[Silanah]

Fener, on 20 July 2012 - 08:12 PM, said:

Silanah is talking shit. This is a counter reveal.

I am the finder. First night I checked Kaschan. Second I checked Korbas. Last night I checked Atrahal. I got inno returned for all three.

I also coded it into a post when I had time a bit after I arrived (think it was probably day two?).

Vote Silanah

Heh, so you're the second scum then, are you?

So what will it be town? Lynch me or lynch Ampelas? This is probably a win or lose decision on all your parts. Fener is lying above, unless there were two finders this game, which I doubt.

It's a dangerous game you're playing Fener - if your symp is already gone, then today isn't D-Day, so if I get lynched, you and Ampelas are going to get lynched real quick-like when they see my CF. The only other possibility I can think of is that Fener is Ampelas' symp, which would mean that today IS D-Day and the other scum is still hiding... *shrugs* Either way, good luck, and we'll see ya on the other side!

[Fener]

The code is in the first paragraph.

Take the first letter, of the third word, of each sentence.

Fener, on 18 July 2012 - 02:39 AM, said:

I'm not greatly convinced on Silanah as his master. The early joke/spam could be signalling, or it could just be spam - that's the problem with spam. It is odd to title a link simply "scum!!", thus underlining it. My issue essentially is that the link to Sil doesn't really seem as damning, in fact, that's my general problem. Anthras himself feels very scummy, but the connections to potential masters seem weaker (and there's the possibility of fake symping). The strongest suggestion towards his master is the Kaschan train but there's problems there too, such as whether or not a master would stick his neck out for symp (in the event of the train gaining steam, which I'm not really convinced it looked like doing), or even follow at all rather than let the symp stir it up.

Anthras himself seems very scummy, but Sil hasn't struck me too badly. The connection isn't bad, and I would support a Sil lynch, but Anthras seems the scummier of the pair - he is more likely a symp, but I'm not ruling master out as a possibility, and I'm much surer of him as scum at all than Sil.

This gives us the letters: g j o e f s
Move each down one alphabetically and we have: f i n d e r

And there you have it.

[Silanah]

Fener, on 20 July 2012 - 08:24 PM, said:

The code is in the first paragraph.

Take the first letter, of the third word, of each sentence.

Fener, on 18 July 2012 - 02:39 AM, said:

I'm not greatly convinced on Silanah as his master. The early joke/spam could be signalling, or it could just be spam - that's the problem with spam. It is odd to title a link simply "scum!!", thus underlining it. My issue essentially is that the link to Sil doesn't really seem as damning, in fact, that's my general problem. Anthras himself feels very scummy, but the connections to potential masters seem weaker (and there's the possibility of fake symping). The strongest suggestion towards his master is the Kaschan train but there's problems there too, such as whether or not a master would stick his neck out for symp (in the event of the train gaining steam, which I'm not really convinced it looked like doing), or even follow at all rather than let the symp stir it up.

Anthras himself seems very scummy, but Sil hasn't struck me too badly. The connection isn't bad, and I would support a Sil lynch, but Anthras seems the scummier of the pair - he is more likely a symp, but I'm not ruling master out as a possibility, and I'm much surer of him as scum at all than Sil.

This gives us the letters: g j o e f s
Move each down one alphabetically and we have: f i n d e r

And there you have it.

LoL, it'd be hilarious if that's how ridiculous these Mafia games were.

[Fener]

Silanah, on 20 July 2012 - 08:20 PM, said:

Fener, on 20 July 2012 - 08:12 PM, said:

Silanah is talking shit. This is a counter reveal.

I am the finder. First night I checked Kaschan. Second I checked Korbas. Last night I checked Atrahal. I got inno returned for all three.

I also coded it into a post when I had time a bit after I arrived (think it was probably day two?).

Vote Silanah

Heh, so you're the second scum then, are you?

So what will it be town? Lynch me or lynch Ampelas? This is probably a win or lose decision on all your parts. Fener is lying above, unless there were two finders this game, which I doubt.

It's a dangerous game you're playing Fener - if your symp is already gone, then today isn't D-Day, so if I get lynched, you and Ampelas are going to get lynched real quick-like when they see my CF. The only other possibility I can think of is that Fener is Ampelas' symp, which would mean that today IS D-Day and the other scum is still hiding... *shrugs* Either way, good luck, and we'll see ya on the other side!

