[Spite]

I can't even read the thread right now but my wife just woke me up and my light was on, computer on, still half-sitting up, empty beer bottles...caught. Shit.

Back after my shower and commute.

[Korbas]

Flaw: voting for a possible symp on dday instead of the killer

And thank you for correcting me. . Your interaction with korv looks so much less damning when described that way /sarcasm

remove vote, vote ampelas

[Kaschan]

Yes, the person who was Nked and CFed town was accused of deflecting from me. Makes me look reeeeal scummy.

That's an interesting reveal, Silanah. Unfortunately I think we need to consider the possibility of a fake reveal. I'll wait for more people to log on and speak their mind before moving my vote. One possibility is that Silanah and Korbas are scum. The fact that Korbas is so insistent I am scum based on an outright lie and then believes Silanah without hesitation tells me something is up.

We have over 24 hours left, guys. Please don't speed lynch when we could be getting played.

[Silanah]

I swear, if you guys lynch anyone besides Ampelas, and end up losing the game for town, I'm going to laugh my ass off at you from Spoiler Heaven (I don't imagine I will survive another night). The fact that Ampelas crusaded for a no lynch on Day 1 should have been enough to prove he was scum. His counterarguments yesterday were shit, but you all just jumped on a bullshit case against Karosis that was built on a bunch of stupid assumptions. Let's get our acts together, lynch Ampelas, that will confirm my accusation, and you'll know to look at the four I previously mentioned for the last scum.

I note that Kaschan's on that list of four, and he has already called "fake reveal" on me.

[Kaschan]

I never claimed whether it was a fake reveal or not, only that we should review everything carefully instead of just going off your word that you are our finder. I admit that Ampelas has had a few scummy statements, but so has Korbas and Atrahal. TBH you haven't acted too scummy that I can recall, Silanah, but you have been implicated before and I don't think so little of our scum that not one of them could successfully play a clean game.

Did you happen to code your role or anything at the beginning of the game? It's not a fullproof method but it would definitely support the veracity of your reveal.


All I'm saying, is, let's not be rash and think this through. We have plenty of time.

[Silanah]

Kaschan, on 20 July 2012 - 02:06 PM, said:

I never claimed whether it was a fake reveal or not, only that we should review everything carefully instead of just going off your word that you are our finder. I admit that Ampelas has had a few scummy statements, but so has Korbas and Atrahal. TBH you haven't acted too scummy that I can recall, Silanah, but you have been implicated before and I don't think so little of our scum that not one of them could successfully play a clean game.

Did you happen to code your role or anything at the beginning of the game? It's not a fullproof method but it would definitely support the veracity of your reveal.


All I'm saying, is, let's not be rash and think this through. We have plenty of time.

Heck no, I don't ever reveal at the beginning of the game, cause I lack the subtlety necessary to get this across without making it REALLY obvious to the rest of the thread. I did everything I could to just keep myself alive until D Day, get as much information as I could before providing anything on thread. I tried to steer a lynch at Ampelas yesterday, but I was unsuccessful (as you all know) - guess I tried too hard. It's a shame, if we had managed to get Ampelas out yesterday, I would have had an extra night before D Day, which would have narrowed the pool of suspects down by another person or two. I probably would have found the other scum, but oh well, such is life in Mafia!

As for the rest of your message - Korbas, as I said, is definitely Inno, but Atrahal is one of the four that are possible scum, so he could very well be 2nd scum. Personally, like I said, my money's on Fener, but you're my second likeliest suspect. I originally was gonna do a find on you last night, but when Sorrit hammered Karosis with little comment as to why, I changed my find to him. Heck, you were my 'if target is lynched then find on' person for all three nights.

My find on Night 1 was originally on you, in fact, with Anthras as my secondary. But when Ampelas made the 'no lynch is acceptable' comment, I switched my find over to him. And I lucked out!

[Sorrit]

Wow... To believe or not believe the reveal. Korb and I have both voted for you, so calling us inno if you are a killer could be a good play for support from players that didn't trust you. I need to read more before I decide how to take this information. I've got a busy day ahead, so while I'll try and read, don't expect much from me for several hours.

