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Silanah, on 19 July 2012 - 01:47 AM, said:
Ampelas, has spent most of his posts just pushing the 'no lynch is not necessarily a bad thing' thing, which I wholeheartedly disagree with. Then when he voted for Anthras, it was cause he was spamming up the thread, not because he was scum. I paraphrased, but that's almost exactly what he said. So far, my number one target for lynch.
Karosis, I started with him because that's where I was voting day 1. He hasn't done much of anything since Day 1, he has safely followed on the trains on both days. It's a little convenient, but he doesn't really ping too hard on my scumdar.
Korvalain, voted against Karosis on Day 1, but then moved over to Kaschan to get the lynch. Had stated on thread that he would be willing to move his vote prior to moving it, so I am not currently suspicious of him for that. His Day 2 behaviour was consistent. His suspicions, when he did mention them, were against Atrahal, though he didn't really tell us why, Ampelas, who he had previously noted he did not like cause of his 'no lynch is okay' thing, and Anthras, who he ended up voting for. So, no suspicions here.
Moving on to the rest of you now...
Karosis, I started with him because that's where I was voting day 1. He hasn't done much of anything since Day 1, he has safely followed on the trains on both days. It's a little convenient, but he doesn't really ping too hard on my scumdar.
Korvalain, voted against Karosis on Day 1, but then moved over to Kaschan to get the lynch. Had stated on thread that he would be willing to move his vote prior to moving it, so I am not currently suspicious of him for that. His Day 2 behaviour was consistent. His suspicions, when he did mention them, were against Atrahal, though he didn't really tell us why, Ampelas, who he had previously noted he did not like cause of his 'no lynch is okay' thing, and Anthras, who he ended up voting for. So, no suspicions here.
Moving on to the rest of you now...
Ampelas - Does give me some scum vibe. Not actually so much for the "letting the day time out" since at that point it looked like a fairly low info Kasch train (iirc, it was before several posts that made the train more info heavy). Still not an idea I agree with, but it doesn't strike me as hugely scummy for a couple of reasons. Firstly, it would've been much easier for him to just hop on Kasch and avoid the heat suggesting no-lynch gets. Secondly, he sticks to his guns and defends his idea, when he could just let it drop. Makes it seem more like a misguided inno than scum. While that post doesn't strike me as too bad, other bits of his play do. He has been pretty low on the content front, has been pretty uninvolved. His anthras vote also rubs me the wrong way. I don't like that he drops it based simply on Anth being annoying (so he said). It was reasonably early on iirc, but still a bit of a poor excuse for a vote, and I think the vote did stay till the end of the day? On the other hand, I suppose he could've just thrown it on and said he agreed with the case, dunno if that would've been more low key or less. He does give me scum vibes. Not majorly (he's not my top candidate), but he's definitely in the back of my head as potential scum.
Karosis - Has been low key. I find it hard to recall much he has done off the top of my head, or what he has really brought to the table. I basically agree with Sil in terms of the facts here, but find for me it puts him in the same sort of category as Amp. Not majorly scummy, but every time I remember he's playing I get a little "Oh, he's been very under the radar" jolt.
Korvalain - Has seemed pretty reasonable to me. His response to the day one accusations seemed fine, and I've not really seen any play from him that seems too dubious. He's played a very clean game. He could be more involved.
Silanah, on 19 July 2012 - 02:16 AM, said:
Fener, I don't really get much of a scum vibe from. He has been trying to be helpful, has built some pretty decent cases (I didn't hate his case against Atrahal yesterday), and though he moved his vote to Anthras too late, he had said that Anthras was pretty much his second favourite person for a lynch.
Korbas, hard to get anything resembling a good read on him. He basically spent Day 1 spamming up the thread, his one vote was a joke vote (to Ampelas, who's the one I currently think is most scummy) which could have been signalling. Day 2, he votes for me, but never really explains himself. In the post where he voted for me, he quoted a bunch of stuff that makes Anthras look scummy, then says he agrees with the case on me and votes me. It's a little weird. Otherwise he just pipes in here and there with mostly useless posts. Then he makes that silly post about being a symp, which could be further signalling. I am thinking Korbas is Ampelas' symp.
Sorrit, has basically had a hard on for me the whole game. One of the ones who started the Atrahal/Anthras/Silanah trio thing. He was always a believer that I was the scummiest of the three. Other than that, he pretty much just throws comments on other people's cases, which isn't bad. I don't think he's scum, though, I think he's just misguided.
Korbas, hard to get anything resembling a good read on him. He basically spent Day 1 spamming up the thread, his one vote was a joke vote (to Ampelas, who's the one I currently think is most scummy) which could have been signalling. Day 2, he votes for me, but never really explains himself. In the post where he voted for me, he quoted a bunch of stuff that makes Anthras look scummy, then says he agrees with the case on me and votes me. It's a little weird. Otherwise he just pipes in here and there with mostly useless posts. Then he makes that silly post about being a symp, which could be further signalling. I am thinking Korbas is Ampelas' symp.