And you're apparently a finder who decided to wait until it's potentially D-Day - when the claim may not be safely testable - to reveal after finding scum night one. And conveniently it's the same person who has been getting mentioned a lot recently. Right.

[Silanah]

Fener, on 20 July 2012 - 08:24 PM, said:

The code is in the first paragraph.

Take the first letter, of the third word, of each sentence.

Fener, on 18 July 2012 - 02:39 AM, said:

I'm not greatly convinced on Silanah as his master. The early joke/spam could be signalling, or it could just be spam - that's the problem with spam. It is odd to title a link simply "scum!!", thus underlining it. My issue essentially is that the link to Sil doesn't really seem as damning, in fact, that's my general problem. Anthras himself feels very scummy, but the connections to potential masters seem weaker (and there's the possibility of fake symping). The strongest suggestion towards his master is the Kaschan train but there's problems there too, such as whether or not a master would stick his neck out for symp (in the event of the train gaining steam, which I'm not really convinced it looked like doing), or even follow at all rather than let the symp stir it up.

Anthras himself seems very scummy, but Sil hasn't struck me too badly. The connection isn't bad, and I would support a Sil lynch, but Anthras seems the scummier of the pair - he is more likely a symp, but I'm not ruling master out as a possibility, and I'm much surer of him as scum at all than Sil.

This gives us the letters: g j o e f s
Move each down one alphabetically and we have: f i n d e r

And there you have it.

Incidentally, if anyone believes that Fener is the finder after this post, you're idiots.

[Fener]

Silanah, on 20 July 2012 - 08:27 PM, said:

Fener, on 20 July 2012 - 08:24 PM, said:

The code is in the first paragraph.

Take the first letter, of the third word, of each sentence.

Fener, on 18 July 2012 - 02:39 AM, said:

I'm not greatly convinced on Silanah as his master. The early joke/spam could be signalling, or it could just be spam - that's the problem with spam. It is odd to title a link simply "scum!!", thus underlining it. My issue essentially is that the link to Sil doesn't really seem as damning, in fact, that's my general problem. Anthras himself feels very scummy, but the connections to potential masters seem weaker (and there's the possibility of fake symping). The strongest suggestion towards his master is the Kaschan train but there's problems there too, such as whether or not a master would stick his neck out for symp (in the event of the train gaining steam, which I'm not really convinced it looked like doing), or even follow at all rather than let the symp stir it up.

Anthras himself seems very scummy, but Sil hasn't struck me too badly. The connection isn't bad, and I would support a Sil lynch, but Anthras seems the scummier of the pair - he is more likely a symp, but I'm not ruling master out as a possibility, and I'm much surer of him as scum at all than Sil.

This gives us the letters: g j o e f s
Move each down one alphabetically and we have: f i n d e r

And there you have it.

Incidentally, if anyone believes that Fener is the finder after this post, you're idiots.

I didn't say it proved anything. That is not what codes are used for.

[Silanah]

Fener, on 20 July 2012 - 08:27 PM, said:

Silanah, on 20 July 2012 - 08:20 PM, said:

Fener, on 20 July 2012 - 08:12 PM, said:

Silanah is talking shit. This is a counter reveal.

I am the finder. First night I checked Kaschan. Second I checked Korbas. Last night I checked Atrahal. I got inno returned for all three.

I also coded it into a post when I had time a bit after I arrived (think it was probably day two?).

Vote Silanah

Heh, so you're the second scum then, are you?

So what will it be town? Lynch me or lynch Ampelas? This is probably a win or lose decision on all your parts. Fener is lying above, unless there were two finders this game, which I doubt.

It's a dangerous game you're playing Fener - if your symp is already gone, then today isn't D-Day, so if I get lynched, you and Ampelas are going to get lynched real quick-like when they see my CF. The only other possibility I can think of is that Fener is Ampelas' symp, which would mean that today IS D-Day and the other scum is still hiding... *shrugs* Either way, good luck, and we'll see ya on the other side!

And you're apparently a finder who decided to wait until it's potentially D-Day - when the claim may not be safely testable - to reveal after finding scum night one. And conveniently it's the same person who has been getting mentioned a lot recently. Right.