[Atrahal]

Sorry for missing a day, I had to bring my comp in for repairs. I won't have time to catch up until later on this afternoon either.

[Ampelas]

Reading up.

[Ampelas]

Well that's iiiiiinteresting...

I don't believe it for a second - helps that I know I'm not scum, of course But furthermore I'm pretty sure I remember you doing something yesterday that wouldn't make the slightest bit of sense in conjunction with this reveal of yours... let me just go check on that

[Silanah]

Ampelas, on 20 July 2012 - 05:33 PM, said:

Well that's iiiiiinteresting...

I don't believe it for a second - helps that I know I'm not scum, of course But furthermore I'm pretty sure I remember you doing something yesterday that wouldn't make the slightest bit of sense in conjunction with this reveal of yours... let me just go check on that

Well in order to not reveal that I am a finder, it would only make sense for me to do things that go against my reveal. I didn't want anyone to suspect so that I wouldn't get lynched. *shrugs*

And stop lying, you're scum you scummy scumster!

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 5. 21 hours and 59 minutes remaining

8 Players still alive: Ampelas, Atrahal, Fener, Kaschan, Korbas, Silanah, Sorrit, Spite

5 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Ampelas ( Silanah, Korbas )
1 Vote for Korbas ( Kaschan )

Players not voted: Ampelas, Atrahal, Fener, Sorrit, Spite
----<>----

FYI, weekend break will start when this day times out (which should be, rather conveniently, in the early afternoon of saturday for me) or when this day ends with a lynch.

[Silanah]

Silanah, on 20 July 2012 - 05:43 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 20 July 2012 - 05:33 PM, said:

Well that's iiiiiinteresting...

I don't believe it for a second - helps that I know I'm not scum, of course But furthermore I'm pretty sure I remember you doing something yesterday that wouldn't make the slightest bit of sense in conjunction with this reveal of yours... let me just go check on that

Well in order to not reveal that I am a finder, it would only make sense for me to do things that go against my reveal. I didn't want anyone to suspect so that I wouldn't get lynched. *shrugs*

And stop lying, you're scum you scummy scumster!

...and by lynched I meant NK'd, I was worried about getting NK'd.

[Ampelas]

Ok, so Sil's reveal is that she is a finder and found me as scum night 1, Korbas as inno night 2 and Sorrit as inno night 3. If this were true, this would mean she had me down as scum from the very start of day 2. In her own words, she was "campaigning hard at me" yesterday.

So, go back and re-read day 2 everyone, it's not that long. Sil, early in the day, makes a summary post of every other player and concludes by voting me. Ok, that's not much content for a case, but it still goes with her reveal. But then again, if I were scum and was gonna fake reveal on D-Day I'd pick the person I voted for previously as scum, too.

Thing is, after that pair of summary posts, Sil hardly pushes her "case" at all. She posts it, votes and most people only comment a little or ignore it outright. She's online plenty afterwards, but doesn't draw anyone's attention to it, doesn't try to reiterate it, doesn't ask for anyone to comment on it or anything. Sure, she trash-talks and strawmans me a bunch, but not in the context of her case at all and therefore not pushing other players to vote for me. That's not unusual for most "cases", where nothing is certain, but she's claiming that she had certain knowledge that I was scum at this point, so why isn't she trying harder?

And then the end of day approaches and...

Silanah, on 20 July 2012 - 02:18 AM, said:

Well, I am heading to bed. Amp case is obviously not going anywhere today. In the interest of getting a lynch:

remove vote
vote Karosis

WHAT?!

So Sil, you're claiming that you KNEW that I was scum, and you still decided to change votes to the person that *I* had built a case on? You thought "Well I know for sure that Amp is scum, but maybe he's throwing his partner under the bus on day 2 for shits and giggles, so I better vote for Karosis?"

Voting "in the interest of getting a lynch" makes sense for an RI, who has no information but what is on-thread. It makes sense for a finder who doesn't know the lynch train target's alignment. But it makes ABSOLUTELY NO FUCKING SENSE for someone who is town to vote for someone that they can deduce with 99% certainty is also town.

