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Posted 04 July 2012 - 07:24 AM

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Posted 04 July 2012 - 07:57 AM

This game is crack. Just managed to form the empire of spain, with the muslim hordes nearly entirely driven out. Of course my newly formed emperor choose this moment to bite the biscuit,and now I'm desperately trying to hold the empire together as seemingly all my vassals rebel. I think I fell in love with this game after i lost my first attempt due to an assassination by my spymaster wife because i had an affair.
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Posted 04 July 2012 - 08:20 AM

Started playing as the French in 1066 without using the ruler maker. Starting position in summary: not good.
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Manpower: my realm can summon 10k swords. I can gather 424.
Demesne: I only control Paris (several castles + cities) and Orleans (1 of each type).
Money: my income is 2.40 a month or so.
Personal situation: I am aged 14 (booh) and unmarried nor bethrothed (yeey). My brother is my heir.
Laws: Agnatic primogeniture, now there's a pleasant surprise. Lowest crown authority, free investiture.
Neighbors: HRE. Not good. The Spanish states as a buffer against the moors. Not so good. England, about to be invaded by William of Normandy, aka the Conqueror, who will then be independent and rob me of more swords. Not good. Access into Italy, which is a fragmented playground but moreso for the HRE. Not so good either.

Okay, so I set out.
First move: securing the dynasty. there's this Italian unmarried 18 year old duchess with vast tracts of land. I propose betrothal, she accepts. We marry the day I become an adult (and apart from being a Brilliant Strategist, I horribly suck. 0 diplomacy, 2 stewarship, 5 intrigue or so. Ouch). She doesn't like me much (and our relationship detoriates further on account of me refusing to join her rebellion against the HRE), but she's lusty so we soon spawn a kid: a son. Meanwhile, my most powerful henchman dies: the Duke of Aquitane, leaving only a daughter. My boy marries that girl and I am assured of some duchies, finally, when my grandson ascends to the Throne. I spawn 2 more sons and 2 daughters before my king catches a dose of syphilis at 40.

Secondary objective: increase demesne and income. I have decided on crushing Brittany, and to do so, I send out my fairly incompetent chancellor to fabricate a few claims. In De Jure wars, I take Rennes (not very spectacular) and another territory (4 slots beneath the line, so a welcome addition).

Tertiary objective: allies. I have Aquitane tied to me, now it is time to marry off a daughter to the HRE. That alliance sealed, I wed off my other sons, put the game on speed 4 and sit back and relax.

Finally, my son's reached maturity. He's 16 (brilliant strategist and a great statline, perfect heir), she's 28. It can't be helped. They quickly give birth to twins, a boy and a girl, the boy being a genius. However, the duchess of Aquitane is a bit greedy and turns her entire domain into 5 seperate duchies, holding every single title herself. Her subjects don't like that and continuously revolt and my son and heir, now 18, spends most of his time fighting her enemies. Until he is predictably captured, left to rot, and dies at age 19. She follows him into the grave quite quickly after that, leaving my grandson as duke of 5 duchies.

On the plus-side, Harold actually won in the Norman/ Norwegian conquest of England. Normandy is still a duchy in the French realm. The spanish are almost wiped out, and until the Templars emerge, I won't be strong enough to fight them, but Iberia seems a good field of expansion.

So here I am, syphilitic, with a wife that hates me, a minor as my heir and hopefully a decade or so ahead of me to save enough money to allow my grandson to throw a Grand Tournament and enough bribes at his nobles to make a good start to his reign. Luckily, I can throw 3 of his duchies to the dogs yapping at his heels when he takes over, reducing my penalties as well as making a slew of other people happy through granting them holdings.
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Posted 04 July 2012 - 09:56 AM

I want this game so bad I could cry. Alas, my poor old mac cannot handle it.
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Posted 04 July 2012 - 02:09 PM

That's weird, my poor old windows PC handles it splendidly!

Also, I just bought a new PC. It doesn't have discreet GPU, but they tell me sandy bridge does alright for graphics now. Downloading and starting over Crusader Kings once more.

Also2, I heard yesterday that they were doing a new version of Rome: Total War. I was like, "meh." Total war doesn't really rate after this game, does it?

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 09:39 AM

Stuck out here with an abysmal old machine that, admittedly, CAN handle Crusader Kings II, but only just. I also didn't bring my previous savegames. So I've been playing as Piast again a bit, but not much (busy busy), and it's so infuriating how weak Poland is at the start. FIVE duchies that can only raise half the troops that each pagan tribe in the baltic region can on their own? that's just bad. And annoying as hell.
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Posted 05 July 2012 - 02:50 PM

 Gothos, on 05 July 2012 - 09:39 AM, said:

Stuck out here with an abysmal old machine that, admittedly, CAN handle Crusader Kings II, but only just. I also didn't bring my previous savegames. So I've been playing as Piast again a bit, but not much (busy busy), and it's so infuriating how weak Poland is at the start. FIVE duchies that can only raise half the troops that each pagan tribe in the baltic region can on their own? that's just bad. And annoying as hell.


