[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 7 hours and 41 minutes remaining

11 Players still alive: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, Driss, Eloth, Fener, Karosis, Korvalain, Liosan, Omtose

6 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Ampelas ( Liosan, Karosis )
4 Votes for Korvalain ( Omtose, Driss, Anomandaris, Fener )
1 Vote for Omtose ( Eloth )

-Liz

[Atrahal]

Ok, I'm on lunch and am running out of time myself. But here is what I'm thinking: I agree that Amp is playing dodgy. I thought he was just waiting for Day 2 to get rolling, and seemed so at the start of this day. However, with the "Here" and gone posting, I agree that he is not really being all that helpful and comes across as avoidant. That being said, I am really curious about this connection made between Amp and Korv.

This was one of the things I hadn't caught on day 1 when I was trying to establish some connection between Korv and another player. Instead of Korv having someone who defended him against the lynch train, he instead seemed to have the perfect distancing move in voting for Amp and removing that vote. And now he can agree that Amp was annoying and changed behavors without much "connection" because after all, he put pressure on Amp and even voted for him.

Korv's distancing and Amp's lack of useful voting (including not voting for Korv) I think puts a pretty convincing connection in place. However, I'm unsure which one is more likely the killer if they both aren't killers. The thing that throws me is Korv's bluster and blundering posts. And Amp is a low poster who is getting a lot of attention as well, which bothers me. I am more inclined to think at least one scum will be leading the charge and trying to be a "good, hardworking" townie.

There is enough though right now to convince me that Korv is still a good bet, even after being given all of Day 2 to redeem himself (same chance was given to Amp as well, with disappointing results...). Once again, I think we were spot on in sensing abnormalities on day 1, so I'm ready to follow through.

Vote Korvalain.

[Atrahal]

Remove vote

I'll definitely be back in 7 hours, so I don't want to lose that time for discussion (L-1 is too close and Korv is around. I want to hear what he has to say, esp about Amp)

[Korvalain]

Atrahal, on 20 June 2012 - 05:46 PM, said:

Remove vote

I'll definitely be back in 7 hours, so I don't want to lose that time for discussion (L-1 is too close and Korv is around. I want to hear what he has to say, esp about Amp)

OK, sorry I haven't responded yet. I am trying to wrap up work for the day and am pissed off at my vpn connection, plus like I said I'm not feeling real great. I know you all don't care.

That said, please ask me straight up about what you want on Amp, and I'll answer it.

No, I'm not distancing myself from him. I would be ok with putting my vote on Amp, I haven't liked the way he's playing all game. I originally voted for him just for his 'here' and 'here again' votes, and like I stated earlier, I removed only because he started to post, and I wanted to give him a chance to play before making a decision on him. His drive by on Ano was very odd, and I felt like there was no basis for it.

[Ampelas]

Here.

[Korvalain]

Ampelas, on 20 June 2012 - 07:21 PM, said:

Here.

I hate you.

[Ampelas]

Actually, no, wait, I'm not. I've caught up, but I'm going to go take a shower first, and then I'll come back and respond.

Wait, I almost forgot: I should give reasoning for the shower right? Can't leave you all confused and wondering.

I'm going to take a shower first because it was 42 degrees outside (that's 108F for you Americans). Hope that's a good enough reason.

[D'riss]

Christ, it's almost like Ampelas WANTS to be lynched. Amp. You don not have to announce your presence every time you appear. I promise.

I'm getting set to leave work, and as it is 7am I plan to be asleep when the day times out. I'm happy with my vote, so it will stay where it is.

Good morning everyone!

[Ampelas]

Here again.

[Anthras]

i don't get it,why are people voting for Korv exactly? if someone explains it to me i promise i will vote him.

[Ampelas]

I am going to respond to several posts over my next few posts. Then I will post a conclusion.

Liosan, on 20 June 2012 - 08:05 AM, said:

If ampelas had of posted it with some reasoning like above we might have taken a different view, the fact that he comes up with a good reasoning a day late when the number of people questioning it has gone from two to four is more than a little odd and makes the complete lack of content on day 1 all the more striking.

vote ampelas

You know i didnt like the way you were playing on day 1, and this response proves to my mind that it was a deliberate attempt at not posting rather than having nothing to say.

