[Eloth]

Fener, on 20 June 2012 - 09:00 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 20 June 2012 - 05:33 PM, said:

Fener, on 20 June 2012 - 04:00 PM, said:

Right, I have Stuff To Do, and won't be back online for a good few hours. In which case, I need to vote.

Korv and Ampelas are looking like good bets for a lynch tonight. I'm going to

Vote Korvalain

and hope I've got enough time when I get back to catch up and possibly amend based on any arguments. Catch you all later!

Unacceptable on Day 2. This is exactly the kind of thing that breaks town and builds scum. Claiming to be looking through the posts and then just dropping a vote with a promise to discuss more is no good. Discuss now!

Sorry if Fener is town this is bad play, esp with all the spam he lays down. If he is scum, this is a style that works, but is still helluva annoying.

Well, I'm sorry if my other commitments don't coincide with your desires for posts, but there's shit-daddy-all I can do about that, sonny! You, however, could cut me some slack. I said I'd try to be back before day timed out, and, well, here I am. If Korv's self-vote means he gets mod-killed, then he takes himself out of the running for the lynch. We need clarification on this before we can go any further as far as I can see. If he doesn't get mod-killed (and really he deserves to), then by my count he's got lynched already, so any points I make now would be moot, as they'd mainly be contributing towards a Korv-lynch.

In sum: fuck you.

Pretty sure Korv got his fuck you in first.

[Fener]

Well, he only fucked himself and his team, whoever he ends up having been with. And as mine was addressed to Atrahal, I don't think anyone else's devalues it. The sentiment is certainly not lessened in any degree!

[Ampelas]

Anthras, on 20 June 2012 - 09:16 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 20 June 2012 - 09:05 PM, said:

Mostly what I like about today is how a couple of sides have been drawn, a few seeming alliances made. There's Liosan, Anomandaris, Karosis and perhaps D'riss. There's Eloth and Atrahal and possibly Anthras (sigh, I already see I'm going to have to read through again).

A productive lynch would be to lynch one of these, see how the trains develop, see how these semi-alliances hold up, see the CF, and then analyse accordingly. Now that would be fruitful.

You have listed 7 names above.
After the Korv lynch today and possibly the night kill 9 people will be alive next day and if 1 of the listed is not the night kill, You are suggesting we lynch one person out of 7 to get to see how alliances develop.Now considering you don't count yourself as scum(cliche)you are basically saying i am not scum and the scum are between these 7.


Edit:a wrong quote of eloth was in my post.
and wanted to add the fact that 2 you didn't mention were Fener and Omtose.

It was necessary to list the names in order to point out the worth of doing something like this as a counter-argument to the low poster lynch and as a pointer of why I believe today has been very useful. As I also said, I'm going to need to read through again. This in order to make a decision on who would be best to vote for as likeliest scum.

Unfortunately, this also goes against my predilection for voting Omtose. Having said that, though, I suppose Omtose by default falls into the anti-Eloth camp.

From posts made, I think my preference would be to vote Omtose (although it's now night technically, right?)
From interactions and links with/against other players, my vote would be Eloth or Atrahal.

No cases now though, it's too late, I'm too tired, and in any case my internet shuts in four minutes.

[Eloth]

Ampelas, on 20 June 2012 - 09:05 PM, said:

Mostly what I like about today is how a couple of sides have been drawn, a few seeming alliances made. There's Liosan, Anomandaris, Karosis and perhaps D'riss. There's Eloth and Atrahal and possibly Anthras (sigh, I already see I'm going to have to read through again).

A productive lynch would be to lynch one of these, see how the trains develop, see how these semi-alliances hold up, see the CF, and then analyse accordingly. Now that would be fruitful.

SIDES........................WTF..................This is a town/scum game. There are only two sides town and scum. This isn't a faction game. I will happily go along with anyone who figures out who scum is. Until then everyone needs to be trying to figure out who scum are and not breaking the town into factions.

[Omtose]

I'm reading up. I like how badly Eloth wants to lynch me. Even calling out PS to add a vote for me (which had actually been removed). See what you want to see, right?

I have another page to read, but the first page and a half or so has a real suspicion brewing in my mind. I saw a lot of votes for Korv but not a vote count yet.

I'm going to

Remove Vote

for the read-up.

[Omtose]

Well, that looks like a lynch, so my remove looks dumb.



Why did I remove? Because I think Eloth is a symp (he's just so damn over the top). BUT, as I was reading up I was beginning to believe he isn't Korv's symp. Why? Because he pushed his pissy/indignant/whiny up a full notch, which to me feels like he was egging us on to lynch Korv.