I played a game with Poland and found it was easy enough to mop up those Baltic states - while they can raise a tonne of troops to start with, you can replenish a lot faster. Just kind of rolled over as many as I could until I reached Estonia (which Denmark had already got to).

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 06:25 PM

Well, by now only Estonia is left of the baltic states. I've managed to nick all of Prussia, Pomeralia, Pomerania, Lithuania and Samogotia. Pulled my resources in now and I'm sitting on my stuff for now, keeping vassals in check, building stuff and letting armies replenish. Oh, I've also managed to land a very good marriage at the start with a duchess from Tuscany - now I have like 7 or 8 counties right in the middle of Italy as well. Growing strong.

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Posted 05 July 2012 - 07:52 PM

I'm curious about this game. Is there an ending? Does the game give you a goal you need to achieve that leads to a victory or game over screen? Or are you just supposed to keep going until your great great great great great great great great great... grandson eventually becomes emperor of the continent in the war torn future of the 33rd century?

The game seems to rely on historical periods so can you play it up until present day or does the game come to a natural end long before that? Will everyone simply gang up on you and destroy you if you get too big?
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Posted 06 July 2012 - 12:00 AM

I guess the game goes on as long as it has to, or until some arbitrary date ending the medieval peroid. Not all playthroughs are expected to survive until the end, you just do as well as you can, is my guess.

Also, tasted nice titties today, so awesome break from the game. Off to sleep.
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Posted 06 July 2012 - 06:55 AM

I think I read somewhere that it ends sometime in the 1400s. I spent hours and hours to get to the 1200s with my Scotland game, so there is plenty of time to play with.
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Posted 06 July 2012 - 07:19 AM

Like EU3 that ends in the early 1800 hundreds.

@Apt - Typically you set goals for yourself, and if CK2 is anything like EU3, the game also gives you some heavy objectives to accomplish. Say founding the Russian empire as the Duchy of Muscowy for instance.

I started a game as Ethiopia, with the goal of reconquering Constantinople and becoming the new head of the Orthodox faith. The sense of achievement I got from managing that was incredible.
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Posted 06 July 2012 - 10:05 AM

 Satan, on 06 July 2012 - 06:55 AM, said:

I think I read somewhere that it ends sometime in the 1400s. I spent hours and hours to get to the 1200s with my Scotland game, so there is plenty of time to play with.

1453, the fall of Byzanthium, is the chosen end-point, iirc.
The issue with the timeline and game progression seems to be that once you've established an empire, there is little to fight for anymore. Your own demesne is at its maximum size, your culture is spread, you can beat the HRE/Byzanthium/ Seljuk Turks/ Mongol Horde and that is it. Everything left playing for is just more duchies you have to give away, more uprisings you can easily quash and that's it.

So the challenge is more in building an empire, getting a high score and do so in various ages and places to make a difference in difficulty - 1066, few towns/ castles are developed and crown authority is lower, making conquest fairly straight forward even if you fight a bigger power if you can afford mercenaries, which will be much more difficult in 1350 or so, when you may not even be able to declare war on a nearby duke in the same realm.
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Posted 06 July 2012 - 10:10 AM

 Morgoth, on 06 July 2012 - 07:19 AM, said:

Like EU3 that ends in the early 1800 hundreds.

@Apt - Typically you set goals for yourself, and if CK2 is anything like EU3, the game also gives you some heavy objectives to accomplish. Say founding the Russian empire as the Duchy of Muscowy for instance.

I started a game as Ethiopia, with the goal of reconquering Constantinople and becoming the new head of the Orthodox faith. The sense of achievement I got from managing that was incredible.

This, aye. For now, as France, my goal is getting as high a crown authority as possible to make my kingdom a unified powerhouse, basically a Napoleontic era France as the main powerblock on the map.

In my badly ended Castille game, it was completing the reconquista. As a Byzanthian duke, a playthrough i ought to still revisit, it is the conquest of Italy and the crowns of Sicily, and then either independence or the crown of Byzanthium.

I may start a game later on with the sole goal of ruling Jeruzalem as a christian king, and a playthrough as a muslim state with the sole objective of conquering the Balkans, Spain and Vienna (not necessarily ruling them myself) also looks likely, as might be a lowly "count to emperor of HRE" playthrough.
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Posted 06 July 2012 - 06:51 PM

So I got myself in some trouble. All is good though.