First and most importantly 'had of' is gramatically incorrect. There is no need for the 'of' in that sentence.

So Liosan, what exactly is odd? That I came back and gave more reasoning for my Anomandaris vote after people had asked for it? Would it not have been more odd/more annoying had I said nothing more at all on the subject?

You did not like the way I played on day 1? If this was because of my low number of posts, that's fine, I get that. However, your wording suggests you actually didn't like the way I was playing from the content of my 4 or 5 posts, which is strange. How can one be rubbed the wrong way from so few posts? If that is really your viewpoint, then I suggest you have some sensitivity issues.

[Ampelas]

Liosan, on 20 June 2012 - 08:23 AM, said:

I did think an ampelas lynch was the better option as out of everyone his day 1 contribution was the worst

My contribution was bad because I was a low poster. So you wanted to lynch a low poster. I'm sure that would have got you a lot to go on afterwards, good tactics.

[Anthras]

And i just noticed something else:(which made me get the reasoning behind Korv vote)
in last days lynch Korbas was behind Korv by my vote until several people (Eloth,Atrahal,Liosan ,Karosis )
suddenly voted and lynched him.So it probably means that Korv was scum and other scum rallied support for one of two other guys who had the potential for vote and it means that at least 1 of four last votes on Korb was
scum.(probably the symp)
So for now:

Vote Korvalain

[Korvalain]

Frankly I'm getting sick of defending myself. And if I defend myself then I'm accused of scrambling, and if I don't then I'm avoiding the issue. I don't feel like we are making any real progress against team scum because of this, and I'll be damned if I want to spend another day doing this.

Good fucking luck. Go fuck yourselves.

vote Korvalain

[Anthras]

Remove vote


cause we still have time and boy that lynch would be bad.
and Korv ,if you can explain to me why the train suddenly turned i will be very happy.
(or other players on the turned train)

[Ampelas]

Liosan, on 20 June 2012 - 02:19 PM, said:

In fact given that we have lost the finder it looks like both ampelas and korvalain have changed their playstyle slightly (though given ampelas barely posted yesterday it wouldnt take much. I definitely think ampelas is a low posting scum, but i can see where driss is coming from with the korvalain case too, and we also might get more info from a korvalain lynch as they were central to the behaviour of a few players yesterday, and have garnered enough attention today to give us a lot of links to other players through voting and thread activity if we get a scum result off their lynch.

Thoughts?

How have I changed my posting style. Day 1 I posted little and I responded when asked directly. Day 2 I have done the same. Where is this change? Instead of saying it arbitrarily, back up your assertion please.

[Karosis]

Korvalain, on 20 June 2012 - 08:25 PM, said:

Frankly I'm getting sick of defending myself. And if I defend myself then I'm accused of scrambling, and if I don't then I'm avoiding the issue. I don't feel like we are making any real progress against team scum because of this, and I'll be damned if I want to spend another day doing this.

Good fucking luck. Go fuck yourselves.

vote Korvalain

Gods, if you don't want to play Mafia, then don't fucking sign up for a game asshat. Self-voting is just about the stupidest thing anyone can do - it's like "Wahhhhh, things aren't going my way so I'm going to rage quit"

remove vote
vote Korvalain

Cause you're a baby

[Anthras]

and boy i was reading the thread again and i noticed something.
Eloth and Atrahal were both on the turned train then Day1 ends and in Day2 they both vote Omtose in quick succession.Take what you will of that.

[Karosis]

Anthras, on 20 June 2012 - 08:33 PM, said:

and boy i was reading the thread again and i noticed something.
Eloth and Atrahal were both on the turned train then Day1 ends and in Day2 they both vote Omtose in quick succession.Take what you will of that.

Well, Atrahal did mention that Eloth was suspicious a few times today, but he never laid a vote down on him. Could just be distancing, though, so you MAY be on to something, though I doubt it would be THAT obvious if they were working together.

[Anthras]

well i just mentioned what i saw.
and remove that vote by the way,maybe he has some answers we haven't seen on the thread for ourselves.(and cut him some slack,he says he has had a dentist appointment and those are not fun)