[Eloth]

 Fener, on 05 July 2012 - 07:35 AM, said:

 Eloth, on 05 July 2012 - 07:03 AM, said:

Remove vote
Vote Thyrllan

you around?

In between bouts of mouth-foam spewing fits of righteous rage, I am.
I work with some fucking tossrags with communication problems.

[Fener]

 Kalse, on 05 July 2012 - 07:38 AM, said:

 Fener, on 05 July 2012 - 06:31 AM, said:

I hate being dead. Here's a shocker for you lapse. I was Serc. Now I'm dead fener

Wait, so you were Serc - then when Fener died, you were given a new alt and told you were dead? Assuming that whoever Fener was probably had an Esper or ability that allowed him to take over someone else's alt if he were to be killed...and no one is the wiser.

Very interesting. Is that about accurate? So you have no idea what Fener was doing up until the point where he died?

That was meant to say Kalse not Lapse!!!

Right I was Serc. After the day timed out and we got a lynch I had a guard on Tellan.

As PS was resolving night my main alt got a PM saying I have changed alt. My character came over to Fener, I lost my ability, or I have my ability but I cannot use it whilst dead, which means there is a chance I can be resurrected.

[Fener]

 Kalse, on 05 July 2012 - 07:38 AM, said:

 Fener, on 05 July 2012 - 06:31 AM, said:

I hate being dead. Here's a shocker for you lapse. I was Serc. Now I'm dead fener

Wait, so you were Serc - then when Fener died, you were given a new alt and told you were dead? Assuming that whoever Fener was probably had an Esper or ability that allowed him to take over someone else's alt if he were to be killed...and no one is the wiser.

Very interesting. Is that about accurate? So you have no idea what Fener was doing up until the point where he died?

Oh I have my PM's from Serc but nothing left from Fener

[Fener]

 Kalse, on 05 July 2012 - 07:41 AM, said:

Also, is that you posting as Serc? At what point did you become Fener? Because that post by Serc was made after Fener died, correct?

I posted as Serc up until the end of night.

[Eloth]

 Fener, on 05 July 2012 - 08:38 AM, said:

 Kalse, on 05 July 2012 - 07:38 AM, said:

 Fener, on 05 July 2012 - 06:31 AM, said:

I hate being dead. Here's a shocker for you lapse. I was Serc. Now I'm dead fener

Wait, so you were Serc - then when Fener died, you were given a new alt and told you were dead? Assuming that whoever Fener was probably had an Esper or ability that allowed him to take over someone else's alt if he were to be killed...and no one is the wiser.

Very interesting. Is that about accurate? So you have no idea what Fener was doing up until the point where he died?

That was meant to say Kalse not Lapse!!!

Right I was Serc. After the day timed out and we got a lynch I had a guard on Tellan.

As PS was resolving night my main alt got a PM saying I have changed alt. My character came over to Fener, I lost my ability, or I have my ability but I cannot use it whilst dead, which means there is a chance I can be resurrected.

Faceless man on day 1 who also ninja's when jumping is effing weird. Anyhow, like you, I can't use my ability while dead.

[Fener]

 Kalse, on 05 July 2012 - 07:55 AM, said:

 Silanah, on 04 July 2012 - 04:16 AM, said:

 Fener, on 04 July 2012 - 02:02 AM, said:

I'm scared Silanah, hold me! No closer!

there, there. I'm sure you did the right thing by spilling blood and thus shattering the orb, releasing the Apostleyids in the process.

somehow, i'm sure it'll all work out for the best.

I'd have to reread the scene but how would Silanah know that it was the spilling of blood that would shatter the orb, or that shattering the orb released the Espers? If this is true there were no Espers in play before Fener killed Eloth. But...how would Silanah know. I hope town gets the message about lynching Silanah-become-Thyrllan. My top pick for cult master right now.

It's as good a shot as any at this stage. I didn't catch that, I thought it must be in the OP or something similar

[Fener]

 Eloth, on 05 July 2012 - 08:41 AM, said:

 Fener, on 05 July 2012 - 08:38 AM, said:

 Kalse, on 05 July 2012 - 07:38 AM, said:

 Fener, on 05 July 2012 - 06:31 AM, said:

I hate being dead. Here's a shocker for you lapse. I was Serc. Now I'm dead fener

Wait, so you were Serc - then when Fener died, you were given a new alt and told you were dead? Assuming that whoever Fener was probably had an Esper or ability that allowed him to take over someone else's alt if he were to be killed...and no one is the wiser.