I've decided on a whim (nothing better to do with my swelling armies) to join a crusade for Jerusalem. Lo and behold, after several years of fooling around the place picking off random armies and castles while letting the papacy doomstack handle the egyptian doomstacks, turned out I did the most work in the Crusade and landed the Kingdom of Jerusalem for myself...
So yeah. Four duchies' worth of stuff that can't even defend itself and is halfway across the map, right in the middle of the militarily strongest faction at the time. Yep. I kept it for a year or five, then gave the kingdom to some vassal of mine with high Martial and whatnot. It goes independant, problem's off my mind, right? Well, turned out that through some inheritance problems, Kuyavia ended up in Fatimid hands just now. So I've got a bubble of muslim power dead in the middle of my lands. At the moment they are still a bit stronger than me, and they CAN reach me in time before the warscore goes to 100%... I think I'll have to wait a bit with the holy war against them. Oh and also my son and heir is also the King of Sicily. Still got my holdings in Italy as well. In the baltic theatre nobody can challenge my might. Ruthenia and Rus can't either. Hungary and the Kaiser just keep ignoring me as before. I'm having lots of trouble with retards in my court and family with low stats so my whole council is between 14 and 20 in their respective thingies, and my ruler and family have single-digit stats mostly. Grrrr.

We'll see how it keeps going on. Mind you, it's not even 1150 yet. My last ruler got a crazy amount of prestige and piety, I think he alone added around 19k to my score. Crusades reap some benefits, I guess.
Wish there was some sort of Polish De Jure Empire, or some clever way to gobble up Sweden and Denmark. Gorram elective monarchies tho, can't set up a proper line of descent to press a claim and inherit through matrilineal or something like that. Ah well, keep calm and soldier on.

Also, I think it would be nice if the duchy title limit of two (before vassals get annoyed) should count separately between held crowns - with two Kingdom titles I have right now, I'd like to be able to keep 2 duchies within the Kingdom of Poland, and 2, or even 1, in the Kingdom of Lithuania. But noooo...
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Posted 06 July 2012 - 06:59 PM

@ Gothos; that duchess is the most eligible bacheloress of her time (although Hungarian and Spanish princesses with a poisoned dagger for the collective in-laws can give very good results as well).

The only thing Sword of Islam adds in the way of nice wives is a genius courtier of 16, but given that status for wives is less important there, it may be a better trade-off.
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Posted 07 July 2012 - 08:54 PM

It's gotten weirder and weirder. I am 1 county away from creating the Empire of Francia, Spain is now completely overrun, I own Mallorca and Menorca, Corsica and Sardinia and am on my way to conquering large swaths of Italy. The HRE is in contant disarray, England is full of insurrections and rebellions, Scotland is slowly expanding into the West (they already took the Duchy of the Isles and are now on to Ireland). The 1 free county in Brittany that I haven't usurped yet is in a war for Navarra and has hired BOTH the Templars and the Knights of John - 15k of troops controlled by 1 countess.

The weirdest thing of all is that Venice is now muslim (as was Pisa, which turned muslim as they rebelled against the HRE but I put an end to that, never noticing they were rebelling so I got into a fringe war with the HRE there, as well. They did nasty things to my stacks before my megastack of Dhoom destroyed their big stack). Which means I will very soon unleash a Holy War on Venice, and I will be one step closer to the Kingdom of Italy, too.
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 08:32 PM

I've got my proper PC here now and I'm not sure which playthrough to follow through with. One is way ahead in time, and much expansion into hungary and ruthenia, but missing prussia, while the other I have retards in my line, and didn't touch hungary or ruthenia, but I do have the whole dejure kingdoms of poland and lithuania (well, minus 2 counties but I'm working on that), 3 duchies in Italy and an heir that's also king of sicily that will put almost all of italy under his reign. hmmm hmmm hmmm.
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Posted 01 August 2012 - 05:19 PM

Ive always had trouble being patient with this game, only been playing it for a few years in game so to be fair Ive not gave it much of a chance.

Been playing it on the westeos mod, set in roberts rebellion, and while its nice ti see the targareans stay in power, as roose bolton in the north Im pretty trapped with what I can do...
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Posted 10 September 2012 - 08:55 AM

Started a new game with Scotland again, after a hiatus with Poland (and some time away from the game for job purposes). Last night, after only 40 years of play time and two generations in, I invade England. They're racked with rebellion, Wales has made it big by invading the middle of France and I have been growing fat and powerful by picking off individual states on Ireland. I petition the Pope for a full blown invasion and off to war I am. It's going splendid, beating off his medium sized armies one after another. I'm up to 40% victory when I, Neil the Great, die of old age. The war automatically ends in white peace, and my son must rush home to keep my own kingdom together. That blows over rather fastish, but now I have a truce with the kingdom of England for several more years. It's cool, I can bide my time and eat up the rest of Ireland in the mean time. But when the truce finally expires, I am unable to do a general invasion of England as I have more land than the English king. What with me controlling all of Ireland (but for one state) and the rebellion in England going past the point of no return (I would think - they're in a poor state down there), I am left to invade England bit by bloody bit. Gah! This will take forever and a day, it will!

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