[Eloth]

Fener, on 20 June 2012 - 09:00 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 20 June 2012 - 05:33 PM, said:

Fener, on 20 June 2012 - 04:00 PM, said:

Right, I have Stuff To Do, and won't be back online for a good few hours. In which case, I need to vote.

Korv and Ampelas are looking like good bets for a lynch tonight. I'm going to

Vote Korvalain

and hope I've got enough time when I get back to catch up and possibly amend based on any arguments. Catch you all later!

Unacceptable on Day 2. This is exactly the kind of thing that breaks town and builds scum. Claiming to be looking through the posts and then just dropping a vote with a promise to discuss more is no good. Discuss now!

Sorry if Fener is town this is bad play, esp with all the spam he lays down. If he is scum, this is a style that works, but is still helluva annoying.

Well, I'm sorry if my other commitments don't coincide with your desires for posts, but there's shit-daddy-all I can do about that, sonny! You, however, could cut me some slack. I said I'd try to be back before day timed out, and, well, here I am. If Korv's self-vote means he gets mod-killed, then he takes himself out of the running for the lynch. We need clarification on this before we can go any further as far as I can see. If he doesn't get mod-killed (and really he deserves to), then by my count he's got lynched already, so any points I make now would be moot, as they'd mainly be contributing towards a Korv-lynch.

In sum: fuck you.

Here atrahal calls him on his crappy vote, and this is his defense.

[Eloth]

Fener, on 21 June 2012 - 07:43 AM, said:

People making serious signalling while also making with the funny? IT CANNOT BE BORNE!

I like the case, more for the interaction than for the symp, as I really don't think it would be at all wise for any symp to stand out so much on Day 1. It could have seriously bit Eloth on the ass, and would have been a risky play.

I did feel that Karosis pre-empt on Meanas was dodgy, but there wasn't much else to it at the time. Given that we were completely off-track with Korv, it probably makes sense to switch focus to some low-flying targets, and Karosis certainly fits that bill.


Vote Karosis


Edit: "certainly"

Liosan, on 21 June 2012 - 07:54 AM, said:

I think you guys have that case arse about face, karosis has voted for near everybody and jumps on every case going. At best he is a symp, but hell no one is going to go for ampelas it seems, so my case is just falling on deaf ears.

vote karosis

Dont think he is a killer, but he could be symping anyone as he seems like he just wants to lynch lynch lynch, and it seems not to care who the target is.

Omtose, on 21 June 2012 - 08:06 AM, said:

Isnt there a ton of time left? That was afast two votes after mine.
And i must admit that i left something out of my case. I had Amp for Karosis' partner based on my read. I didnt say that because i wanted to test that. Now that he jumped on right away, that idea is dashed...

Scum quickly building a train? Jumping on the first vote that they see and trying to get a quick lynch because they didn't get a kill off the night before.I am not the only one who thought something fishy was up.

editty to add last sentence.

This post has been edited by Eloth: 25 June 2012 - 05:19 PM

[Eloth]

Fener, on 21 June 2012 - 01:32 PM, said:

Eloth, on 21 June 2012 - 01:15 PM, said:

Anthras, on 21 June 2012 - 11:06 AM, said:

I would hope that the kill last night was because of a good guard so that we can get good information..(the guard can get good info and i am NOT asking him to reveal himself)

Their are two killers in the game thus a guard wouldn't do shit. A guard can only guard one person at a time. Leaving the other to kill. The only possible reason that their wasn't a kill had to have been due to a heal.

If that were the case, there would almost certainly have been two night kills in night 1. That there weren't suggests that even though there are two killers, they have to decide on a single target via signalling in the thread. Or maybe it's whoever PMs PS first. In fact -- though I might be getting this confused with another game -- I thought this had actually been stated outright.

Trying to act like a confused noob. That isn't how you have been playing to this point.

[Eloth]

All in all I think that there are quite a few connections between liosan and Fener. Liosan is out in front making cases while Fener is hiding in the back dropping votes and keeping his head down. I still think that Ano might be the other killer. After rereading the thread I am less certain about him and more suspicious about Fener and liosan and driss.

Remove vote.

Vote Fener

[Karosis]

Eloth, on 25 June 2012 - 05:27 PM, said:

All in all I think that there are quite a few connections between liosan and Fener. Liosan is out in front making cases while Fener is hiding in the back dropping votes and keeping his head down. I still think that Ano might be the other killer. After rereading the thread I am less certain about him and more suspicious about Fener and liosan and driss.

Remove vote.

