig or two? or maybe they can only assasinate leaders and other assasins?

doesnt tappers role description say that an assasin can bypass guards and heals? so that cant be the reason there was no kills, maybe our assasins are lazy and didnt bother putting in an order

I don;t think we should place our faith in a description that can easily not apply to this game.

Fair enough, I stand admonished

[Spite]

Just waking up.

@Karosis - based on the scene, it would seem that we have hit someone who is roled, maybe an assassin. I'm not sure that I can tell what his role was specifically from that post.

Mockra's sudden desire to lynch Karosis makes me suspect that he did a find on him last night.

[Sorrit]

 Path-Shaper, on 20 September 2012 - 12:39 PM, said:

Kunitomo felt the border patrol closing in on his position. He had thought to infiltrate the clan by slipping through the checkpoint as a silk merchant, but several over-dubious border agents had sniffed through his false premise almost immediately. He had barely made his escape, but his mule was lame and he had nowhere else to go.

Taking his short blade from his sash, his only regret was that he had failed the Shogun, his master, and the Ashikaga would be stricken even further by his failure. It had been the hope of his master that he could find support amongst the Western Clans, and to possibly stave the violence that was slowly brewing West of Kyoto. It wasn’t to be, he had failed before he began. There was naught to be done but end it.

So he did. One crimson slash and his blood boiled across the bare stony ground.

Eloth (Azathmaster), Agent of the Ashikaga Shogunate is dead.

The bolded part there really looks like he has some kind of recruiting mechanic....

[Korvalain]

That's a good point by Sorrit there. But does it make sense in such a small three faction game to have a recruit mechanic?

[Tellan]

Sorry for my extended absence, my day ended up being busier than expected.

If I'm reading it right, Mockra wants to lynch Karosis because he's smart. Which is a dumb way to play any Mafia game, but particularly a faction game where no one knows their whole team. So either Mockra knows something about Karosis, or Mockra is an independent. Neither of these gives me a lot of confidence in his push for the lynch.

It seems to me that we may have hit an assasin in Eloth. Shin has said that the three factions are the Hosokawa, the Ouchi and the Amako, so if he's an agent of the Ashikaga Shogunate, that suggests to me that he was at least an independent. It is possible that Sorrit is correct and Eloth was out attempting to recruit, and recruiting was a big factor in the last Sengoku game, so it wouldn't surprise me if Shin had thrown something of the sort in here.

[Meanas]

it's possible, i don't think we've heard the TDMI rating on this to determine how likely something like that can be

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 15 hours and 27 minutes are left in the day.

15 players are left alive.


D'riss, Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Karosis, Korbas, Korvalain, Liosan, Meanas, Mockra, Olar Ethil, Osseric, Sorrit, Spite, Tellan


8 votes to lynch, 8 to go to night.

No one has voted.

A scene has been added to the beginning of day, so go check it out.

Another mid-day scene is forthcoming.