[Emurlahn]

Korbas, on 11 June 2012 - 08:39 PM, said:

Emurlahn, on 11 June 2012 - 08:35 PM, said:

D, on 11 June 2012 - 06:56 PM, said:

I think it is too early to start the infighting. Two more Big Bat jumps is far more dangerous to everyone at this point than getting Cult Leaders. Let's get Batman one more time and then I think it'll be safe to let the faction fight begin.

Well as per a broadcast we know at least Telas is either recruited or a recruiter. With your reasoning I'd say you'd be the same. The Batman has not decreased the size of town at all, all he has ever done is kill Ampelas. Yes he has to take out 2 more CL's but at the same time the CL's are decreasing the size of us. I agree we need to discuss the next move. At the moment it is in my mind that we do try and lynch Batman one more time. The recruiter will have a good indication who they have recruited and who was not recruitable though so in my opinion the CL's have a lot more information than town. If we lynch the BM and they have a good indication of who is town it can be dangerous for us if they have better numbers than us. Can someone do WCS so we know what numbers we are talking about? If we go for a CL then his recruits will protect him somewhat although the other CL will want him lynched so his faction can get rid of the CL with us. All that would mean is we have one CL left who will take two lynches to lynch at the least. It's complicated and that's why i'm waffling a little here. If we get the BM again then the CL's may make a play against each other. How about a proposal to the BM. We have to kill you twice to have any hope of winning but we also have to kill CL twice also. If you come clean who you are we don't lynch you today and we go for a CL. Then once one of them have gone we lynch you and then go for another CL. I don't know if someone else can flesh this idea out more but i'm getting less and less trustworthy of players. On the topic of waiting all bloody day for the thread to unlock it was very frustrating. I was ready to play all day and waiting for the time PS said the thread would open, that came and went and I kept coming back to see if it was open yet. On BM selecting a new player, what if he chose a CL but didn't have any other options/provisionals? Or picked both CL's as a successor thinking that'd be okay. If that was the case then who would Spite think of as a CL. On another note he may have been away from the thread for a long time before picking his successor.

Emurlahn is batman.

Vote Emurlahn

Cross post with you How do you work that one out. I've just revealed I get to pick from a cache which is easily provable come tomorrow.

[Emurlahn]

PS must still be resolving then. I just read my PM which would be a bitch if i'm recruited

[Path-Shaper]

For all you can see this night was quite uneventful.

It is Day 6. 31 hours and 59 minutes remaining

12 Players still alive: Anomandaris, Atrahal, D'riss, Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Karosis, Korbas, Liosan, Omtose, Rashan, Telas

7 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night.


Players not voted: Anomandaris, Atrahal, D'riss, Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Karosis, Korbas, Liosan, Omtose, Rashan, Telas

-Liz

[Telas]

Okay Korbas, why is Emur Batman? I was actually going to point out that Emur ignoring the Shelly death as a possible Batman kill could mean that he now knows it wasn't Batman...but then Emur came up with the cache of weapons stuff. Although that does nothing yet but prove that Emur was a townie, which we knew before from when he shot Eloth (or that he pays attention to the thread ).

[Emurlahn]

So all my wondering above still counts. I'll have to wait to use my gun. So we can look at suggestions for that today. For now though i'd like to hear from EVERYONE about what they'd like to do today.

[Path-Shaper]

A good morning message from Poison Ivy.

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Good morning meatbags, life's been pretty boring in my little copse of trees, so I sent Bane out to kill Galain and Emurlahn last night. They have both survived, so take that as you will!

-Liz

[Telas]

By the way, I may not be around much tomorrow (and going to bed now). Doing a lot of travelling, so my presence will be dependent on the availability of wi-fi on the train.

[Emurlahn]

Telas, on 11 June 2012 - 09:22 PM, said:

Okay Korbas, why is Emur Batman? I was actually going to point out that Emur ignoring the Shelly death as a possible Batman kill could mean that he now knows it wasn't Batman...but then Emur came up with the cache of weapons stuff. Although that does nothing yet but prove that Emur was a townie, which we knew before from when he shot Eloth (or that he pays attention to the thread ).

I forgot about Shelly. Although I am still uncertain as to whether BM killed them. If CL's have killing powers which they could have then why would a rival CL not take out Shelly? Shelly was being rather annoying and one of the broadcasts did point to her and me.

I cannot be BM. Not today anyway. I have a gun that I can used tomorrow. IF I was BM I wouldn't want to just buy one more day as this would see me taken out tomorrow if you don't see the gun used. The BM HAS to die twice more. If I was one death then that'd make it harder for the last BM to win the game.

[Telas]

Path-Shaper, on 11 June 2012 - 09:25 PM, said:

A good morning message from Poison Ivy.

