[Kalse]

Telas, on 26 July 2012 - 07:17 PM, said:

Really? It took me about 30 seconds to look back and count that Emu was L-1 before I went to bed. And we had over an hour before the day ended when you posted that.

One hour before day ended is hardly a long time when for all I know the only people online have already voted

[Telas]

Kalse, on 26 July 2012 - 07:20 PM, said:

Telas, on 26 July 2012 - 07:17 PM, said:

Really? It took me about 30 seconds to look back and count that Emu was L-1 before I went to bed. And we had over an hour before the day ended when you posted that.

One hour before day ended is hardly a long time when for all I know the only people online have already voted

Which is enough time to, you know, look back and count.

[Path-Shaper]

Kaschan, on 26 July 2012 - 05:42 PM, said:

let me try this again, it's been a fun day so far and I have a meeting in about 30 minutes

Did anyone else notice the CF for Emur and Ruse were different? Does this have significance or just a P-S oversight?

That was just me being half asleep.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 23 hours and 28 minutes remaining
13 Players still alive: Atrahal, D'riss, Eloth, Kalse, Kaschan, Liosan, Osseric, Rashan, Sheltatha Lore, Sorrit, Telas, Tellan, Tennes

7 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Atrahal ( Liosan )
1 Vote for Tellan ( Tennes )

Players not voted: Atrahal, D'riss, Eloth, Kalse, Kaschan, Osseric, Rashan, Sheltatha Lore, Sorrit, Telas, Tellan

[Kalse]

Not if your feeling lazy at work it isn't...

But just for the sake of argument, say I did do it on purpose, asking for someone to hammer after I knew 100% that we had a lynch, what would it achieve?

And surely anyone who I was in cohort with would make sure not to risk being linked to me, by hammering unnecessarily

[Telas]

The problem is that we didn't get any real information from the lynch. Most/all of us expected Emu to CF inno, since calling attention to oneself with that foreign language stuff on day 1 would be stupid as a killer. Asking someone to hammer someone who was already lynched made it seem like you were desperate for any lynch regardless of what kind of information it would yield, though to be fair at that point it was unlikely the lynch train would have switched to Tellan.

[Sheltatha Lore]

ok, far less tiome than I thought for being online, officework keeping me busy.


I'm still not sure about Liosan. need a re-read to get a better grasp on Atrahal and Eloth.


One more hour, then i get to go home, and should have time to play properly.

[Atrahal]

Liosan, on 26 July 2012 - 05:55 PM, said:

-snip-

Atrahal gives us shit for piling onto the Emu train. After little action, he votes Emurlahn, but almost immediately changes his vote to Tellan. There were like 5-6 posts between his previous post and his vote on Emu - why didn't he just vote for Tellan in the first place? I find that a little suspect.

I'll share my own thoughts in a minute, but I want to respond to this first.

My probem, as I said several times, with piling on the the Emur train was that it left us with little time to explore other options. It also left players with little inclination to build another case, as they could be seen as trying to deflect the lynch, and they could be worried about splitting the votes and leading to a failed lynch.

Nothing was happening, so I decided to put my vote on Emurlahn to stop wasting time and dragging the end of the day out. While I was posting that, there were a number of other posts (I was posting from work and being continually interrupted). Once I saw the case on Tellan, I switched my vote to see if we could get a better lynch. I still think the case on Tellan was better. No one really believed the Emurlahn was scum, and I'm disappointed that we still seem to be voting off players who annoy us rather than thinking properly about the actions of potential scum.

In terms of the non-hammer vote, I had gone back to count and make sure, but it had been some time since the last PS post, and I knew there was a possibiity I had missed something. It was getting close to time out, so I voted to make sure. I had always said I would switch my vote to get a lynch, and with an Emurlahn lynch at least we have fewer suspects, and we won't go around all the same old arguments we had yesterday. If we hadn't lynched someone there would have been accusations of deflecting the lynch and we would have just ended up lynching Emurlahn anyway.

[Atrahal]

Liosan, on 26 July 2012 - 07:00 PM, said:

Kalse, on 26 July 2012 - 06:51 PM, said:

Liosan, on 26 July 2012 - 06:16 PM, said:

Hmm, after all that analyzing, I think my favourite for scum suspect right now is Atrahal, for giving us shit for voting Emu, then trying to hammer him after he had already been hammered. And his vote Emu, then vote Tellan within 5 minutes thing as well.

vote Atrahal

I think atrahal was just making sure we got a lynch. We have all hammered someone we didn't really want to vote for just to get a lynch.
Also he was voting for emur, who was town an then changed his mind, if emur had been found scum I'd be voting for atrahal right now, but he wasn't.