I did what I did to get as much information as I could before it would be useless. I was holding out in hopes of finding the other scum player, it's a shame that didn't happen. Anyway, if that's not what I should have done, sorry, like I said, first time playing as a finder, and last game I played with a finder, they didn't reveal at all, so we didn't get any information. I felt that revealing too early would hurt town - if I had revealed after Night 1, the only info we would have had was that Ampelas was scum. This way, the pool of candidates for 2nd scum is effectively halved. I now know that Ampelas is scum, and that myself, Korbas and Sorrit are inno - that means there are only four people who are potentially scum. If I had revealed, I'd be dead right now, and you'd have to find the last scum amongst 8 players instead of 4.

The way I see it is that if you lynch me, even if I were scum, you'd have to find the other scum amongst 6 players during Day 5. If you lynch Ampelas, and you find out that my reveal was true, you'll only have to search amongst 4 players, and Fener is likely to be the other scum. Statistically, I think it makes more sense to take your chances on me than it does to take your chances on Ampelas and Fener.

[Fener]

Silanah, on 20 July 2012 - 08:34 PM, said:

Fener, on 20 July 2012 - 08:27 PM, said:

Silanah, on 20 July 2012 - 08:20 PM, said:

Fener, on 20 July 2012 - 08:12 PM, said:

Silanah is talking shit. This is a counter reveal.

I am the finder. First night I checked Kaschan. Second I checked Korbas. Last night I checked Atrahal. I got inno returned for all three.

I also coded it into a post when I had time a bit after I arrived (think it was probably day two?).

Vote Silanah

Heh, so you're the second scum then, are you?

So what will it be town? Lynch me or lynch Ampelas? This is probably a win or lose decision on all your parts. Fener is lying above, unless there were two finders this game, which I doubt.

It's a dangerous game you're playing Fener - if your symp is already gone, then today isn't D-Day, so if I get lynched, you and Ampelas are going to get lynched real quick-like when they see my CF. The only other possibility I can think of is that Fener is Ampelas' symp, which would mean that today IS D-Day and the other scum is still hiding... *shrugs* Either way, good luck, and we'll see ya on the other side!

And you're apparently a finder who decided to wait until it's potentially D-Day - when the claim may not be safely testable - to reveal after finding scum night one. And conveniently it's the same person who has been getting mentioned a lot recently. Right.

I did what I did to get as much information as I could before it would be useless. I was holding out in hopes of finding the other scum player, it's a shame that didn't happen. Anyway, if that's not what I should have done, sorry, like I said, first time playing as a finder, and last game I played with a finder, they didn't reveal at all, so we didn't get any information. I felt that revealing too early would hurt town - if I had revealed after Night 1, the only info we would have had was that Ampelas was scum. This way, the pool of candidates for 2nd scum is effectively halved. I now know that Ampelas is scum, and that myself, Korbas and Sorrit are inno - that means there are only four people who are potentially scum. If I had revealed, I'd be dead right now, and you'd have to find the last scum amongst 8 players instead of 4.

The way I see it is that if you lynch me, even if I were scum, you'd have to find the other scum amongst 6 players during Day 5. If you lynch Ampelas, and you find out that my reveal was true, you'll only have to search amongst 4 players, and Fener is likely to be the other scum. Statistically, I think it makes more sense to take your chances on me than it does to take your chances on Ampelas and Fener.

If you were trying to get as much information as you could before revealing, to be as useful as possible, you would've revealed before what is potentially D-Day, when such claims are not safely testable and as such as far more useful.

Playing the noob card is not an excuse for play that does not make sense. Particularly when you have shown on thread that you are perfectly capable of simple reasoning.

[Fener]

Also, your statistics are wrong. The inno pool would be the same. Either way we would have a finder having cleared the same number of people. Indeed, if you were lynched, it would probably be smaller for practical purposes, since amp would be VPI.

This seems besides the point though. Today is potentially D-Day, so playing based on anything other than most likely scum at this point is a terrible idea.

[Korbas]

Yea!!!! I'm inno regardless of which person is finder

[Korbas]

Oh, and

Remove Vote

[Atrahal]

Is it possible that Fener and Sil are both finders? In that case, I think it possible that Sil found out Amp was scum, and Fener checked out his three as innocent. Silanah only said it was likely that Fener was the other scum, but did not actually check (I may be mistaken, I sort of skimmed through what I missed since yesterday). Is it better to just vote Amp in this case? I'm going to have to spend some more time on this.