Vote Fener

I like your case against Fener, a lot actually. I especially like that you've managed to connect D'riss to Fener and Liosan, as I still think D'riss is probably scum. I will wait to see what other townies think, and drop a vote when I have a better idea of where the lynch train is heading. I'd still like to see a D'riss lynch, but we'll see where others drop their votes.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 4. 13 hours and 37 minutes remaining
8 Players still alive: Anomandaris, Atrahal, Driss, Eloth, Fener, Karosis, Liosan, Omtose

5 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Fener ( Anomandaris )
1 Vote for Anomandaris ( Eloth )

Players not voted: Atrahal, Driss, Fener, Karosis, Liosan, Omtose

-Liz

[Eloth]

Path-Shaper, on 25 June 2012 - 05:40 PM, said:

It is Day 4. 13 hours and 37 minutes remaining
8 Players still alive: Anomandaris, Atrahal, Driss, Eloth, Fener, Karosis, Liosan, Omtose

5 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Fener ( Anomandaris )
1 Vote for Anomandaris ( Eloth )

Players not voted: Atrahal, Driss, Fener, Karosis, Liosan, Omtose

-Liz

*cough* not right *cough* *cough* share the crack*

[Eloth]

Path-Shaper, on 25 June 2012 - 05:40 PM, said:

It is Day 4. 13 hours and 37 minutes remaining
8 Players still alive: Anomandaris, Atrahal, Driss, Eloth, Fener, Karosis, Liosan, Omtose

5 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Fener ( Eloth )
1 Vote for Eloth (Anomandaris)

Players not voted: Atrahal, Driss, Fener, Karosis, Liosan, Omtose

-Liz

Fixed.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 4. 13 hours and 15 minutes remaining

8 Players still alive: Anomandaris, Atrahal, Driss, Eloth, Fener, Karosis, Liosan, Omtose

5 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Fener ( Eloth )
1 Vote for Eloth ( Anomandaris )

Players not voted: Atrahal, Driss, Fener, Karosis, Liosan, Omtose

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 25 June 2012 - 06:03 PM

[Eloth]

Karosis, on 25 June 2012 - 05:39 PM, said:

Eloth, on 25 June 2012 - 05:27 PM, said:

All in all I think that there are quite a few connections between liosan and Fener. Liosan is out in front making cases while Fener is hiding in the back dropping votes and keeping his head down. I still think that Ano might be the other killer. After rereading the thread I am less certain about him and more suspicious about Fener and liosan and driss.

Remove vote.

Vote Fener

I like your case against Fener, a lot actually. I especially like that you've managed to connect D'riss to Fener and Liosan, as I still think D'riss is probably scum. I will wait to see what other townies think, and drop a vote when I have a better idea of where the lynch train is heading. I'd still like to see a D'riss lynch, but we'll see where others drop their votes.

It isn't a totally hole less case. But there are enough subtle connection between the three of them with a lot of suspicious comments that it is as solid as I think any case can be.

[Karosis]

Eloth, on 25 June 2012 - 06:08 PM, said:

Karosis, on 25 June 2012 - 05:39 PM, said:

Eloth, on 25 June 2012 - 05:27 PM, said:

All in all I think that there are quite a few connections between liosan and Fener. Liosan is out in front making cases while Fener is hiding in the back dropping votes and keeping his head down. I still think that Ano might be the other killer. After rereading the thread I am less certain about him and more suspicious about Fener and liosan and driss.

Remove vote.

Vote Fener

I like your case against Fener, a lot actually. I especially like that you've managed to connect D'riss to Fener and Liosan, as I still think D'riss is probably scum. I will wait to see what other townies think, and drop a vote when I have a better idea of where the lynch train is heading. I'd still like to see a D'riss lynch, but we'll see where others drop their votes.

It isn't a totally hole less case. But there are enough subtle connection between the three of them with a lot of suspicious comments that it is as solid as I think any case can be.

Exactly - it's certainly more solid than any case that was ever made where people assumed you and I were a team. I am looking forward to hearing from D'riss and Atrahal and Fener and Ano about it.

[Anomandaris]

That is a good case by eloth. On phone so typing is awful.
Re move vote
Vote fener

I'm still wary of you but you seem to h ave found something.

If Fener turns out scum then you could still be throwing your partner under a bus which is a clever tactic

[Anomandaris]

Ducking bold!!

remove vote

Vote fener

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 4. 11 hours and 15 minutes remaining

8 Players still alive: Anomandaris, Atrahal, Driss, Eloth, Fener, Karosis, Liosan, Omtose

5 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Fener ( Eloth, Anomandaris )

Players not voted: Atrahal, Driss, Fener, Karosis, Liosan, Omtose

-Liz

[Fener]

A good case? It's a case built almost entirely on suspicion and projection, as far as I can see. There's nothing of substance in it to which I could respond -- but it has somewhat effectively started a train on me, for no apparent reason other than facile argument on Eloth's part and lack of thorough investigation or critical thought on the part of Anomandaris. And I find that highly suspicious.