I'm not to impresses with Lios mass of cases right now...

I wouldn't really call it a mass of cases, but a review of all the people on the Emu train. I generally agree that there was probably at least one scum on that train, and for me, Atrahal was the most suspect. Why are you speaking for Atrahal, do you guys maybe have offline communications? Do you KNOW he voted for Emu for those reasons because he told you? Anyone who took two minutes to actually read the thread would have known that Sorrit had hammered.

If I had a dollar for every time someone decided that a player defending another player means that both of them are scum... I'd like you to read this REALLY CAREFULLY. If we were partners it would be very stupid of Kalse to jump to my defence after only one vote, especially this early in the day, and with so many other votes and suspects hanging around. Responding to a case is what happens in Mafia, and if someone disagrees with a case then it is up to them to question that case. That is the only way we are going to get enough information out on the board to make an informed decision. Your attack of Kalse really just looks like you trying to deflect suspicion because it is a poor case. You could have easily answered Kalse's reservations constructively, but instead you went on the attack, and it looks dodgy.

[Atrahal]

The one who sticks out most for me is Eloth. Quite apart from the lack of posts, there is very little content. This is the first comment from Eloth that caught my eye:

Eloth, on 25 July 2012 - 11:57 PM, said:

Ok, I'm gonna go to sleep and probably won't wake up until end of day.
I'm gonna vote Tellan because of him Accusing people of signalling twice.(on Ducks and Emur )
And that is not natural .

Vote Tellan

This was with 9 hours left in the day. There were not any other decent cases, and Eloth may have been able to build a train on Tellan if he had posted this earlier and managed to generate some discussion around it before leving for bed. But posting it and then leaving for hours means that he does not have to defend his case or further it in any way. This way he can say he is contributing without actually helping town at all.

Eloth, on 26 July 2012 - 12:17 PM, said:

Who is your main suspect right now?
I'm still thinking of Tellan as scum.

Eloth, on 26 July 2012 - 12:19 PM, said:

-snip-

So you are saying among Rashan, Sorrit, SL, Liosan, Tellan, Kalse, Osseric, Kaschan one of them is scum .
Which one do you suspect?

These next two posts are the only posts with content that have been posted by Eloth today. He sticks by his Tellan vote with no further discussion, even though there was more said about Tellan last night. He questions other people about their suspects but does not go into more detail about actual cases, so again it looks like he is being helpful and contributing when he is really doing nothing of the sort.

All that is tripping me up at the moment is the low posting. I accept that a good strategy for scum is coasting, not saying enough that they put themselves in danger, bbut just enough to look as if they are contributing. However, I find it difficult to believe that scum would draw attention to themselves by low posting to this extreme.

[Rashan]

Back and reading up, don't have a lot of time but I'll be back later.

[Eloth]

Atrahal, on 26 July 2012 - 10:13 PM, said:

The one who sticks out most for me is Eloth. Quite apart from the lack of posts, there is very little content. This is the first comment from Eloth that caught my eye:

Eloth, on 25 July 2012 - 11:57 PM, said:

Ok, I'm gonna go to sleep and probably won't wake up until end of day.
I'm gonna vote Tellan because of him Accusing people of signalling twice.(on Ducks and Emur )
And that is not natural .

Vote Tellan

This was with 9 hours left in the day. There were not any other decent cases, and Eloth may have been able to build a train on Tellan if he had posted this earlier and managed to generate some discussion around it before leving for bed. But posting it and then leaving for hours means that he does not have to defend his case or further it in any way. This way he can say he is contributing without actually helping town at all.

Eloth, on 26 July 2012 - 12:17 PM, said:

Who is your main suspect right now?
I'm still thinking of Tellan as scum.

Eloth, on 26 July 2012 - 12:19 PM, said:

-snip-

So you are saying among Rashan, Sorrit, SL, Liosan, Tellan, Kalse, Osseric, Kaschan one of them is scum .
Which one do you suspect?

These next two posts are the only posts with content that have been posted by Eloth today. He sticks by his Tellan vote with no further discussion, even though there was more said about Tellan last night. He questions other people about their suspects but does not go into more detail about actual cases, so again it looks like he is being helpful and contributing when he is really doing nothing of the sort.