[Fener]

Atrahal, on 20 July 2012 - 08:59 PM, said:

Is it possible that Fener and Sil are both finders? In that case, I think it possible that Sil found out Amp was scum, and Fener checked out his three as innocent. Silanah only said it was likely that Fener was the other scum, but did not actually check (I may be mistaken, I sort of skimmed through what I missed since yesterday). Is it better to just vote Amp in this case? I'm going to have to spend some more time on this.

It is extremely unlikely that we are both finders, from a balance point of view. It's not something that is really ever done in M&P, and for good reason.

[Korbas]

Fener, on 20 July 2012 - 08:30 PM, said:

Silanah, on 20 July 2012 - 08:27 PM, said:

Fener, on 20 July 2012 - 08:24 PM, said:

The code is in the first paragraph.

Take the first letter, of the third word, of each sentence.

Fener, on 18 July 2012 - 02:39 AM, said:

I'm not greatly convinced on Silanah as his master. The early joke/spam could be signalling, or it could just be spam - that's the problem with spam. It is odd to title a link simply "scum!!", thus underlining it. My issue essentially is that the link to Sil doesn't really seem as damning, in fact, that's my general problem. Anthras himself feels very scummy, but the connections to potential masters seem weaker (and there's the possibility of fake symping). The strongest suggestion towards his master is the Kaschan train but there's problems there too, such as whether or not a master would stick his neck out for symp (in the event of the train gaining steam, which I'm not really convinced it looked like doing), or even follow at all rather than let the symp stir it up.

Anthras himself seems very scummy, but Sil hasn't struck me too badly. The connection isn't bad, and I would support a Sil lynch, but Anthras seems the scummier of the pair - he is more likely a symp, but I'm not ruling master out as a possibility, and I'm much surer of him as scum at all than Sil.

This gives us the letters: g j o e f s
Move each down one alphabetically and we have: f i n d e r

And there you have it.

Incidentally, if anyone believes that Fener is the finder after this post, you're idiots.

I didn't say it proved anything. That is not what codes are used for.

Yeah, the problem here is that making such a code takes a lot of foresight, and I find a hard time believing this is just a random pattern fener happened to find in one of his posts.

[Korbas]

So, I'm on both lists, good for me . Sorrit is inno on Sil's list and Kasch and Atrahal are inno on Feners.

Fener and Amp or just Sil are scum.

The only player not accounted for is Spite.

8 players, maximum of 3 scum with 5 townies. Tomorrow 3 to 3 if we are really unlucky.

I think there are paired scum killers with one symp. I think very likely the symp is dead, but I'm not going to risk it all on that bet.

If Sil is scum (symp or killer) I would wonder if she would try to clear her partner/master in crime (namely Sorrit).
If Fener is scum, that would mean Amp was his partner or master. He too could be trying to clear someone, namely Atrahal or Kasch.

You know, I do like the code, and I've been more leery of Sil all game.

Vote Silanah.

Nice try dear.

[Korbas]

Silanah, on 20 July 2012 - 05:58 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 20 July 2012 - 05:50 PM, said:

Ok, so Sil's reveal is that she is a finder and found me as scum night 1, Korbas as inno night 2 and Sorrit as inno night 3. If this were true, this would mean she had me down as scum from the very start of day 2. In her own words, she was "campaigning hard at me" yesterday.

So, go back and re-read day 2 everyone, it's not that long. Sil, early in the day, makes a summary post of every other player and concludes by voting me. Ok, that's not much content for a case, but it still goes with her reveal. But then again, if I were scum and was gonna fake reveal on D-Day I'd pick the person I voted for previously as scum, too.

Thing is, after that pair of summary posts, Sil hardly pushes her "case" at all. She posts it, votes and most people only comment a little or ignore it outright. She's online plenty afterwards, but doesn't draw anyone's attention to it, doesn't try to reiterate it, doesn't ask for anyone to comment on it or anything. Sure, she trash-talks and strawmans me a bunch, but not in the context of her case at all and therefore not pushing other players to vote for me. That's not unusual for most "cases", where nothing is certain, but she's claiming that she had certain knowledge that I was scum at this point, so why isn't she trying harder?

And then the end of day approaches and...

Silanah, on 20 July 2012 - 02:18 AM, said:

Well, I am heading to bed. Amp case is obviously not going anywhere today. In the interest of getting a lynch:

remove vote
vote Karosis

WHAT?!

