[Korbas]

 Galain, on 21 September 2012 - 02:18 PM, said:

 Korbas, on 21 September 2012 - 01:43 PM, said:

I was getting pretty damn annoyed at Mockra and now Meanas trying to downplay themselves so as to not appear a threat.

I think this is pretty rich coming from you. It seems that everone forgot that you were the first one to cry assassin about Eloth. It seems to me that you've been downplaying yourself and trying to throw suspicion out there in order to keep the spotlight away from you. I would still be interested in seeing whether you CF assassin or not.

At this point, I would be willing to vote Karosis or Korbas.

?

I've suggested looking for more people from a possibly recruiting faction. I don't think anyone has forgotten i was the first to point out the Eloth slip. I don't really care. I stand by an assassin as an easy lynch for any faction member at this stage in the game. Until we lynch someone of a faction and the culture hunt begins, of course.

Now, I feel eloth may have been part of a hidden third faction, and for that reason i asked for assistance in connection searching.

I'm confused as to the accusation here.

[Korbas]

 Korvalain, on 21 September 2012 - 02:25 PM, said:

 Galain, on 21 September 2012 - 02:18 PM, said:

 Korbas, on 21 September 2012 - 01:43 PM, said:

I was getting pretty damn annoyed at Mockra and now Meanas trying to downplay themselves so as to not appear a threat.

I think this is pretty rich coming from you. It seems that everone forgot that you were the first one to cry assassin about Eloth. It seems to me that you've been downplaying yourself and trying to throw suspicion out there in order to keep the spotlight away from you. I would still be interested in seeing whether you CF assassin or not.

At this point, I would be willing to vote Karosis or Korbas.

What is it with you and wanting to get rid of the smart players? First against Karosis, and now against Korbas?

Sure Korbas was the first to cry assassin, but I would have done it if he hadn't. When someone speculates about a role, it's a rule of thumb that there's a better than 50% chance they are talking about their own role. It makes sense to speculate about a role you have all the info on, because it's easy to make it seem like you don't know anything to the other people with the same role.

To add on to this, I applied pressure, and he cracked and dropped more strange posts. I thought it was handled by everyone in a textbook mafia way.

[Meanas]

 Korbas, on 21 September 2012 - 01:43 PM, said:

 Meanas, on 21 September 2012 - 11:49 AM, said:

 Mockra, on 21 September 2012 - 02:58 AM, said:

 Korvalain, on 21 September 2012 - 02:49 AM, said:

 Mockra, on 21 September 2012 - 02:45 AM, said:

As for doing something useful, while I reach for the aspirin bottle, Korosis scared the crap out of me yesterday. He's way too fucking smart for our continued good health. I think I could easily be talked into just a "let's all lynch the bright person in the next 3 hours".

Can you maybe explain that?

Click page 4. 5th post down. He basically sums up all the previous pages with 4 quotes and 5 paragraphs, putting the final nails in Eloth's coffin. It was a thing of beauty.

That's how it's supposed to be done. If we start getting rid of smart players first, I'm going to live forever

I was getting pretty damn annoyed at Mockra and now Meanas trying to downplay themselves so as to not appear a threat.

I'm not trying to downplay myself, I was just making a joke at my own expense. Save your annoyance for someone else, or at least for a real reason.

[Korbas]

 Galain, on 21 September 2012 - 02:55 PM, said:

 Spite, on 21 September 2012 - 02:30 PM, said:

 Galain, on 21 September 2012 - 02:18 PM, said:

 Korbas, on 21 September 2012 - 01:43 PM, said:

I was getting pretty damn annoyed at Mockra and now Meanas trying to downplay themselves so as to not appear a threat.

I think this is pretty rich coming from you. It seems that everone forgot that you were the first one to cry assassin about Eloth. It seems to me that you've been downplaying yourself and trying to throw suspicion out there in order to keep the spotlight away from you. I would still be interested in seeing whether you CF assassin or not.

At this point, I would be willing to vote Karosis or Korbas.

This looks an awful lot like you are trying to pull attention away from Mockra.

So what, because I agreed with Mockra about something, and because I brought up something I spent a good part of yesterday mentioning, I MUST be defending Mockra? That's just silly. Is it my fault the guy makes sense? I think that you're just trying to pull attention away from Korbas in the same way that you are accusing me of pulling attention away from Mockra.

vote Korbas

SYMPCEPTION

[Korvalain]

 Meanas, on 21 September 2012 - 03:03 PM, said:

I'm not trying to downplay myself, I was just making a joke at my own expense. Save your annoyance for someone else, or at least for a real reason.

