[Kaschan]

My lunch break is over, so I won't have time to think carefully about your case, Amp. I should note:
-Atrahal has been playing in this same way all game, making self-contradictory arguments, and purposefully ignoring facts to make statements.
-At the time of the Silanah vote, Silanah could not have chosen either of the other 2 trains (she was 1, and already voting for the second) -- voting for me was the best option
-At the time of the Korv vote I had become the majority, thanks to Atrahal + Silanah

However, I can see a connection between Karosis and Atrahal. We have plenty of time, so I think I will come back either later this afternoon or this evening (depending on the second half of my work day) and think about this more thoroughly.

[Fener]

That's not actually too bad a case.


Notable things:

1. It's a bit depressing that we had a train with only two real votes and the rest is just people switching to lynch.
2. Silanah's vote particularly seems to be the important one. He seems particularly quick to jump elsewhere. Though I suppose since he was one of the trains with 2 votes at that point he has an ulterior motive.
3. Atrahal again.

[Fener]

Off for now. Back in a bit.

[Path-Shaper]

Korvalain, on 19 July 2012 - 04:56 PM, said:

The case against the cult leader was just as shite, if I remember. And the case against the batman was based solely on a slipup similar to the one I believe you made.

Being said cult leader: it was based on the fact that I tried impersonating an RI (us roled players didn't have it, and I commented on it to P-S) and kind of failed on account of no PM, then attacked someone who had slipped contents from the RI PM (which I still didn't have) and who was thus identified as an RI by other RIs. Since I didn't know that, the people voting me knew they were voting someone who wasn't RI.

- not bitter or anything. No, not at all.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 4. 13 hours and 7 minutes remaining

10 Players still alive: Ampelas, Atrahal, Fener, Karosis, Kaschan, Korbas, Korvalain, Silanah, Sorrit, Spite

6 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Atrahal ( Korvalain )
1 Vote for Karosis ( Ampelas )
1 Vote for Silanah ( Sorrit )
1 Vote for Ampelas ( Silanah )

Players not voted: Atrahal, Fener, Karosis, Kaschan, Korbas, Spite

[Korvalain]

Path-Shaper, on 19 July 2012 - 06:02 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 19 July 2012 - 04:56 PM, said:

The case against the cult leader was just as shite, if I remember. And the case against the batman was based solely on a slipup similar to the one I believe you made.

Being said cult leader: it was based on the fact that I tried impersonating an RI (us roled players didn't have it, and I commented on it to P-S) and kind of failed on account of no PM, then attacked someone who had slipped contents from the RI PM (which I still didn't have) and who was thus identified as an RI by other RIs. Since I didn't know that, the people voting me knew they were voting someone who wasn't RI.

- not bitter or anything. No, not at all.

Oh, so I assumed it was shite because I also did not have the RI PM no wonder.


Okay, so my pick for scum is accusing my 2nd pick for scum with a good case. I'm willing to see where this leads. I've been watching karosis since day 1, but I haven't had anything concrete until now.


Remove Vote

Vote Karosis

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 4. 12 hours and 48 minutes remaining

10 Players still alive: Ampelas, Atrahal, Fener, Karosis, Kaschan, Korbas, Korvalain, Silanah, Sorrit, Spite

6 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Karosis ( Ampelas, Korvalain )
1 Vote for Silanah ( Sorrit )
1 Vote for Ampelas ( Silanah )

Players not voted: Atrahal, Fener, Karosis, Kaschan, Korbas, Spite

[Silanah]

Korvalain, on 19 July 2012 - 06:17 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 19 July 2012 - 06:02 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 19 July 2012 - 04:56 PM, said:

The case against the cult leader was just as shite, if I remember. And the case against the batman was based solely on a slipup similar to the one I believe you made.

Being said cult leader: it was based on the fact that I tried impersonating an RI (us roled players didn't have it, and I commented on it to P-S) and kind of failed on account of no PM, then attacked someone who had slipped contents from the RI PM (which I still didn't have) and who was thus identified as an RI by other RIs. Since I didn't know that, the people voting me knew they were voting someone who wasn't RI.

- not bitter or anything. No, not at all.

Oh, so I assumed it was shite because I also did not have the RI PM no wonder.

Heh, I also didn't have a RI PM, so didn't realize! Go figure!

[Karosis]

Korvalain, on 18 July 2012 - 11:52 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 18 July 2012 - 10:56 PM, said:

Korbas, on 18 July 2012 - 10:32 PM, said:

You know, it's really tough being a symp. No way to get their attention without getting them lynched. No one listens to you. A thankless job, let me tell you Anthras.

Wat.

Doesn't this read to anyone else like Korbas not so subtly signaling that he was signaling karosis? Or something...

not sure what you mean here, or why you bring me into it

The tone of Korbas' post here almost sounds like commiseration, which is an odd choice for town players

[Silanah]

Korvalain, on 19 July 2012 - 06:17 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 19 July 2012 - 06:02 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 19 July 2012 - 04:56 PM, said:

The case against the cult leader was just as shite, if I remember. And the case against the batman was based solely on a slipup similar to the one I believe you made.