That is not how a finder would act. That is now how TOWN would act.

Your reveal is shit because you are scum who didn't think it through and are just trying to steer the thread into an easy town lynch on D-Day.

Vote Silanah

[Silanah]

Ampelas, on 20 July 2012 - 05:50 PM, said:

Ok, so Sil's reveal is that she is a finder and found me as scum night 1, Korbas as inno night 2 and Sorrit as inno night 3. If this were true, this would mean she had me down as scum from the very start of day 2. In her own words, she was "campaigning hard at me" yesterday.

So, go back and re-read day 2 everyone, it's not that long. Sil, early in the day, makes a summary post of every other player and concludes by voting me. Ok, that's not much content for a case, but it still goes with her reveal. But then again, if I were scum and was gonna fake reveal on D-Day I'd pick the person I voted for previously as scum, too.

Thing is, after that pair of summary posts, Sil hardly pushes her "case" at all. She posts it, votes and most people only comment a little or ignore it outright. She's online plenty afterwards, but doesn't draw anyone's attention to it, doesn't try to reiterate it, doesn't ask for anyone to comment on it or anything. Sure, she trash-talks and strawmans me a bunch, but not in the context of her case at all and therefore not pushing other players to vote for me. That's not unusual for most "cases", where nothing is certain, but she's claiming that she had certain knowledge that I was scum at this point, so why isn't she trying harder?

And then the end of day approaches and...

Silanah, on 20 July 2012 - 02:18 AM, said:

Well, I am heading to bed. Amp case is obviously not going anywhere today. In the interest of getting a lynch:

remove vote
vote Karosis

WHAT?!

So Sil, you're claiming that you KNEW that I was scum, and you still decided to change votes to the person that *I* had built a case on? You thought "Well I know for sure that Amp is scum, but maybe he's throwing his partner under the bus on day 2 for shits and giggles, so I better vote for Karosis?"

Voting "in the interest of getting a lynch" makes sense for an RI, who has no information but what is on-thread. It makes sense for a finder who doesn't know the lynch train target's alignment. But it makes ABSOLUTELY NO FUCKING SENSE for someone who is town to vote for someone that they can deduce with 99% certainty is also town.

That is not how a finder would act. That is now how TOWN would act.

Your reveal is shit because you are scum who didn't think it through and are just trying to steer the thread into an easy town lynch on D-Day.

Vote Silanah

Oooh, another scintillatingly crap case from Ampelas.

Regardless of whether I knew you were scum or not, there is still the possibility that Karosis was a symp - so it wasn't 99% certain that he was town, at best it was only about 88% chance. Heh. Anyway, you're right, I shouldn't have voted for Karosis, really, but after having been called out on my noting that I MAY not vote for a lynch by both you and Fener after having given you so much shit for your 'no lynch is acceptable' line, I felt it was necessary for me to keep up appearances.

And honestly, you spent a good few posts yesterday giving people shit for putting a bunch of useless shit on thread, bits and pieces of arguments and stuff. I did not feel the need to push the same case anymore. Everyone knew how I felt about you, and because you posted next to nothing in terms of content during Day 1, and your only content was your case against Karosis on Day 2, there was really nothing for me to add.

Ampelas, you're scum, and you've found a good piece of information to make me look bad, I'll give you that. I guess all we can do is wait to see what the rest of the thread thinks. I'm hoping they will listen to me, as they should, and realize that you're scum trying to discredit someone with very little.

[Silanah]

Silanah, on 20 July 2012 - 05:58 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 20 July 2012 - 05:50 PM, said:

Ok, so Sil's reveal is that she is a finder and found me as scum night 1, Korbas as inno night 2 and Sorrit as inno night 3. If this were true, this would mean she had me down as scum from the very start of day 2. In her own words, she was "campaigning hard at me" yesterday.

So, go back and re-read day 2 everyone, it's not that long. Sil, early in the day, makes a summary post of every other player and concludes by voting me. Ok, that's not much content for a case, but it still goes with her reveal. But then again, if I were scum and was gonna fake reveal on D-Day I'd pick the person I voted for previously as scum, too.