Very interesting. Is that about accurate? So you have no idea what Fener was doing up until the point where he died?

That was meant to say Kalse not Lapse!!!

Right I was Serc. After the day timed out and we got a lynch I had a guard on Tellan.

As PS was resolving night my main alt got a PM saying I have changed alt. My character came over to Fener, I lost my ability, or I have my ability but I cannot use it whilst dead, which means there is a chance I can be resurrected.

Faceless man on day 1 who also ninja's when jumping is effing weird. Anyhow, like you, I can't use my ability while dead.

What ability did you have?

[Eloth]

 Fener, on 05 July 2012 - 08:49 AM, said:

 Eloth, on 05 July 2012 - 08:41 AM, said:

 Fener, on 05 July 2012 - 08:38 AM, said:

 Kalse, on 05 July 2012 - 07:38 AM, said:

 Fener, on 05 July 2012 - 06:31 AM, said:

I hate being dead. Here's a shocker for you lapse. I was Serc. Now I'm dead fener

Wait, so you were Serc - then when Fener died, you were given a new alt and told you were dead? Assuming that whoever Fener was probably had an Esper or ability that allowed him to take over someone else's alt if he were to be killed...and no one is the wiser.

Very interesting. Is that about accurate? So you have no idea what Fener was doing up until the point where he died?

That was meant to say Kalse not Lapse!!!

Right I was Serc. After the day timed out and we got a lynch I had a guard on Tellan.

As PS was resolving night my main alt got a PM saying I have changed alt. My character came over to Fener, I lost my ability, or I have my ability but I cannot use it whilst dead, which means there is a chance I can be resurrected.

Faceless man on day 1 who also ninja's when jumping is effing weird. Anyhow, like you, I can't use my ability while dead.

What ability did you have?

Lover for a cycle (activated at night), must be used, can't target the same person twice unless I have targeted everyone alive.

[Eloth]

You?

[Fener]

I mentioned it before. I could guard one person at night. I chose Tellan I think let me check

[Fener]

the thread's picked up a little. Thing is they still think i'm voting Osseric when hours and hours ago two of us voted thyrllan

[Fener]

That's 3 votes for Thyrllan.

[Fener]

Someone should really give D'rek a hand, this must be a tough one to MOD

[Grief]

Sorry, been real busy, will do a count now.

[Kalse]

Things are heating up on thread. I am very interested to see what happens with Thyrllan, and I don't trust him one bit.

[Kalse]

When Thyrllan made that comment about not returning to the Spectre Thread if he dies, I wonder if you are unable to stay a Spectre if you are killed twice? Just a random thought. Obviously it's possible to resurrect people but that doesn't mean it's going to keep happening.

[Kalse]

Remove vote

Going to try to recapture town's attention here.

[Kalse]

Vote Thyrllan

P-S, if you could make it clear in your update that I removed and then voted again separately, that would great. You were probably going to anyway but I just wanted to make sure all vote changes were displayed on thread.

[Eloth]

 Kalse, on 05 July 2012 - 04:42 PM, said:

When Thyrllan made that comment about not returning to the Spectre Thread if he dies, I wonder if you are unable to stay a Spectre if you are killed twice? Just a random thought. Obviously it's possible to resurrect people but that doesn't mean it's going to keep happening.

I have been having a bit of a think on this.

Firstly, Silanah and their role.
1) To me, it seems obvious Silanah was meant to return to thread at some point. You don't condemn someone to SH for an entire game.
2) Because they gained a different alt, they were offered the possibility of parading as someone else - and spoiler heaven was conveniently filled with several other people already.
3) Who better to make certain decisions on what happens on thread than an (im)partial viewer from the sidelines? It might be that Silanah decided who gained what Apost'ley. So, they may have gotten to determine the first cult leader and came down on thread as that leader's henchman. A short life it would be, but still an important role to play.
4) Silanah was unreasonably tight lipped during his stay here.

Secondly, VCs.
Scum victory condition happens at a time when normally, they'd control vote majority on thread for a day.
In this game, they may remain a numerical minority regardless of their majority on thread. Hence, SH is likely to be very important to keep cult numbers down through guidance in the lynch.
We have the benefit of the doubt in that we know each other's role name and description. I think a lot, an awful lot even, is to be gained by revealing, if only so that when a player shows himself differently on thread than he did in SH, we can axe him from here on up.