Being said cult leader: it was based on the fact that I tried impersonating an RI (us roled players didn't have it, and I commented on it to P-S) and kind of failed on account of no PM, then attacked someone who had slipped contents from the RI PM (which I still didn't have) and who was thus identified as an RI by other RIs. Since I didn't know that, the people voting me knew they were voting someone who wasn't RI.

- not bitter or anything. No, not at all.

Oh, so I assumed it was shite because I also did not have the RI PM no wonder.


Okay, so my pick for scum is accusing my 2nd pick for scum with a good case. I'm willing to see where this leads. I've been watching karosis since day 1, but I haven't had anything concrete until now.


Remove Vote

Vote Karosis

I don't hate Amp's case against Karosis, but I still think that Ampelas is the scummier of the two. He's conveniently bringing up a third lynch candidate, confusing the thread with more argument, and his reasoning for Karosis being scum is thin - basically, he says "Sil and Korv jumped onto a different train after initially voting Karosis, so Karosis must be scum, never mind that they were just trying to get a lynch."

If you ask me, that's slimmer than someone blatantly suggesting we do something that doesn't benefit town (i.e. not lynch), blatantly saying that people shouldn't be posting if they don't have good cases (with which I disagree, you gotta chat and make cases, even bad ones, to make this game work), voted someone with his only reason being 'Anthras spams a lot' (a vote which, I might add, is worse than people posting shit cases, which Amp thinks is annoying and pointless) and has suggested we lynch someone just for low-posting (which rarely benefits town in my experience). Not to mention that Amp hadn't even bothered actually making a case until I started going at him.

Anyway, all that to say that my vote won't move unless it's needed to get a lynch, and maybe not even then.

[Karosis]

Kaschan, on 19 July 2012 - 04:42 PM, said:

Not to derail the discussion at hand, but seeing this just pisses me off. Korbas has the lowest posts among anyone still in the game. He has contributed ZERO content, only told us about his feelings on cases (I like this case / I don't like this case) and made votes. He was involved in the "death threat" signaling thing we looked at for a bit on day 1, and however tenuous such a connection might be, it does connect him to Karosis and Ampelas. Karosis was responsible for laying down suspicion on me early in day 1, when Anthras had just pointed out he saw me naked--and Karosis took Anthras at his word, voted for me to get some discussion going (not necessarily scummy), then quickly fell back off the radar afterward. Karosis was a non-factor on day 2. Meanwhile, Ampelas is currently under suspicion, and he was very insistent on getting Anthras lynched. There's also that bit of a possible slip that someone caught.


If these 3 turn out to be the scum, then they've done a pretty good job (almost) of staying under the radar while encouraging suspicion of other people.

But seriously, look at Korbas' posts. He's done JACK SHIT, and then he makes that "you know, it's tough being a symp" comment! Definitely makes me want to take a closer look--only there isn't any fucking content to look at after 2 days of play.

didn't mean to cause a sore spot there - it was true, you explained yourself, and I don't think it has been an issue since Day 1

[Karosis]

Imagine my ironic pleasure to find Amp's 3 rules were directed at me...

That was a pretty case, but I didn't like the ending too much. I don't see how that I can be connected to how someone changes their vote, other than for the convenience of your case. I don't remember ever having more than 2 votes against me, so not sure how that's considered a likely lynch. Everybody's moving votes for their own reasons. I took mine off of Kash because I wasn't convinced he was scum, but put it back because he was better than a missed lynch.

[Fener]

Silanah, on 19 July 2012 - 06:49 PM, said:

Anyway, all that to say that my vote won't move unless it's needed to get a lynch, and maybe not even then.

Thought I would quote this for irony.

[Fener]

Bah, was going to post more but have to eat. Will be probably back in half an hour.

[Sorrit]

You are naked Fener.

[Sorrit]

6 players haven't voted... Where are your thoughts and cases?

[Ampelas]

Silanah, on 19 July 2012 - 06:49 PM, said:

I don't hate Amp's case against Karosis, but I still think that Ampelas is the scummier of the two. He's conveniently bringing up a third lynch candidate, confusing the thread with more argument, and his reasoning for Karosis being scum is thin - basically, he says "Sil and Korv jumped onto a different train after initially voting Karosis, so Karosis must be scum, never mind that they were just trying to get a lynch."

I'm not sure if you're deliberately strawmanning me (again) or just have complete reading comprehension failure, but the point of the case was not "Sil and Korv jumped onto a different train [...]". It's not all about you, Sil. The point was "Karosis escaped being the random day 1 lynch train target under suspicious circumstances."

But again, you choose to make this all about you, which it's not.

Silanah, on 19 July 2012 - 06:49 PM, said:

If you ask me, that's slimmer than someone blatantly suggesting we do something that doesn't benefit town (i.e. not lynch), blatantly saying that people shouldn't be posting if they don't have good cases (with which I disagree, you gotta chat and make cases, even bad ones, to make this game work), voted someone with his only reason being 'Anthras spams a lot' (a vote which, I might add, is worse than people posting shit cases, which Amp thinks is annoying and pointless) and has suggested we lynch someone just for low-posting (which rarely benefits town in my experience). Not to mention that Amp hadn't even bothered actually making a case until I started going at him.