Next he'll say "I told you so" and push a lynch (most likely on me).

If Eloth is the symp, he's doing an awesome job. If he's not actually the symp, he's still doing an awesome symp job.

[Atrahal]

Not big on waiting, are you all. Also, I would recommend reading UP TO THE MOST RECENT POST before voting. Considering how easily Korv vacillated in and out of the hangman's noose, I would worry about accidental lynches in future days...

Any sign of PS?

[Atrahal]

I guess I will wait till we get some results from day and night before discussing any further. Not like anyone is around right now anyways...

[Path-Shaper]

11 Players still alive: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, Driss, Eloth, Fener, Karosis, Korvalain, Liosan, Omtose

6 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Ampelas ( Liosan, Karosis )
1 Vote for Omtose ( Eloth )
6 Votes for Korvalain ( Omtose, Driss, Anomandaris, Fener, Anthras, Korvalain )

Players not voted: Ampelas, Atrahal

There has been a Lynch.

The man had so much of his innocent life ahead of him.. That was, until he got strung up...

Korvalain(Lady Bliss) is dead. She was Innocent.

This post has been edited by Hath-Daper: 21 June 2012 - 01:55 AM

[Atrahal]

I just wanted to say before I have to hit the hay that I'm starting to wonder about Karo and his self-righteous act. He's been conveniently instrumental in 2 lynches, right place, right time (2 times the hammer).

[Path-Shaper]

In the night, all was quiet. Everyone awoke, terrified, but unharmed.
Night is over. No one has died.


It is Day 3. 31 hours and 53 minutes remaining

10 Players still alive: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, Driss, Eloth, Fener, Karosis, Liosan, Omtose

6 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.


Players not voted: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, Driss, Eloth, Fener, Karosis, Liosan, Omtose

[Karosis]

Atrahal, on 21 June 2012 - 02:02 AM, said:

I just wanted to say before I have to hit the hay that I'm starting to wonder about Karo and his self-righteous act. He's been conveniently instrumental in 2 lynches, right place, right time (2 times the hammer).

I did not hammer Korv, he hammered himself. I thought I was putting him at L-1, not hammering. I was confused, and miscounting, as I stated, and Anthras had the same issue with the vote count.

[Omtose]

No death! A reprieve!!!


I should have time today for an actual re-read. There are some people who I don't really have much idea about.

[Omtose]

Okey dokey, it's case time.


Looking back through day 1, this really stood out to me.

Meanas, on 18 June 2012 - 01:03 PM, said:

Fener, on 18 June 2012 - 12:59 PM, said:

Meanas, on 18 June 2012 - 12:32 PM, said:

FIRST!

Because those other two guys CLEARLY don't exist.

Is that a threat? *suspicious look*

Absolutely. Or maybe not. Don't ya' know? Non-existence is the best way toplay!

Alas, with not much yet to discuss, and too few people around to exchange lightbanter spam with, I shall have to depart for a good night's rest. Butfirst: Who the fuck did the alt distribution for this game? 4 A's and 3 K's?There are only 12 players, dammit...

In the interests of reducing confusion:

Vote Ampelas

Because that alt has slightly more of history of being scum than the other 3A's.

Karosis, on 18 June 2012 - 01:14 PM, said:

Meanas, on 18 June 2012 - 01:03 PM, said:

Fener, on 18 June 2012 - 12:59 PM, said:

Meanas, on 18 June 2012 - 12:32 PM, said:

FIRST!

Because those other two guys CLEARLY don't exist.

Is that a threat? *suspicious look*

Absolutely. Or maybe not. Don't ya' know? Non-existence is the best way toplay!

Alas, with not much yet to discuss, and too few people around to exchange lightbanter spam with, I shall have to depart for a good night's rest. Butfirst: Who the fuck did the alt distribution for this game? 4 A's and 3 K's?There are only 12 players, dammit...

In the interests of reducing confusion:

Vote Ampelas

Because that alt has slightly more of history of being scum than the other 3A's.

I feel this is a very well thought out argument, and can't see any reason whyanyone should want to vote differently.

vote Ampelas



Oh, and hello everyone!

<br style="mso-special-character: line-break;"><br style="mso-special-character: line-break;">Karosis basically joke votes a bunch of people, which is a rather safe day 1 play. Now, I believe that there is a good chance that Eloth is the symp, because if you think about it, his play brilliantly switched the lynch target on Day 1 and then viewing his hissy fits on day 2 it really appears like he was doing his best to egg us on to lynch Korv. Wham, he has just successfully ruined 2 days of lynches for his masters. Now, if you operate under the assumption that Eloth is a symp, I think this next post SCREAMS of signalling. It went unnoticed on day 1, but under scrutiny it looks suspicious.

