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Karosis, on 11 June 2012 - 02:10 AM, said:
Galain, on 11 June 2012 - 01:50 AM, said:
His defence from what? The claim that he must be the Batman because I'm not dead and didn't lose my BP?! The order of resolution is the very CRUX of this case because his defense MAKES SENSE OTHERWISE, you idiot! His subsequent attempts at staying alive are weak and suspicion-inducing but if we're wrong about what *should* have happened in the night resolution everything else falls down around it!
What a fucking selfish move. IGMEOY tomorrow, ESPECIALLY if Spite comes up town.
What a fucking selfish move. IGMEOY tomorrow, ESPECIALLY if Spite comes up town.
There is no reason why any player would have gained from targetting Spite for a kill last night. Town + Cults are looking for Batman, so they wouldn't have wanted to disrupt the attack on you, and if they had they would have stepped forward. Batman is looking for CLs, so he wouldn't have bothered attacking a townie. Ergo his defence that someone attacked him last night causing him to lose a BP and subsequently caused an action failure is, IMO, a lie. Which means I think your stuff is irrelevant to the case at hand. I'm sure PS will be happy to enlighten you as to how he would interpret the scenario that is being discussed. If I'm wrong, then so be it.
And it's now 3AM and I have work tomorrow. So further discussion will have to wait until the morning.
EDIT: I had accidentally quoted Galain twice.
Which is really just a load of WIFOM and speculation? I tend to agree with everything you've posited, but it *IS* WIFOM, not sound reasoning. The Batman may very well have tried to kill Spite for WIFOM-inducing reasons: after all, we had two roles out on thread with announced actions, and the Batman still needs to LIVE to win, so removing his enemies' ability to find him is a sound move, is it not? He also might have chose to attack Spite for a number of other reasons we can't fathom becuase he's the goddamn Batman. He may have thought that Spite was lying and a CL, ffs. And *that* is why your argument sucks - because it's WIFOM and we can therefore invent plenty of reasons and counter-reasons to our heart's content.
Whereas with the order of resolution case, it's Spite and Telas claiming to have targetted me, me saying I was not in fact hit, and then Spite claiming he was targetted by others to explain that. We have on-thread claims which can be tested against something, not just speculation on whether a player would do X or Y.
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Anomandaris, on 11 June 2012 - 02:14 AM, said:
Galain, on 11 June 2012 - 02:09 AM, said:
D, on 11 June 2012 - 01:59 AM, said:
Galain, on 11 June 2012 - 01:50 AM, said:
His defence from what? The claim that he must be the Batman because I'm not dead and didn't lose my BP?! The order of resolution is the very CRUX of this case because his defense MAKES SENSE OTHERWISE, you idiot! His subsequent attempts at staying alive are weak and suspicion-inducing but if we're wrong about what *should* have happened in the night resolution everything else falls down around it!
What a fucking selfish move. IGMEOY tomorrow, ESPECIALLY if Spite comes up town.
What a fucking selfish move. IGMEOY tomorrow, ESPECIALLY if Spite comes up town.
And I'm eying you.
This is a pretty strong reaction, thus far.
Well, I was TRYING to imply that I'd be eying everyone no matter what, but Karosis especially.
And yeah, it's a strong reaction, because I'm a bit tired of people doing ludicrious things for poor reasons. We've just had, as several people pointed out and one player suicided over, a massive thread on why bad town play fucks games. And here we have Karosis, who would rather 'night might be resolved when he wakes up', than do the SENSIBLE thing and CONFIRM the case we're putting forward is logically sound rather than just blindly trusting the claims made by me and others and ignoring the fact that we have clear cases of conflicting information? You'll forgive me if I get a bit worked up over that. I was more than happy to vote Spite, Hammer or not, but as you yourself point out we were pressuring Spite for more information, for his opinions on people, AND waiting for Path-Shaper to get back to us, and Karosis just wanders on and calmly hammers? WHAT THE FUCK?!?!
Should Spite come back town/recruit, people will undoubtedly claim that my "strong reaction" is trying to distance myself from the fallout and make myself look innocent - I'm not. I myself was going to vote Spite HOURS ago without a second thought, and I still think the case is pretty solid. I'm just pissed that some people couldn't WAIT A FEW MORE FUCKING HOURS TO BE SURE, and/or save ourselves from a bad lynch. So yeah, strong reaction here. I thought we were reasonably past this shit in this game up to now, but apparently I was wrong in being a bit opitimistic.
You're not innocent!
But really, hope he CFs batman, obviously. Just caught up before catching some serious Z's. I should be on in the morning when day starts.
Nice, lol. At least you left the context in, haha. XD
Let's hope we get some confirmation of our lynch choice soon...I don't want to sit here in the Twilight Limbo until "tomorrow morning" for everyone. :S