Give me a case to answer, and I'll answer it. But the above does not constitute a case. It is finger-pointing of the most paranoid -- some might say culpable -- sort.

[Liosan]

so let me get this striaght, i spent the start of the day analysing the thread and voting and night actions, made my case that the scum is either driss and omtose or ano / you and fener. Then when you and ano start your little omgus out of nowhere i say its cause your scum and distancing anddont think fener is scum as a result cause he no longer fits in with the possible pairs. you (who made a weak case about ano, and ano who simply voted for you omgus style) suddenly become best fucking buds and vote for fener. I mean your reasoning is totally flawed, you say i dont answer your question yet dont even read what i am saying. i thought the voting of you two was a very poor attempt at distancing, but you are being so blatant about it now, i cant believe anyone else is gonna fall for this crap, but its been the same shit since day 1.

vote eloth

You yourself make a list of your suspects, you werent as sure in the wording as i may of came across, but your using what i said just to push forward from the groundwork of this post to meet your own agenda. dont know if you and ano thought you were defo for the chop or something and wanted to build some distance, but you certainly didnt waste any time jumping on the first 'slip' you saw. especially when i had already posted the same thing on friday, but because the wording wasnt suitable for you to blow out of proportion you ignored.

Heres you ano 'case' which mostly consists of u saying its omgus and saying he is crap at the game for voting you.

Eloth, on 25 June 2012 - 12:56 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on 22 June 2012 - 03:15 PM, said:

I will post more over the weekend. I want to see what others have to say first before taking action. I think Eloth is one of the killers. I'm not sure who i'd connect with him though. From Lio's analysis it looks like he is either going to try and link either D'riss or I to Eloth although I've been wanting to lynch him for a while now. If he is innocent i'll eat my hat. I am not sure what to make of Lio, his posts seem spot on in favour of town but he could be scum trying to be the perfect town and lead us down the wrong path. Say I believe Karosis then off the top of my head I have Karo, Omtose and Atrahal as labelled town.

However, Karosis was almost lynched yesterday and to buy himself and his partner another day he can reveal as healer and effectively PI himself picking someone he knows as town to help him out. Atrahal was one of those that wanted him lynched yesterday so he'd be a good choice. Unless Atrahal is his partner.

I have to go but i'll have a look at that possibility and others when I get back.

Anomandaris, on 25 June 2012 - 10:15 AM, said:

As I said i'm not going to have much time so for now

Vote Eloth

He is my top choice for one of the killers. There are others that could be his partner but I am fairly confident about him.

When this game is over. Either due to me being lynched and scum winning. I would like for you to post a picture of you eating your hat with only mustard please. The hat must fit your head and not be a small hat. It can be a hat of your choice. It does not need to be a cowboy hat with would be my choice.

I think that your scum radar sucks if your town. You haven't been right all game. The reason that you haven't been right is that your scum. You have managed to avoid getting any cases made on you because you have been making cases on everyone else. I am just your most recent target. Which is fine. If I am lynched it is no loss for town other then the next day is D D.

Right now my scum list is

Anomandaris
Fener
Driss

suspicious list
Omtose
Liosan
atrahal

PI
Karosis


Vote Anomandaris

Yes I know it is OMGUS. Still doesn't mean that I am wrong.

while here is what i posted earlier int he day that you seem either to have missed or conveniently ignored because it doesnt suit your sudden push for fener.

Liosan, on 22 June 2012 - 01:57 PM, said:

Looking at it, the attempt on atrahal would have put more pressure on eloth more than anyone, with omtose and driss a close second on suspicion. Would have cleared me and fener a bit, of course you could look at it the other way and assume either or both of us tried to kill atrahal to clear ourselves or other players not mentioned by atrahal. assuming scum didnt get it toally wrong and atrahal is towna nd not a symp, we have six players and three scum amongst them.

Anomandaris, -on every train, came up with the korbas case which brought about their lynch, but hasnt really made their own case since, rather joining middl or late ont he next two trains
Driss, - missed first train, but on second and thirdd with fener and omtose, named as a suspect by atrahal above on day when karosis says atrahal was targetted.
Eloth, - hasnt been on a train since day 1, been in the firing line all game, not sure if a successful night kill of atrahal would have saved or damned him, but it would certainly of caused a lot of discussion.
Fener, - has been discussed as very free with the votes, was almost on all three lynches, but for timing on day 1. Jumped around yesterday, and was sort of cleared by the atrahal post above.
Liosan, - its me!!!
Omtose - has been subject to a few votes and cases, ampelas voted him, then suddenly swapped to follow at the end. On last two trains along side driss and fener.