Eloth, on 18 June 2012 - 01:19 PM, said:

Karosis, on 18 June 2012 - 01:14 PM, said:

Meanas, on 18 June 2012 - 01:03 PM, said:

Fener, on 18 June 2012 - 12:59 PM, said:

Meanas, on 18 June 2012 - 12:32 PM, said:

FIRST!

Because those other two guys CLEARLY don't exist.

Is that a threat? *suspicious look*

Absolutely. Or maybe not. Don't ya' know? Non-existence is the best way to play!

Alas, with not much yet to discuss, and too few people around to exchange light banter spam with, I shall have to depart for a good night's rest. But first: Who the fuck did the alt distribution for this game? 4 A's and 3 K's? There are only 12 players, dammit...

In the interests of reducing confusion:

Vote Ampelas

Because that alt has slightly more of history of being scum than the other 3 A's.

I feel this is a very well thought out argument, and can't see any reason why anyone should want to vote differently.

vote Ampelas



Oh, and hello everyone!

SYMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I found one. I found one. Karosis is a symp. Whooop. Day one signalling. I caught it.

I think Karosis is Eloth's master, and this is the signal. It looks like he's calling Karosis a symp, but in actuality he's simply informing him "Hey, this is day 1 signalling, I'm your symp."



Karosis at the end of the day switched votes from Korv to Korbas, in and of itself not suspicious, but convenient because he doesn't have to worry because either lynch is fine as far as scum is concerned.


What caught my suspicion was this post at the beginning of Day 2.

Karosis, on 19 June 2012 - 06:29 PM, said:

So when I read the night scene, I thought that Meanas's role was a silencer...Then I reread it, and realized that he IS Silencer. So, straight off the bat, Iwould say the killers are trying to make it seem like I'm the one that wentafter Meanas - I'd just like to say right up front that it would have been avery dumb move for me to kill the person I had an on-thread fight with, so I'mhoping that no one takes it that way. I think we should start looking at peoplewho weren't too close to Meanas during day yesterday. I've still got a D'Rissitch, but I'll take some time to go through the thread again, see if I can pickup anything more interesting.

<br style="mso-special-character: line-break;"><br style="mso-special-character: line-break;">

Here he basically pre-emptively tries to stave off arguments that might tie him to a Meanas kill. If we want to analazye how scum might play, I would say that scum are more likely to consider in advance what might make them look suspicious, and try to appear helpful by heading off that line of thought before they actually might have to respond to accusation. This is scum play speculation, based on motive, not just strategy.


So in summary, I think Eloth is a symp and Karosis is one of his masters.


Vote Karosis

[Ampelas]

You know what, despite what I was saying earlier about you, I like this case a lot Omtose. Plus, you having made it kind of now invalidates the non-commital argument. As for Karosis, I think I've ben blinded to most of the things he's said thus far because I was solely focusing on his attempts to indict me, but now several people have pointed out other dodgy behaviour, including this case.

vote Karosis

I won't be around for the next 12 hours or so.

[Ampelas]

Karosis, on 21 June 2012 - 02:09 AM, said:

Atrahal, on 21 June 2012 - 02:02 AM, said:

I just wanted to say before I have to hit the hay that I'm starting to wonder about Karo and his self-righteous act. He's been conveniently instrumental in 2 lynches, right place, right time (2 times the hammer).

I did not hammer Korv, he hammered himself. I thought I was putting him at L-1, not hammering. I was confused, and miscounting, as I stated, and Anthras had the same issue with the vote count.

This does not ring true. when he voted, it looked like he wanted to hammer Korv for being a self-voter. Instead of sticking with that, he's trying to make his vote look less harmless (in intention. Obviously his vote was harmless because Korv had already hammered herself). This kind of retconning makes it look more scummy, not less.

And now I am off.

[Liosan]

What exactly is the rush here folks? Its supposed to be a game, but you lot are trying to go hell for leather.

@korv - that helped no one, you had plenty of options, you could have got behind my case on ampelas or put out a few suggestions about who you think is scum, it says your town, but you robbed us of the info from who was the hammer.

@amp - So from posting nothing for the first day, you have suddenly popped up as mister thread driver. No one thinks this is suspicious? or the fact your following omtose onto karosis, whose case on korvalain stemmed from day 1 speculation and day 2 consisted of basically saying day 1 was a derail!