All that is tripping me up at the moment is the low posting. I accept that a good strategy for scum is coasting, not saying enough that they put themselves in danger, bbut just enough to look as if they are contributing. However, I find it difficult to believe that scum would draw attention to themselves by low posting to this extreme.

So whats your point exactly?
I stick out --> Lynch me.
I'm not scum--> don't try to lynch me.
I asked people questions and people ignored me. What should i have done? What i did was leave for work.

[Atrahal]

Eloth, on 26 July 2012 - 10:21 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 26 July 2012 - 10:13 PM, said:

The one who sticks out most for me is Eloth. Quite apart from the lack of posts, there is very little content. This is the first comment from Eloth that caught my eye:

Eloth, on 25 July 2012 - 11:57 PM, said:

Ok, I'm gonna go to sleep and probably won't wake up until end of day.
I'm gonna vote Tellan because of him Accusing people of signalling twice.(on Ducks and Emur )
And that is not natural .

Vote Tellan

This was with 9 hours left in the day. There were not any other decent cases, and Eloth may have been able to build a train on Tellan if he had posted this earlier and managed to generate some discussion around it before leving for bed. But posting it and then leaving for hours means that he does not have to defend his case or further it in any way. This way he can say he is contributing without actually helping town at all.

Eloth, on 26 July 2012 - 12:17 PM, said:

Who is your main suspect right now?
I'm still thinking of Tellan as scum.

Eloth, on 26 July 2012 - 12:19 PM, said:

-snip-

So you are saying among Rashan, Sorrit, SL, Liosan, Tellan, Kalse, Osseric, Kaschan one of them is scum .
Which one do you suspect?

These next two posts are the only posts with content that have been posted by Eloth today. He sticks by his Tellan vote with no further discussion, even though there was more said about Tellan last night. He questions other people about their suspects but does not go into more detail about actual cases, so again it looks like he is being helpful and contributing when he is really doing nothing of the sort.

All that is tripping me up at the moment is the low posting. I accept that a good strategy for scum is coasting, not saying enough that they put themselves in danger, bbut just enough to look as if they are contributing. However, I find it difficult to believe that scum would draw attention to themselves by low posting to this extreme.

So whats your point exactly?
I stick out --> Lynch me.
I'm not scum--> don't try to lynch me.
I asked people questions and people ignored me. What should i have done? What i did was leave for work.

My point is, you are acting suspiciously. Maybe some other players have also found you suspicious, and will share their ideas, or maybe you will actually defend yoursef, and then together we can decide whether you are scummy or not. I'm putting my ideas out there, because people sharing their ideas and suspicions is what is going to get this game started properly. But instead you have no interest in really answering any of the problems I have with your play, and that gives no one anywhere else to go. I'm aware that there are problems with my case on you, and that is why I have not yet voted.

What should you have done? Elaborated further on your suspicions of Tellan. Is there anything Tellan has said since you voted for him the first time? Does that make you more or less likely to think he is scum? What are your thoughts on the other cases? Do you think that the case on me, for example, has merit? Why, or why not? are there any players you agree or disagree with? Seriously, anything that is going to give us more information is going to lead to scum being caught.

[Eloth]

Liosan, on 26 July 2012 - 05:55 PM, said:

Atrahal gives us shit for piling onto the Emu train. After little action, he votes Emurlahn, but almost immediately changes his vote to Tellan. There were like 5-6 posts between his previous post and his vote on Emu - why didn't he just vote for Tellan in the first place? I find that a little suspect.

Liosan, on 26 July 2012 - 05:55 PM, said:

Oh, and then Atrahal adds a vote just to be sure the hammer is actually a hammer. After having given us shit for voting Emurlahn.

You mean this two?
I think Lio is not giving us a case .He is simply pointing out His suspicions(yes I know people called it a case but that's just my opinion, You cant build three cases at the same time , can you?) . I actually find no merit in it . Sure it looks scummy behavior when put that way but :
1:For second post i would say you were simply as lazy as Kalse and just couldn't do a vote count.
2:For his first accusation you have given us explanations . While I'm not sure whether they are true or not I think i trust you.

For now.

[Eloth]

Tellan, on 26 July 2012 - 02:33 PM, said:

The people saying the pile up was too sudden smell like horseshit.

Welcome to time zones. Day was timing out at a very weird time for most of the U.S and Canada. I think the majority of votes (and certainly mine) came because we left for the night and wanted to make sure a lynch happened at all.