Out of all the players remaining eloth and ano are sitting with little or no connection to any players remaining. ano hasnt had any real pressure either all game, while eloth is the subject of quite a few votes.
You could say i followed fener onto the amp case a few days ago, but we have both posted our cases regarding him and we werenton the korv lynch together. fener is also linked by voting to driss and omtose, but not really by suspicion.

Personally i thinkits either driss and omtose, or ano /eloth / fener and they have done a great job of distancing each from other.

If atrahal is the symp that would make fener best target for scum, alongside ano whom he didnt mention.

Thoughts?

Its probably dday, and day will time out while i am in bed, i was saying all day there was a connection between these two and now they are pushing a random vote on the back of eloth simple shouting about something i said. Ano even pulled the begging act by saying he could have hammered karosis yesterday but somehow knew he was roled inno. Yeah he knew he was inno cause eloth and him are the killers.

[Eloth]

Liosan, on 25 June 2012 - 08:45 PM, said:

so let me get this striaght, i spent the start of the day analysing the thread and voting and night actions, made my case that the scum is either driss and omtose or ano / you and fener. Then when you and ano start your little omgus out of nowhere i say its cause your scum and distancing anddont think fener is scum as a result cause he no longer fits in with the possible pairs. you (who made a weak case about ano, and ano who simply voted for you omgus style) suddenly become best fucking buds and vote for fener. I mean your reasoning is totally flawed, you say i dont answer your question yet dont even read what i am saying. i thought the voting of you two was a very poor attempt at distancing, but you are being so blatant about it now, i cant believe anyone else is gonna fall for this crap, but its been the same shit since day 1.

vote eloth

You yourself make a list of your suspects, you werent as sure in the wording as i may of came across, but your using what i said just to push forward from the groundwork of this post to meet your own agenda. dont know if you and ano thought you were defo for the chop or something and wanted to build some distance, but you certainly didnt waste any time jumping on the first 'slip' you saw. especially when i had already posted the same thing on friday, but because the wording wasnt suitable for you to blow out of proportion you ignored.

Heres you ano 'case' which mostly consists of u saying its omgus and saying he is crap at the game for voting you.

Eloth, on 25 June 2012 - 12:56 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on 22 June 2012 - 03:15 PM, said:

I will post more over the weekend. I want to see what others have to say first before taking action. I think Eloth is one of the killers. I'm not sure who i'd connect with him though. From Lio's analysis it looks like he is either going to try and link either D'riss or I to Eloth although I've been wanting to lynch him for a while now. If he is innocent i'll eat my hat. I am not sure what to make of Lio, his posts seem spot on in favour of town but he could be scum trying to be the perfect town and lead us down the wrong path. Say I believe Karosis then off the top of my head I have Karo, Omtose and Atrahal as labelled town.

However, Karosis was almost lynched yesterday and to buy himself and his partner another day he can reveal as healer and effectively PI himself picking someone he knows as town to help him out. Atrahal was one of those that wanted him lynched yesterday so he'd be a good choice. Unless Atrahal is his partner.

I have to go but i'll have a look at that possibility and others when I get back.

Anomandaris, on 25 June 2012 - 10:15 AM, said:

As I said i'm not going to have much time so for now

Vote Eloth

He is my top choice for one of the killers. There are others that could be his partner but I am fairly confident about him.

When this game is over. Either due to me being lynched and scum winning. I would like for you to post a picture of you eating your hat with only mustard please. The hat must fit your head and not be a small hat. It can be a hat of your choice. It does not need to be a cowboy hat with would be my choice.

I think that your scum radar sucks if your town. You haven't been right all game. The reason that you haven't been right is that your scum. You have managed to avoid getting any cases made on you because you have been making cases on everyone else. I am just your most recent target. Which is fine. If I am lynched it is no loss for town other then the next day is D D.

Right now my scum list is

Anomandaris
Fener
Driss

suspicious list
Omtose
Liosan
atrahal

PI
Karosis


Vote Anomandaris

Yes I know it is OMGUS. Still doesn't mean that I am wrong.

while here is what i posted earlier int he day that you seem either to have missed or conveniently ignored because it doesnt suit your sudden push for fener.