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. 26 hours and 38 minutes remaining
10 Players still alive: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, Driss, Eloth, Fener, Karosis, Liosan, Omtose

6 votes to lynch, 5 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Karosis ( Omtose, Ampelas )

Players not voted: Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, Driss, Eloth, Fener, Karosis, Liosan

-Liz

[Liosan]

Ampelas, on 20 June 2012 - 08:08 PM, said:

I am going to respond to several posts over my next few posts. Then I will post a conclusion.

Liosan, on 20 June 2012 - 08:05 AM, said:

If ampelas had of posted it with some reasoning like above we might have taken a different view, the fact that he comes up with a good reasoning a day late when the number of people questioning it has gone from two to four is more than a little odd and makes the complete lack of content on day 1 all the more striking.

vote ampelas

You know i didnt like the way you were playing on day 1, and this response proves to my mind that it was a deliberate attempt at not posting rather than having nothing to say.

First and most importantly 'had of' is gramatically incorrect. There is no need for the 'of' in that sentence.

So Liosan, what exactly is odd? That I came back and gave more reasoning for my Anomandaris vote after people had asked for it? Would it not have been more odd/more annoying had I said nothing more at all on the subject?

You did not like the way I played on day 1? If this was because of my low number of posts, that's fine, I get that. However, your wording suggests you actually didn't like the way I was playing from the content of my 4 or 5 posts, which is strange. How can one be rubbed the wrong way from so few posts? If that is really your viewpoint, then I suggest you have some sensitivity issues.

Yeah, i am sensitive because you posted nothing, no i think you understand perfectly well that i didnt like your contribution saying that i flat out state you made none. Frankly yeah, it is odd that you come back on with a reasonable statement about your voting hours later when people start questioning it. Day 1 you could say more than a couple of words and once the finders dead you have turned into a rather talkative and bolchy player, throwing your weight around the thread. Reading through your defence of my case, it seems you spent more time complaining about my grammar and tone than actually addressing the points brought up. You seem to deliberately not want to get involved on day 1, your posting times are fairly irregular which makes me suspect you spend a lot of time lurking.

Ampelas, on 20 June 2012 - 07:21 PM, said:

Here.

Ampelas, on 20 June 2012 - 08:31 PM, said:

Liosan, on 20 June 2012 - 02:19 PM, said:

In fact given that we have lost the finder it looks like both ampelas and korvalain have changed their playstyle slightly (though given ampelas barely posted yesterday it wouldnt take much. I definitely think ampelas is a low posting scum, but i can see where driss is coming from with the korvalain case too, and we also might get more info from a korvalain lynch as they were central to the behaviour of a few players yesterday, and have garnered enough attention today to give us a lot of links to other players through voting and thread activity if we get a scum result off their lynch.

Thoughts?

How have I changed my posting style. Day 1 I posted little and I responded when asked directly. Day 2 I have done the same. Where is this change? Instead of saying it arbitrarily, back up your assertion please.

Well lets see, you went from saying "Here" or "here again" to

Ampelas, on 18 June 2012 - 10:39 PM, said:

What would you like me to comment on?

If it's who I find the most scummy right now, it's you Fener, for so quickly following

If it's on what I make of the game so far - I have no comment for the moment.

and

Ampelas, on 18 June 2012 - 10:41 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 18 June 2012 - 10:23 PM, said:

Yeah, Meanas is pretty random.

remove Vote

Ampelas, on 18 June 2012 - 04:40 PM, said:

Here.

Ampelas, on 18 June 2012 - 09:44 PM, said:

Here again.

Scum or lazy townie, you've got to do better than that. ^^

vote Ampelas

Point me towards your contribution if you may be so kind. I keep looking, but I can't seem to find it.

Ampelas, on 18 June 2012 - 11:12 PM, said:

Right, I've just realised I'm not going to be around at all for the next 22 hours or so, so I'm placing my vote now.

Vote Anomandaris

Because he's the killer. Duh.

That was pretty much your day 1 contribution. You make no effort to participate on thread, you made one vote which you explain by simply saying he is a killer, duh. The supposed response to direct queries is a basic OMGUS response of "its not me its you".


Now your day 2 responses which as anyone can see show a distinct change in volume if nothing else, though you still arent really saying anything just becoming more verbose in your defence of doing nothing on day 1.

Ampelas, on 20 June 2012 - 08:43 PM, said:

I've cut and clumped some of Ano's comments in one here.