If you're going to vote me for that, have fun with your retardation.

If you have further questions, ask. I promise I'll be less rude if they're less retarded.


2nd order of business. LOL Venge dead again.

3rd order of business.

Osseric has made me feel extremely uncomfortable. Looking at a few of his posts from today.

Osseric, on 26 July 2012 - 10:47 AM, said:

Good morning my little darlings! I'm so sorry I wasn't around much yesterday. Some of the big wigs had a HUGE reception for a new baby, and would you believe I wasn't invited even though my co-workers were?! I had to crash the party just to bring a baby gift. I'm sure they are feeling guilty now for not thinking of me, and I'm sure I won't be forgotten again.

This sounds like an excuse as to why he was laying relatively low on day 1.

Osseric, on 26 July 2012 - 10:53 AM, said:

Poor little Emur/Mulan... I guess she must have accidentally hexed herself when she was speaking in all those languages...

Beware the darkness in your heart. The Heartless prey upon it.

This post (along with the avatar choice) makes me feel like Osseric is a scum that wants to taunt the rest at the end of the game. Pick something obviously evil, say evil things, and when we pass it off as town RP, he can laugh at us.

Osseric, on 26 July 2012 - 11:09 AM, said:

Alas.... I ALWAYS KNEW that princesses were scum. Just because you are the 'Mistress of All Evil' everyone always assumes YOU'RE THE ONE who's bad. They could have at least shared the duck...

Again. This RP is not helping, and makes me cry scum.


There are a few more. And this is just today, I didn't look at day 1 posts from him.

His first post in day two. He tries to build a case ( A shitty case) , Turning attention away from himself maybe?
After making a case he doesn't vote, although he says he is sure that Osseric is scum.

Tellan, on 26 July 2012 - 03:07 PM, said:

You're probably right. But it's still frustrating when people label me as likely scum because I needed sleep and left my vote on the bigger train.

He is ignoring D'riss post against him .

Tellan, on 26 July 2012 - 04:04 PM, said:

Well Osseric, there were about 6 hours before I would be leaving for the night, and as you can see there were no viable cases or trains. I was getting discussion roling so I could take advantage of the hours I had. Clearly nothing came of it, since we lynched Emurlahn anyway.

And here is his last post for which I have no comment.

I think he is coasting . He may be scum .

This post has been edited by Eloth: 26 July 2012 - 10:59 PM

[Eloth]

Atrahal, on 26 July 2012 - 10:34 PM, said:

Eloth, on 26 July 2012 - 10:21 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 26 July 2012 - 10:13 PM, said:

The one who sticks out most for me is Eloth. Quite apart from the lack of posts, there is very little content. This is the first comment from Eloth that caught my eye:

Eloth, on 25 July 2012 - 11:57 PM, said:

Ok, I'm gonna go to sleep and probably won't wake up until end of day.
I'm gonna vote Tellan because of him Accusing people of signalling twice.(on Ducks and Emur )
And that is not natural .

Vote Tellan

This was with 9 hours left in the day. There were not any other decent cases, and Eloth may have been able to build a train on Tellan if he had posted this earlier and managed to generate some discussion around it before leving for bed. But posting it and then leaving for hours means that he does not have to defend his case or further it in any way. This way he can say he is contributing without actually helping town at all.

Eloth, on 26 July 2012 - 12:17 PM, said:

Who is your main suspect right now?
I'm still thinking of Tellan as scum.

Eloth, on 26 July 2012 - 12:19 PM, said:

-snip-

So you are saying among Rashan, Sorrit, SL, Liosan, Tellan, Kalse, Osseric, Kaschan one of them is scum .
Which one do you suspect?

These next two posts are the only posts with content that have been posted by Eloth today. He sticks by his Tellan vote with no further discussion, even though there was more said about Tellan last night. He questions other people about their suspects but does not go into more detail about actual cases, so again it looks like he is being helpful and contributing when he is really doing nothing of the sort.

All that is tripping me up at the moment is the low posting. I accept that a good strategy for scum is coasting, not saying enough that they put themselves in danger, bbut just enough to look as if they are contributing. However, I find it difficult to believe that scum would draw attention to themselves by low posting to this extreme.

So whats your point exactly?
I stick out --> Lynch me.
I'm not scum--> don't try to lynch me.
I asked people questions and people ignored me. What should i have done? What i did was leave for work.