Liosan, on 22 June 2012 - 01:57 PM, said:

Looking at it, the attempt on atrahal would have put more pressure on eloth more than anyone, with omtose and driss a close second on suspicion. Would have cleared me and fener a bit, of course you could look at it the other way and assume either or both of us tried to kill atrahal to clear ourselves or other players not mentioned by atrahal. assuming scum didnt get it toally wrong and atrahal is towna nd not a symp, we have six players and three scum amongst them.

Anomandaris, -on every train, came up with the korbas case which brought about their lynch, but hasnt really made their own case since, rather joining middl or late ont he next two trains
Driss, - missed first train, but on second and thirdd with fener and omtose, named as a suspect by atrahal above on day when karosis says atrahal was targetted.
Eloth, - hasnt been on a train since day 1, been in the firing line all game, not sure if a successful night kill of atrahal would have saved or damned him, but it would certainly of caused a lot of discussion.
Fener, - has been discussed as very free with the votes, was almost on all three lynches, but for timing on day 1. Jumped around yesterday, and was sort of cleared by the atrahal post above.
Liosan, - its me!!!
Omtose - has been subject to a few votes and cases, ampelas voted him, then suddenly swapped to follow at the end. On last two trains along side driss and fener.

Out of all the players remaining eloth and ano are sitting with little or no connection to any players remaining. ano hasnt had any real pressure either all game, while eloth is the subject of quite a few votes.
You could say i followed fener onto the amp case a few days ago, but we have both posted our cases regarding him and we werenton the korv lynch together. fener is also linked by voting to driss and omtose, but not really by suspicion.

Personally i thinkits either driss and omtose, or ano /eloth / fener and they have done a great job of distancing each from other.

If atrahal is the symp that would make fener best target for scum, alongside ano whom he didnt mention.

Thoughts?

Its probably dday, and day will time out while i am in bed, i was saying all day there was a connection between these two and now they are pushing a random vote on the back of eloth simple shouting about something i said. Ano even pulled the begging act by saying he could have hammered karosis yesterday but somehow knew he was roled inno. Yeah he knew he was inno cause eloth and him are the killers.

OMGUS. and you still haven't answered the questions.

[Eloth]

Liosan, on 25 June 2012 - 08:45 PM, said:

so let me get this striaght, i spent the start of the day analysing the thread and voting and night actions, made my case that the scum is either driss and omtose or ano / you and fener. Then when you and ano start your little omgus out of nowhere i say its cause your scum and distancing anddont think fener is scum as a result cause he no longer fits in with the possible pairs. you (who made a weak case about ano, and ano who simply voted for you omgus style) suddenly become best fucking buds and vote for fener. I mean your reasoning is totally flawed, you say i dont answer your question yet dont even read what i am saying. i thought the voting of you two was a very poor attempt at distancing, but you are being so blatant about it now, i cant believe anyone else is gonna fall for this crap, but its been the same shit since day 1.

vote eloth

You yourself make a list of your suspects, you werent as sure in the wording as i may of came across, but your using what i said just to push forward from the groundwork of this post to meet your own agenda. dont know if you and ano thought you were defo for the chop or something and wanted to build some distance, but you certainly didnt waste any time jumping on the first 'slip' you saw. especially when i had already posted the same thing on friday, but because the wording wasnt suitable for you to blow out of proportion you ignored.

Heres you ano 'case' which mostly consists of u saying its omgus and saying he is crap at the game for voting you.


Its probably dday, and day will time out while i am in bed, i was saying all day there was a connection between these two and now they are pushing a random vote on the back of eloth simple shouting about something i said. Ano even pulled the begging act by saying he could have hammered karosis yesterday but somehow knew he was roled inno. Yeah he knew he was inno cause eloth and him are the killers.

Um I have used your wording to say that your scum because if your town you figure out who is scum based off of who messes up their wording. Which you have done. There are questions that you still haven't answered. Until you do then you really aren't defending yourself or Fener your master.

[Fener]

Eloth, on 25 June 2012 - 08:51 PM, said:

Um I have used your wording to say that your scum because if your town you figure out who is scum based off of who messes up their wording. Which you have done. There are questions that you still haven't answered. Until you do then you really aren't defending yourself or Fener your master.

You appear to be operating under the delusion that repeating something often enough will make it true. Well, while you may well be scum, you're no Stalin, dude, and your falsehoods aren't convincing when it's just you bleating into the wilderness. Your own failure to answer questions, questionable statements of opinion as though they are incontrovertible fact, and, well, let's be honest, my own general antipathy, lead me to:

Vote Eloth

[Atrahal]

Ok you guys, back off. We have a hair trigger lynch today, and I want to get it right. I'll assume that people unwilling to reign it in are more likely scum playing the OMGUS card and hoping to rush the lynch. We have time.

Remove a vote from each train.