Thirdly, Apost'leys.
These apparently are tied to factions - 1 for the cult (and we know from the OP that this one has the main recruitment ability), 1 town orientated (my guess is finder, personally), and 1 that is neutral in ability but can only be controlled by a town alignment player.
Hence, it is my reasoning that f that player becomes recruited, the Apost'ley moves.
They're not thinking that way on thread, and in fact, they're already on their way to confusing Spectres and Espers and losing track of finding cult by voting Thyr because he's a Spectre, not because they distrust him, like we do.

Fourthly, chances of us returning to thread.
I'd say they''re present, yet remote. We saw 3 deaths day 1 and 1 return. It may be that on days where a townie dies, someone returns. It may be that on days where there is a no-lynch, someone returns, in a quid pro-quo format. I have no clue if you are cleansed of alignment and returned to townie status when returning, but I assume we don't.

Now, since I expect all three of us to be town, I'd be interested in a debate on this.

[Kalse]

 Eloth, on 05 July 2012 - 06:42 PM, said:

 Kalse, on 05 July 2012 - 04:42 PM, said:

When Thyrllan made that comment about not returning to the Spectre Thread if he dies, I wonder if you are unable to stay a Spectre if you are killed twice? Just a random thought. Obviously it's possible to resurrect people but that doesn't mean it's going to keep happening.

I have been having a bit of a think on this.

Firstly, Silanah and their role.
1) To me, it seems obvious Silanah was meant to return to thread at some point. You don't condemn someone to SH for an entire game.
2) Because they gained a different alt, they were offered the possibility of parading as someone else - and spoiler heaven was conveniently filled with several other people already.
3) Who better to make certain decisions on what happens on thread than an (im)partial viewer from the sidelines? It might be that Silanah decided who gained what Apost'ley. So, they may have gotten to determine the first cult leader and came down on thread as that leader's henchman. A short life it would be, but still an important role to play.
4) Silanah was unreasonably tight lipped during his stay here.

Secondly, VCs.
Scum victory condition happens at a time when normally, they'd control vote majority on thread for a day.
In this game, they may remain a numerical minority regardless of their majority on thread. Hence, SH is likely to be very important to keep cult numbers down through guidance in the lynch.
We have the benefit of the doubt in that we know each other's role name and description. I think a lot, an awful lot even, is to be gained by revealing, if only so that when a player shows himself differently on thread than he did in SH, we can axe him from here on up.

Thirdly, Apost'leys.
These apparently are tied to factions - 1 for the cult (and we know from the OP that this one has the main recruitment ability), 1 town orientated (my guess is finder, personally), and 1 that is neutral in ability but can only be controlled by a town alignment player.
Hence, it is my reasoning that f that player becomes recruited, the Apost'ley moves.
They're not thinking that way on thread, and in fact, they're already on their way to confusing Spectres and Espers and losing track of finding cult by voting Thyr because he's a Spectre, not because they distrust him, like we do.

Fourthly, chances of us returning to thread.
I'd say they''re present, yet remote. We saw 3 deaths day 1 and 1 return. It may be that on days where a townie dies, someone returns. It may be that on days where there is a no-lynch, someone returns, in a quid pro-quo format. I have no clue if you are cleansed of alignment and returned to townie status when returning, but I assume we don't.

Now, since I expect all three of us to be town, I'd be interested in a debate on this.

Point by point:

1) I agree entirely. I believe the game was setup for Silanah to be here at the very beginning and return to life as either the cult master or first cult recruit at the end of the first successfully cult recruitment. She also displayed knowledge in this thread that she should probably not have had and didn't share anything. That all points to scum/cult in my mind.
2) I don't think that Silanah was offered an option. Thyrllan was not a player in the game at all until Silanah was resurrected into Thyr. There's no choice there; she didn't replace anyone, very much UNLIKE how Serc was booted out of Fener and someone else took control of Fener. THAT seems targeted.
3) Definitely possible. My guess is the cult Esper is what allows recruitment. So either she used it to recruit someone (and therefore revived), or it revived her in the process of performing the recruitment. As the person with the cult Esper dies, it will pass to another cult member and so recruitment continues normally. The Silanah-being-dead-as-game-begins was a one-time mechanic that probably will not happen again.
4) Agreed; addressed this above.