So Sil, you're claiming that you KNEW that I was scum, and you still decided to change votes to the person that *I* had built a case on? You thought "Well I know for sure that Amp is scum, but maybe he's throwing his partner under the bus on day 2 for shits and giggles, so I better vote for Karosis?"

Voting "in the interest of getting a lynch" makes sense for an RI, who has no information but what is on-thread. It makes sense for a finder who doesn't know the lynch train target's alignment. But it makes ABSOLUTELY NO FUCKING SENSE for someone who is town to vote for someone that they can deduce with 99% certainty is also town.

That is not how a finder would act. That is now how TOWN would act.

Your reveal is shit because you are scum who didn't think it through and are just trying to steer the thread into an easy town lynch on D-Day.

Vote Silanah

Oooh, another scintillatingly crap case from Ampelas.

Regardless of whether I knew you were scum or not, there is still the possibility that Karosis was a symp - so it wasn't 99% certain that he was town, at best it was only about 88% chance. Heh. Anyway, you're right, I shouldn't have voted for Karosis, really, but after having been called out on my noting that I MAY not vote for a lynch by both you and Fener after having given you so much shit for your 'no lynch is acceptable' line, I felt it was necessary for me to keep up appearances.

And honestly, you spent a good few posts yesterday giving people shit for putting a bunch of useless shit on thread, bits and pieces of arguments and stuff. I did not feel the need to push the same case anymore. Everyone knew how I felt about you, and because you posted next to nothing in terms of content during Day 1, and your only content was your case against Karosis on Day 2, there was really nothing for me to add.

Ampelas, you're scum, and you've found a good piece of information to make me look bad, I'll give you that. I guess all we can do is wait to see what the rest of the thread thinks. I'm hoping they will listen to me, as they should, and realize that you're scum trying to discredit someone with very little.

Also, this ^ . A good case by Ampelas made better by the now strong suspicion on Sil's finder status. And a very weak response from Sil I might add.

[Silanah]

Honestly I don't know what else I could say. Like I said, Amp's thing was a mistake on my part, I didn't think about what I was doing when I did it. Was going to bed and put my vote on the likely train. And Fener's reveal is bullshit, but there's no way for me to prove that, specially since Fener had the forethought to set up a code during Day 2 to back up his story.

Anyway, it looks like the lynch is going to end up heading my way, so good luck to the rest of town if today isn't D-Day. I'm not going to bother trying to argue it anymore, Fener and Amp have made a pretty good case against me, and the only thing I can do at this point is to hope that you guys won't believe Fener's counter-reveal, though I understand if you do. Such is life.

If the lynch ends up going my way, Fener and Ampelas, I bow to you, you've done an excellent job as scum.

G'night everyone, I don't see any reason why I would spend more time flogging a dead horse.

[Path-Shaper]

8 Players still alive: Ampelas, Atrahal, Fener, Kaschan, Korbas, Silanah, Sorrit, Spite

5 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.

3 Votes for Silanah ( Korbas, Ampelas, Fener )
1 Vote for Korbas ( Kaschan )
1 Vote for Ampelas ( Silanah )

Players not voted: Atrahal, Sorrit, Spite

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 20 July 2012 - 10:04 PM
Reason for edit: I can't count.

[Silanah]

Path-Shaper, on 20 July 2012 - 09:52 PM, said:

It is Day 5. 17 hours and 49 minutes remaining

8 Players still alive: Ampelas, Atrahal, Fener, Kaschan, Korbas, Silanah, Sorrit, Spite

5 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Ampelas ( Silanah )
1 Vote for Silanah ( Korbas )
1 Vote for Korbas ( Kaschan )

Players not voted: Ampelas, Atrahal, Fener, Sorrit, Spite

Fener's vote should be on me too PS

[Path-Shaper]

Silanah, on 20 July 2012 - 10:03 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 20 July 2012 - 09:52 PM, said:

It is Day 5. 17 hours and 49 minutes remaining

8 Players still alive: Ampelas, Atrahal, Fener, Kaschan, Korbas, Silanah, Sorrit, Spite

5 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Ampelas ( Silanah )
1 Vote for Silanah ( Korbas )
1 Vote for Korbas ( Kaschan )

Players not voted: Ampelas, Atrahal, Fener, Sorrit, Spite

Fener's vote should be on me too PS

Fixed!