So maybe put those thoughts into a well-structured case of your own and let people choose between them?

Silanah, on 19 July 2012 - 06:49 PM, said:

Anyway, all that to say that my vote won't move unless it's needed to get a lynch, and maybe not even then.

Lol, how are you going to keep pushing that our difference in opinion on requisite day 1 lynches makes me scum when you choose to skip a day 3 lynch?

[Ampelas]

Karosis, on 19 July 2012 - 07:11 PM, said:

Imagine my ironic pleasure to find Amp's 3 rules were directed at me...

That was a pretty case, but I didn't like the ending too much. I don't see how that I can be connected to how someone changes their vote, other than for the convenience of your case. I don't remember ever having more than 2 votes against me, so not sure how that's considered a likely lynch. Everybody's moving votes for their own reasons. I took mine off of Kash because I wasn't convinced he was scum, but put it back because he was better than a missed lynch.

"but put it back because he was better than a missed lynch" -> um... exactly? So if you supposedly applied that same logic, why didn't the others and vote for someone who was already in the lead, votes-wise, at the end of day?

[Silanah]

Ampelas, on 19 July 2012 - 08:16 PM, said:

Silanah, on 19 July 2012 - 06:49 PM, said:

I don't hate Amp's case against Karosis, but I still think that Ampelas is the scummier of the two. He's conveniently bringing up a third lynch candidate, confusing the thread with more argument, and his reasoning for Karosis being scum is thin - basically, he says "Sil and Korv jumped onto a different train after initially voting Karosis, so Karosis must be scum, never mind that they were just trying to get a lynch."

I'm not sure if you're deliberately strawmanning me (again) or just have complete reading comprehension failure, but the point of the case was not "Sil and Korv jumped onto a different train [...]". It's not all about you, Sil. The point was "Karosis escaped being the random day 1 lynch train target under suspicious circumstances."

But again, you choose to make this all about you, which it's not.

Silanah, on 19 July 2012 - 06:49 PM, said:

If you ask me, that's slimmer than someone blatantly suggesting we do something that doesn't benefit town (i.e. not lynch), blatantly saying that people shouldn't be posting if they don't have good cases (with which I disagree, you gotta chat and make cases, even bad ones, to make this game work), voted someone with his only reason being 'Anthras spams a lot' (a vote which, I might add, is worse than people posting shit cases, which Amp thinks is annoying and pointless) and has suggested we lynch someone just for low-posting (which rarely benefits town in my experience). Not to mention that Amp hadn't even bothered actually making a case until I started going at him.

So maybe put those thoughts into a well-structured case of your own and let people choose between them?

Silanah, on 19 July 2012 - 06:49 PM, said:

Anyway, all that to say that my vote won't move unless it's needed to get a lynch, and maybe not even then.

Lol, how are you going to keep pushing that our difference in opinion on requisite day 1 lynches makes me scum when you choose to skip a day 3 lynch?

Amp, I have made the case against you about four times now, so you're clearly the one straw-manning. You're scum, stop trying to deny it.

Ampelas, on 19 July 2012 - 08:18 PM, said:

Karosis, on 19 July 2012 - 07:11 PM, said:

Imagine my ironic pleasure to find Amp's 3 rules were directed at me...

That was a pretty case, but I didn't like the ending too much. I don't see how that I can be connected to how someone changes their vote, other than for the convenience of your case. I don't remember ever having more than 2 votes against me, so not sure how that's considered a likely lynch. Everybody's moving votes for their own reasons. I took mine off of Kash because I wasn't convinced he was scum, but put it back because he was better than a missed lynch.

"but put it back because he was better than a missed lynch" -> um... exactly? So if you supposedly applied that same logic, why didn't the others and vote for someone who was already in the lead, votes-wise, at the end of day?

Everyone who was actually around moved their vote to Kaschan, if I recall correctly. Just didn't have enough people who were actually around.

[Karosis]

Ampelas, on 19 July 2012 - 08:18 PM, said:

Karosis, on 19 July 2012 - 07:11 PM, said:

Imagine my ironic pleasure to find Amp's 3 rules were directed at me...

That was a pretty case, but I didn't like the ending too much. I don't see how that I can be connected to how someone changes their vote, other than for the convenience of your case. I don't remember ever having more than 2 votes against me, so not sure how that's considered a likely lynch. Everybody's moving votes for their own reasons. I took mine off of Kash because I wasn't convinced he was scum, but put it back because he was better than a missed lynch.

"but put it back because he was better than a missed lynch" -> um... exactly? So if you supposedly applied that same logic, why didn't the others and vote for someone who was already in the lead, votes-wise, at the end of day?

What others do you mean? I was never in the lead, was tied in votes with Silanah & Kash at 2. This seems like you're making a dramatic scene out of nothing. Are you asking why no one else used the same logic as me? How could I know that?