Thing is, after that pair of summary posts, Sil hardly pushes her "case" at all. She posts it, votes and most people only comment a little or ignore it outright. She's online plenty afterwards, but doesn't draw anyone's attention to it, doesn't try to reiterate it, doesn't ask for anyone to comment on it or anything. Sure, she trash-talks and strawmans me a bunch, but not in the context of her case at all and therefore not pushing other players to vote for me. That's not unusual for most "cases", where nothing is certain, but she's claiming that she had certain knowledge that I was scum at this point, so why isn't she trying harder?

And then the end of day approaches and...

Silanah, on 20 July 2012 - 02:18 AM, said:

Well, I am heading to bed. Amp case is obviously not going anywhere today. In the interest of getting a lynch:

remove vote
vote Karosis

WHAT?!

So Sil, you're claiming that you KNEW that I was scum, and you still decided to change votes to the person that *I* had built a case on? You thought "Well I know for sure that Amp is scum, but maybe he's throwing his partner under the bus on day 2 for shits and giggles, so I better vote for Karosis?"

Voting "in the interest of getting a lynch" makes sense for an RI, who has no information but what is on-thread. It makes sense for a finder who doesn't know the lynch train target's alignment. But it makes ABSOLUTELY NO FUCKING SENSE for someone who is town to vote for someone that they can deduce with 99% certainty is also town.

That is not how a finder would act. That is now how TOWN would act.

Your reveal is shit because you are scum who didn't think it through and are just trying to steer the thread into an easy town lynch on D-Day.

Vote Silanah

Oooh, another scintillatingly crap case from Ampelas.

Regardless of whether I knew you were scum or not, there is still the possibility that Karosis was a symp - so it wasn't 99% certain that he was town, at best it was only about 88% chance. Heh. Anyway, you're right, I shouldn't have voted for Karosis, really, but after having been called out on my noting that I MAY not vote for a lynch by both you and Fener after having given you so much shit for your 'no lynch is acceptable' line, I felt it was necessary for me to keep up appearances.

And honestly, you spent a good few posts yesterday giving people shit for putting a bunch of useless shit on thread, bits and pieces of arguments and stuff. I did not feel the need to push the same case anymore. Everyone knew how I felt about you, and because you posted next to nothing in terms of content during Day 1, and your only content was your case against Karosis on Day 2, there was really nothing for me to add.

Ampelas, you're scum, and you've found a good piece of information to make me look bad, I'll give you that. I guess all we can do is wait to see what the rest of the thread thinks. I'm hoping they will listen to me, as they should, and realize that you're scum trying to discredit someone with very little.

That all being said, this may not be D Day. We still don't know for sure if there actually was a symp, or if we have already killed the symp. If you guys lynch me, when you find out that I'm a finder (or at least that I am town if PS doesn't give out the roles), if you make it to Day 4, lynch Ampelas, he's scum. Korbas and Sorrit are town.

[Ampelas]

Silanah, on 20 July 2012 - 05:58 PM, said:

but after having been called out on my noting that I MAY not vote for a lynch by both you and Fener after having given you so much shit for your 'no lynch is acceptable' line, I felt it was necessary for me to keep up appearances.

Oh yeah, definitely, because when I play finder and find scum, I'm always really concerned what the person ***I just found scum*** thinks of me. Heavens forbid the person I know is scum and am trying to get lynched think I'm a bit hypocritical, it's far better to sit back and not push my case at all and just let town get lynched some more. That is some solid finder play, there.

[Silanah]

I was more worried about how everyone else would take it, I couldn't care less what you think of me. Truth be told, this is my first game as a finder, and the Karosis thing was a mistake which I hadn't really thought through. I have admitted it, and I realize it will probably get me lynched, which sucks, cause it'll probably be the move that loses the game for town. All I can do now is hurry up and wait, I suppose.

[Korbas]

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This picture's action screams mafia.

[Fener]

Silanah is talking shit. This is a counter reveal.

I am the finder. First night I checked Kaschan. Second I checked Korbas. Last night I checked Atrahal. I got inno returned for all three.

I also coded it into a post when I had time a bit after I arrived (think it was probably day two?).

Vote Silanah