First, NO case had picked up steam yet. The votes were only trickling in. It would be hours yet before any individuals started having votes poured on them. So no, there were no other more useful places to put my vote, particularly as I didn't agree with any of the cases put forward at that point. I should vote for something I don't agree with? Sure, if we need to get a lynch and time is running out. But this was still very early in the day, with many many hours left. So no, I don't agree with just piling on my vote on whoever had the most at the time. Now that would have been stupid of me.

Was my vote useful? No.

But then neither were the votes that led to the lynch of Korbas.

Should I have given my reasoning then and there for the Ano vote? Maybe.

But my reasoning, which I belatedly gave to you, was weak and arbitrary in any case. So would it have made a difference? Probably not.

Was my vote a 'lazy' vote? Decidedly not.

The lazy thing to do would have been to vote for the person/s with the most votes at the time, especially when I didn't agree with it.


So far, the only true points you guys have made against me is that I have been a low contributor. This is true. Time constraints etc. The rest about my vote and supposed changes in patterns of play are ridiculous fictitions which have been made up in order to add more 'meat' to any case on me. But they don't hold up.

Ampelas, on 20 June 2012 - 08:48 PM, said:

Yep, that's what I'm saying. I had little time and that was the option left to me. I would do it again in the same situation, with nothing that had been said at that point sticking out for me.

Sure I can contribute, I'm not a moron. But I am also not someone who spams the thread. If I see something worth commenting on, I'll do it. Speaking of which, I have to say you guys have posted some great stuff this day, and I'll be commenting on it just as soon as I finish responding to all this fan mail

You can contribute, but your yet to contribute, at all.

Ampelas, on 20 June 2012 - 09:00 PM, said:

So is that a Korvalain lynch or not?

Anyways, what I get from the comments/cases made on me is that people have seen a low poster who has after all said just enough for them to make a case out of it. Some think me an easy target for a lynch, others are just following. Some of you might be scum, others just not thinking straight. There is no valid argument against me except for the one that I am a low contributor, which, on a day like today when so much good stuff has been posted, is one of the weaker arguments to pursue. But I guess I'm biased in that regard.

I still like Eloth's (and now Atrahal's) arguments for an Omtose vote. I would in fact go so far as to say that that has been my one truly contributing post so far, where I commented on exactly why I personally found Omtose suspicious.

Now because I disagree with a player not participating I am trying for an easy lynch, despite the fact that the korvalain lynch seemed to have already reached critical mass and was about to go off, and no one else seemed willing to committ to lynching you. I voted you on day 1 for not playing, and no one followed up, then on day 2 when you made a cursorer effort then disappeared again and no one followed up. For an easy lynch, ampelas your still here.

Finally you actually discuss something about the thread, with no evidence to back anything up and just an arbitrary grouping of pretty much every other player.

Ampelas, on 20 June 2012 - 09:05 PM, said:

Mostly what I like about today is how a couple of sides have been drawn, a few seeming alliances made. There's Liosan, Anomandaris, Karosis and perhaps D'riss. There's Eloth and Atrahal and possibly Anthras (sigh, I already see I'm going to have to read through again).

A productive lynch would be to lynch one of these, see how the trains develop, see how these semi-alliances hold up, see the CF, and then analyse accordingly. Now that would be fruitful.

So where do omtose and yourself fit in to this grand scheme, now you followed them on a vote should we group the two of you as well? Also kinda rich saying we should analyse the trains and the cf when you have done none of that throughout the game.

[Liosan]

Ampelas, on 21 June 2012 - 07:05 AM, said:

Karosis, on 21 June 2012 - 02:09 AM, said:

Atrahal, on 21 June 2012 - 02:02 AM, said:

I just wanted to say before I have to hit the hay that I'm starting to wonder about Karo and his self-righteous act. He's been conveniently instrumental in 2 lynches, right place, right time (2 times the hammer).

I did not hammer Korv, he hammered himself. I thought I was putting him at L-1, not hammering. I was confused, and miscounting, as I stated, and Anthras had the same issue with the vote count.

This does not ring true. when he voted, it looked like he wanted to hammer Korv for being a self-voter. Instead of sticking with that, he's trying to make his vote look less harmless (in intention. Obviously his vote was harmless because Korv had already hammered herself). This kind of retconning makes it look more scummy, not less.

And now I am off.

fener did the same thing on the end of the korbas lynch, vote wise. its also not the first time karo has done something odd in the vein of vocal self defence, after meanas was nk'ed he came on and immeadiately distanced himself from the kill, without anyone even suggesting he had been involved.