Pretty sure it WAS a real reason. Players trying to make themselves seem less dangerous are usually MORE dangerous than they're letting on. For now, I am still more interested in Mockra, but don't think that you're off the hook.

[Korvalain]

 Korbas, on 21 September 2012 - 03:07 PM, said:

 Galain, on 21 September 2012 - 02:55 PM, said:

 Spite, on 21 September 2012 - 02:30 PM, said:

 Galain, on 21 September 2012 - 02:18 PM, said:

 Korbas, on 21 September 2012 - 01:43 PM, said:

I was getting pretty damn annoyed at Mockra and now Meanas trying to downplay themselves so as to not appear a threat.

I think this is pretty rich coming from you. It seems that everone forgot that you were the first one to cry assassin about Eloth. It seems to me that you've been downplaying yourself and trying to throw suspicion out there in order to keep the spotlight away from you. I would still be interested in seeing whether you CF assassin or not.

At this point, I would be willing to vote Karosis or Korbas.

This looks an awful lot like you are trying to pull attention away from Mockra.

So what, because I agreed with Mockra about something, and because I brought up something I spent a good part of yesterday mentioning, I MUST be defending Mockra? That's just silly. Is it my fault the guy makes sense? I think that you're just trying to pull attention away from Korbas in the same way that you are accusing me of pulling attention away from Mockra.

vote Korbas

SYMPCEPTION

LoL, remind me to rep you for that one after the game!

[Korbas]

 Meanas, on 21 September 2012 - 03:03 PM, said:

 Korbas, on 21 September 2012 - 01:43 PM, said:

 Meanas, on 21 September 2012 - 11:49 AM, said:

 Mockra, on 21 September 2012 - 02:58 AM, said:

 Korvalain, on 21 September 2012 - 02:49 AM, said:

 Mockra, on 21 September 2012 - 02:45 AM, said:

As for doing something useful, while I reach for the aspirin bottle, Korosis scared the crap out of me yesterday. He's way too fucking smart for our continued good health. I think I could easily be talked into just a "let's all lynch the bright person in the next 3 hours".

Can you maybe explain that?

Click page 4. 5th post down. He basically sums up all the previous pages with 4 quotes and 5 paragraphs, putting the final nails in Eloth's coffin. It was a thing of beauty.

That's how it's supposed to be done. If we start getting rid of smart players first, I'm going to live forever

I was getting pretty damn annoyed at Mockra and now Meanas trying to downplay themselves so as to not appear a threat.

I'm not trying to downplay myself, I was just making a joke at my own expense. Save your annoyance for someone else, or at least for a real reason.

Fair enough. Just something that irked me a bit.

[Korbas]

I'd like to hear from Mockra. I don't really buy that Galain is symping him, and he is certainly telling the truth about bringing this up a lot yesterday. (I remember someone doing it, I just assume it was Galain).

[Korbas]

And i killed the thread.

[Korbas]

Fine,

Vote mockra

Talk

[Olar Ethil]

ok, back with a whole day to post. Catching up.

[Olar Ethil]

Caught up.

My initial thought upon reading Mockra's "Kill Karosis cause he can put together a case" post was along the lines of him being a finder. Trying to subtly get the thread to vote for him. That, coupled with what Eloth said right before he died, something about "If you let me live I will tell you someones role" (something like that, i'll go find it in a sec). Leads me to believe that Mockra might have a very similar role to Eloth.

vote Mockra




I don't think he is on my team, and if he does have info on Karosis, it hints that he has a similar role to Eloth who we KNOW could find info about other players.


Regarding the Galain sympage of Mockra, I don't buy it. If Mockra is what I think he is, an assassin, then Galain would have no reason to symp him. BUT, if Mockra is lynched, and comes back as a faction.... culture hunt time! It will be hard for Galain to extricate himself from Mockra after his posts above. So really, a Mockra lynch gives us 2 pieces of info.

EDIT: changed "hare" to "hard"

This post has been edited by Olar Ethil: 21 September 2012 - 04:32 PM

[Olar Ethil]

 Eloth, on 20 September 2012 - 12:04 PM, said:

And if you dont lynch me ill give you someones identity.

Here is the post I was talking about. Basically says he has an information finding ability.

[Mockra]

1. Reason I've been gone so long. Took a sleeping pill. Only got up ~30 minutes ago.2. Just finished reading posts from after I went to bed.3. Now have to go read Shin's filled in story.
Will post again shortly. However I have a doctor's appt. in an hour so will leave off any analysis for when I get back.

[Korbas]

That's 4 on mockra, i think. Anyone know how much time we have left?