Sorrit, has basically had a hard on for me the whole game. One of the ones who started the Atrahal/Anthras/Silanah trio thing. He was always a believer that I was the scummiest of the three. Other than that, he pretty much just throws comments on other people's cases, which isn't bad. I don't think he's scum, though, I think he's just misguided.
Fener - Obviously innocent, and a cool dude to boot.
Korbas - As clarification, he will have voted you probably because he agreed with the case for Anthras being your symp. I haven't got much of an opinion on him other than the very dodgy symp post - quite possibly because he doesn't seem to have posted that much in the way of content. Dunno what to make of that really. Could be symping (the question of who comes up, and I'm not sure I have an answer I find adequate. Will have to look over his interactions. Amp is possible if he voted him, but then he's your favoured candidate so you would be predisposed to finding that connection, and I'm not hugely in favour of evidence relying on day one signalling, particularly if it was during the spam phase. Better evidence would be seeing who he's steered away from and if he's been subtly defending anyone).
Sorrit - Again has seemed fairly reasonable to me, but that's going to be the case when I agreed with a lot of what he was saying. Some good play (going for the person he thinks is the master rather than the symp), and seems to contribute a decent amount.
Silanah, on 19 July 2012 - 02:51 AM, said:
Atrahal, very small ping on the scumdar, nothing really. He basically made cases against Kaschan, and not horrible ones, but always keeps himself open to move his vote to Anthras. When Fener makes a case against him based on scum protecting symp, he basically calls him dumb for thinking that. His reasoning was sound, though. It didn't really make much sense to me that a scum would go out of their way to protect someone they think might be their symp. Otherwise, just input on what's going on. Like I said, small ping on the scumdar, but nothing too serious.
Kaschan, made cases against me as scum with Anthras being my symp or Anthras being scum and Atrahal being a symp. He then spends a good part of the day arguing with Atrahal about what makes him scummy. Seems to me that he just had a hardon for Anthras, and used Atrahal as a likely symp because Atrahal was throwing out some good refutations of his arguments. He says Atrahal was deflecting from Anthras, but I think Atrahal was just stating what many of us were thinking, and that's that Anthras was town. Kaschan gets a bit bigger of a scum ping than Atrahal.
Spite, plays a pretty decent game as far as I am concerned. Though he doesn't make any of his own cases, he adds insightful comments and thoughts on the cases out there. He liked Kaschan on Day 2, as well as Anthras. I think everyone gets blinded by high posters and spam posters, it makes people uncomfortable, so they tend to always see scum. I think if Anthras was a symp, he wasn't doing a very good job. But Kaschan, as I said about, pings my scumdar. So for now I've nothing against Spite.
Kaschan, made cases against me as scum with Anthras being my symp or Anthras being scum and Atrahal being a symp. He then spends a good part of the day arguing with Atrahal about what makes him scummy. Seems to me that he just had a hardon for Anthras, and used Atrahal as a likely symp because Atrahal was throwing out some good refutations of his arguments. He says Atrahal was deflecting from Anthras, but I think Atrahal was just stating what many of us were thinking, and that's that Anthras was town. Kaschan gets a bit bigger of a scum ping than Atrahal.
Spite, plays a pretty decent game as far as I am concerned. Though he doesn't make any of his own cases, he adds insightful comments and thoughts on the cases out there. He liked Kaschan on Day 2, as well as Anthras. I think everyone gets blinded by high posters and spam posters, it makes people uncomfortable, so they tend to always see scum. I think if Anthras was a symp, he wasn't doing a very good job. But Kaschan, as I said about, pings my scumdar. So for now I've nothing against Spite.
Atrahal - I think he's the scummiest player at the moment. Misinterprets people to suit himself, and has been pushing hard to get himself seen as inno (which goes beyond defending himself from a case, and it's not like he's been under that great pressure, with only one vote yesterday). Just based on his play today, he is seeming very scummy to me.
Kaschan - Has seemed a bit scummy, but not majorly, but then I disagree with your reasoning in that I do find Anthras' behaaviour to have been very scummy. Maybe a bit overconfident with the case. Where I do get a bit of a scum ping from him is that he votes Anthras but later seems to suggest that he thinks Anthras was most likely the symp (I think this is probably the post Atrahal was talking about earlier), which does seem a bit dodgy, since voting people you think is the symp is bad play unless there is no obvious candidate for master (and this doesn't seem to be what Kasch is thinking, as he said he was willing to go for Sil or Atrahal as well).
Spite - I haven't got too much of a read on. What he has posted has seemed pretty measured, there's nothing that immediately raises my suspicions. Like Korv, he seems to be playing quite a clean game. A bit low on content, though not quite the worst offender in that regard.
Silanah - Has seemed pretty reasonable. Posts content, cool reaction to the case against him. I wouldn't have minded lynching him yesterday, but more Anth's play than his own, and I would've rather lynched Atrahal.