My point is, you are acting suspiciously. Maybe some other players have also found you suspicious, and will share their ideas, or maybe you will actually defend yoursef, and then together we can decide whether you are scummy or not. I'm putting my ideas out there, because people sharing their ideas and suspicions is what is going to get this game started properly. But instead you have no interest in really answering any of the problems I have with your play, and that gives no one anywhere else to go. I'm aware that there are problems with my case on you, and that is why I have not yet voted.

What should you have done? Elaborated further on your suspicions of Tellan. Is there anything Tellan has said since you voted for him the first time? Does that make you more or less likely to think he is scum? What are your thoughts on the other cases? Do you think that the case on me, for example, has merit? Why, or why not? are there any players you agree or disagree with? Seriously, anything that is going to give us more information is going to lead to scum being caught.

Defend myself? against which case?

[Rashan]

One thing I'm noticing as I'm reading through is that we all seem to have rather different ideas on what happened with yesterdays lynch. It's being described by different people as either a hurried lynch at the end of the day or one that built up too fast with plenty of time to spare. When I get back I'll take another look at this, but it might be good idea to take a look and establish some sort consensus, since people are working it into their cases.

I think it's fairly well established that most of the late people were on the train for the sake of not missing a lynch on day 1. I know it's a bit meta but in smaller games we have sometimes missed lynches just because people were not on in the later part of the day and that's incredibly frustrating hoping that the last few votes will trickle in as day starts timing out.


The case on Atrahal seems to consist of 'voting shenanigans!' but if that's the case I'd like to see why people think his behaviour is off, rather just stating that they believe it so.

I'm interested in this Tellen thing, since he's getting pressure from two sources, Eloth who votes, doesn't really explain and then leaves, and D'riss who built a fairly decent day 1 case on Tellen, which sadly would have been much better if it hadn't been 4 hours before the end of day. So I'd like more explanation from Eloth about this.

And I'm off! See you a bit later.

[Atrahal]

The other one who has caught my attention is Sheltatha Lore. He has a high post count which is mostly made up of RP. He voted Emurlahn for posting in other languages, but has no problem carrying on a conversation in French. He has contributed little to the actual discussion, and has not seriously considered anyone except Emurlahn for the lynch, despite initially removing his vote when Emurlahn started posting in English.

This is the sum total of his contribution to the case on Emurlahn:

Sheltatha Lore, on 26 July 2012 - 02:36 AM, said:

Emu really strikes me as more of a symp than anyone. foreign language RP has (traditionally) always caused shitstorms on Day 1, I don't see a full-fledged scum opening that can of worms upon themselves.

Sheltatha Lore, on 26 July 2012 - 02:51 AM, said:

personally, if I were to assume Emu is symp, I'd vote Lio. He was getting a bit of pressure following his accusations towards the duck avatars, and then he came up with a low-poster case against someone who wasn't around at the time, and EMu was the fist to jump on it, iirc.

it could be something a symp would do, but it's pretty thin.,

Sheltatha Lore, on 26 July 2012 - 03:57 AM, said:

i'd do it, but i'm already not voting him.

i'll be going to bed soon. I might hammer before I do.

He returns at the end of the day to put the nail in Emurlahn's coffin without even considering or mentioning the case on Tellan:

Sheltatha Lore, on 26 July 2012 - 06:05 AM, said:

thunder outside wokw me up ( i dozed off)

vote Emurlahn

cuz we need info. it'll pay off later on, and a no-lynch only helps scum.

"Because we need the lynch" is a convenient excuse, but we were still three hours from time out, and there were plenty of people online who had stated they were prepared to switch votes to get a lynch.

These following quotesare indicative of an unwillingness to join in the useful debate. He sticks to surface observations or off topic comments while other players are attempting to get the ball rolling on the real discussion.

Sheltatha Lore, on 25 July 2012 - 08:06 PM, said:

Tellan, on 25 July 2012 - 07:49 PM, said:

Night is timing out while I (and others, probably) will be asleep. So let;s make sure we can get a lynch here.

Not a lot of controversy today. I would be willing to vote Emurlahn for offering the opportunity for signaling (I know you will call it RP, I would argue if it is RP its lame and boring). Or the three ducks, just on the off chance they are signaling eachother.

I'm pretty sure Kaschan was the original duck, so there's that.