[Mockra]

Ok, so we had a look at the head of the Ouchi signing a scroll that required his signature. And wishing somebody would make a mistake so that they could go to open war.

Then we have an Amako general nodding at his paymaster and this "He resisted the urge to glance back. It was irritating, having to use such methods, but he had to trust his instincts and hope this worked. If he could avoid war for as long as possible..."


That means we have now seen two of the three clans. In both cases they are doing something they find unwelcome. What I know of real Samurai culture is thin, but wouldn't hiring assassins make a Samurai unhappy?

Path-Shaper told us that:

• there are 3 clans struggling for dominance. We have yet to see any direct evidence of Hosokawa.
• There are factions. However, we were not directly told that the 3 factions are the 3 clans listed; we all inferred that but it was not stated explicitly.
• Per the lynch scene we know Eloth was working for for the Ashikaga shogun. So is the Ashikaga working to undermine Masamoto or is he simply using his own vassals to do Masamoto's bidding?
• Karosis pointed out that there is some ambiguity between "assassins" and "unaligned assassins" in the first two PS posts.
• Also no NKs

Off to the doctor now. I'll write my defense of my "contradictions" while there and post when I come back. Should be no more than an hour. Oh, 1 last thing: I wasn't joking when I said that Karosis scared me and I'd be willing to get rid of him for that alone. You'll notice however that I did'nt vote for him or anyone else.

[Korvalain]

 Korbas, on 21 September 2012 - 04:42 PM, said:

That's 4 on mockra, i think. Anyone know how much time we have left?

Just under 12 hours left.

[Korvalain]

 Mockra, on 21 September 2012 - 05:10 PM, said:

Ok, so we had a look at the head of the Ouchi signing a scroll that required his signature. And wishing somebody would make a mistake so that they could go to open war.

Then we have an Amako general nodding at his paymaster and this "He resisted the urge to glance back. It was irritating, having to use such methods, but he had to trust his instincts and hope this worked. If he could avoid war for as long as possible..."


That means we have now seen two of the three clans. In both cases they are doing something they find unwelcome. What I know of real Samurai culture is thin, but wouldn't hiring assassins make a Samurai unhappy?

Path-Shaper told us that:

• there are 3 clans struggling for dominance. We have yet to see any direct evidence of Hosokawa.
• There are factions. However, we were not directly told that the 3 factions are the 3 clans listed; we all inferred that but it was not stated explicitly.
• Per the lynch scene we know Eloth was working for for the Ashikaga shogun. So is the Ashikaga working to undermine Masamoto or is he simply using his own vassals to do Masamoto's bidding?
• Karosis pointed out that there is some ambiguity between "assassins" and "unaligned assassins" in the first two PS posts.
• Also no NKs

Off to the doctor now. I'll write my defense of my "contradictions" while there and post when I come back. Should be no more than an hour. Oh, 1 last thing: I wasn't joking when I said that Karosis scared me and I'd be willing to get rid of him for that alone. You'll notice however that I did'nt vote for him or anyone else.

Wasn't there mention of Hosokawa in the introduction post?

 Path-Shaper, on 19 September 2012 - 01:14 AM, said:

It is the early 1500's, in lands West of the Imperial capital, Kyoto. With the defeat of the Ashikaga in the East, it did not take much for Western clans to make their own strikes for power. Masamoto Hosokawa struck first. In a conflict between the Hosokawa and the Hatakeyama clan, shogun Yoshitane led troops against Masamoto.
The shogun was defeated.

Masamoto subsequently took control of Kyoto, and exiled Yoshitane, raising Ashikaga Yoshizumi to the post of shogun in his stead. Yoshizumi, however, was nothing more than Masamoto's puppet to control.

Seeing as Eloth was Ashikaga, and the Ashikaga is a Hosokawa puppet, Eloth could very well have been Hosokawa. I suppose it's a thin thread at best, but this could work with the Eloth having a find ability, and so someone else (i.e. you) may also have a find ability like Olar Ethil mentioned up thread. Anyway, all that to say that it's still kind of unclear whether Eloth was an assassin or not. He could just as easily have been one of the Hosokawa seeing as the Ashikaga Shogun is a Hosokawa puppet. I still believe that Eloth WAS an assassin, but I have been wrong before in Mafia, so I could very well be wrong again.

[D'riss]

Checking in.
@Meanas ref: standard game roles have been modified in past games.
Mockra confused me a couple of times yesterday but I'll withhold until I read his defense.

[Korbas]

'You'll notice i wasnt joking about karosis etc'

What is he implying? Can't tell if stalling or just doesnt realize he is being difficult. Stop implying implications and start giving us reasons that you're right. You're (kinda) on the chopping block right now.