These choices are shit, but I haven't found anything better so far.

wrong. I was the first duck

Sheltatha Lore, on 25 July 2012 - 09:23 PM, said:

Eloth, on 25 July 2012 - 09:04 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on 25 July 2012 - 09:01 PM, said:

Eloth, on 25 July 2012 - 08:59 PM, said:

Liosan, on 25 July 2012 - 08:57 PM, said:

Eloth, on 25 July 2012 - 08:56 PM, said:

the reason why I haven't been Rping is my personal hatred for Disney ( and the fact that I know nothing of their stories. )

Why would you sign up for Disney MAFIA if you hate Disney?

Because its mafia . Disney hate doesn't mean i can't even touch it. It mostly means I try not to think of Cindrella& Sleeping beauty.(The only things i have seen of Disney.)

Disney is simple

1. There is a mouse
2. He is a really fucking big mouse
3. ???
4. Profit. (Like, boatloads of profit)

Disney for me: Little sister watching the same movie time and time again until a new one came out. Trying to study with Disney music in background. trying to play video games but NO ! Rapunzel is better and all that sort of thing...
So, no thank you.

You gaveb't watched the right movies.

Sword in Stone and Robin Hood are the shit.

[Tellan]

Then vote me, bitch.

Wait, you're not voting for the person you think -may- be scum, despite quoting their posts?

I don't understand, what's happening?


edit: Lots of crossposting. This is @ Eloth

This post has been edited by Tellan: 26 July 2012 - 11:10 PM

[Atrahal]

Eloth, on 26 July 2012 - 11:00 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 26 July 2012 - 10:34 PM, said:

Eloth, on 26 July 2012 - 10:21 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 26 July 2012 - 10:13 PM, said:

The one who sticks out most for me is Eloth. Quite apart from the lack of posts, there is very little content. This is the first comment from Eloth that caught my eye:

Eloth, on 25 July 2012 - 11:57 PM, said:

Ok, I'm gonna go to sleep and probably won't wake up until end of day.
I'm gonna vote Tellan because of him Accusing people of signalling twice.(on Ducks and Emur )
And that is not natural .

Vote Tellan

This was with 9 hours left in the day. There were not any other decent cases, and Eloth may have been able to build a train on Tellan if he had posted this earlier and managed to generate some discussion around it before leving for bed. But posting it and then leaving for hours means that he does not have to defend his case or further it in any way. This way he can say he is contributing without actually helping town at all.

Eloth, on 26 July 2012 - 12:17 PM, said:

Who is your main suspect right now?
I'm still thinking of Tellan as scum.

Eloth, on 26 July 2012 - 12:19 PM, said:

-snip-

So you are saying among Rashan, Sorrit, SL, Liosan, Tellan, Kalse, Osseric, Kaschan one of them is scum .
Which one do you suspect?

These next two posts are the only posts with content that have been posted by Eloth today. He sticks by his Tellan vote with no further discussion, even though there was more said about Tellan last night. He questions other people about their suspects but does not go into more detail about actual cases, so again it looks like he is being helpful and contributing when he is really doing nothing of the sort.

All that is tripping me up at the moment is the low posting. I accept that a good strategy for scum is coasting, not saying enough that they put themselves in danger, bbut just enough to look as if they are contributing. However, I find it difficult to believe that scum would draw attention to themselves by low posting to this extreme.

So whats your point exactly?
I stick out --> Lynch me.
I'm not scum--> don't try to lynch me.
I asked people questions and people ignored me. What should i have done? What i did was leave for work.

My point is, you are acting suspiciously. Maybe some other players have also found you suspicious, and will share their ideas, or maybe you will actually defend yoursef, and then together we can decide whether you are scummy or not. I'm putting my ideas out there, because people sharing their ideas and suspicions is what is going to get this game started properly. But instead you have no interest in really answering any of the problems I have with your play, and that gives no one anywhere else to go. I'm aware that there are problems with my case on you, and that is why I have not yet voted.

What should you have done? Elaborated further on your suspicions of Tellan. Is there anything Tellan has said since you voted for him the first time? Does that make you more or less likely to think he is scum? What are your thoughts on the other cases? Do you think that the case on me, for example, has merit? Why, or why not? are there any players you agree or disagree with? Seriously, anything that is going to give us more information is going to lead to scum being caught.

Defend myself? against which case?

All you said about my comments on your play was "So lynch me if you think I'm scummy". I was hoping you would actually respond to some of the individual things I have said. I can see that you have furthered your case on Tellan but you have said nothing about why you left your original case for us without providing an opportunity for us to discuss it with you.

Also, why do you think that mentioning two possible signalling opportunities is "not natural", and how does that correspond with scummy"?