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Good morning meatbags, life's been pretty boring in my little copse of trees, so I sent Bane out to kill Galain and Emurlahn last night. They have both survived, so take that as you will!

-Liz

Quite interesting. Don't know about Emur, but Galain will claim his BP kicked in....


So let's all start the "double-BP" slip arguments

[Emurlahn]

Plus the broadcast said SL and Emurlahn are his. Which with what Eloth said about double recruitment is entirely possible. meh you see my point

[Emurlahn]

Path-Shaper, on 11 June 2012 - 09:25 PM, said:

A good morning message from Poison Ivy.

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Good morning meatbags, life's been pretty boring in my little copse of trees, so I sent Bane out to kill Galain and Emurlahn last night. They have both survived, so take that as you will!

-Liz

Well Poison Ivy. Is Bane one of your recruits? Who is to say he did what you wanted him to do? If he definately did target us then I must have been healed although how can I believe you? Why would you choose to target Galain when you knew he had a BP? Unless you thought he was lying? BP's don't protect from recruitment though so if you haven't recruit Galain then that must mean you think one of us is BM. Galain is pretty quiet and could quite possibly be Batman but from my stance he could also be town as i now know he is not in your faction. If the other CL can come out and say Galain has NOT been recruited then that would mean he is either still town or BM.

[Karosis]

Telas, on 11 June 2012 - 08:03 PM, said:

Karosis, on 11 June 2012 - 07:14 PM, said:

Telas, on 11 June 2012 - 06:59 PM, said:

But how can there be connections between players when no one knows who else might be on their team....not even the CLs would know if someone has been re-recruited I would guess....


Don't be a silly sausage

Well, you tell me. Presumably you know who your master is, so that's somewhere we can start. Every CL knows who he/she has recruited, and ergo that those players are not town. They could well treat those players differently. Players who have been re-recruited will know multiple CLs and might be hostile towards the previous one. There's more than enough there to get started. You can look back over previous days to try and spot changes in behaviour, you can look for people acting oddly towards other players, you can do as you suggested and start trains on leaders to see what happens. There are multiple ways to cut this cake, and to suggest that we have no information to go on is very disingenous.

I get the feeling that you've just decided to respond negatively to anything I say. How very blinkered of you. First, I never said there was no way to get information (how very disingenuous of you ), but I did point out that most of those ways would also mean revealing pretty much outright who the remaining CLs are, which at this point I doubt even those not recruited want to do, so I'm finding it quite weird that you'd be bringing this up now. That's also my second point - even if there are recruits out there who know both masters, why on earth would they want to start outing them now?


I'm really not sure what you expected the rest of us to say to you. There can't be any communal strategy between all of us on this matter because we're NOT all on the same team, we're simply (thinly) united by a common cause for the time being. So like someone else said - let's kill the Bat and then start squabbling.

Actually, I just disagree with what you've said. Just because you put smiley faces in your posts doesn't mean I should be overly polite to you, you know. There's an obvious reason why I'm bringing this up now - because the game is rapidly passing the point where town can win unless we do something drastic. As has been brought up several times over the course of the game, town don't really have a way to hold off the Cults if the game goes on too long. Ideally in my view, people who've picked up guns would be looking to target people they think have a good chance of being either a member of the Penguin or Poison Ivy cults (according to my notes we've killed off one member of each cult, so WCS they've been recruiting successfully every other time and are the same size) or the Batman. When you have two threats to not being able to win the game, it makes sense to try to prevent both equally.

EDIT: X-post with the PI message.

This post has been edited by Karosis: 11 June 2012 - 09:44 PM

[Emurlahn]

I will look for clues on thread as to who is who but for now

Vote Korbas

You were asked a question by Telas and we'd like it answering before you go mute!

[Korbas]

Telas, on 11 June 2012 - 09:22 PM, said:

Okay Korbas, why is Emur Batman? I was actually going to point out that Emur ignoring the Shelly death as a possible Batman kill could mean that he now knows it wasn't Batman...but then Emur came up with the cache of weapons stuff. Although that does nothing yet but prove that Emur was a townie, which we knew before from when he shot Eloth (or that he pays attention to the thread ).

You mentioned a few points that I hadn't considered.

That post reeked of eagerness and possibly nervousness. It was long, and poorly worded. It didn't read as Emur's style, to me. Which means something caused him to change his style. He got the added pressure of being the B man.

Honestly, that post just set off my "what?"-dar. Nothing concrete.

Path-Shaper, on 11 June 2012 - 09:25 PM, said:

A good morning message from Poison Ivy.

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Good morning meatbags, life's been pretty boring in my little copse of trees, so I sent Bane out to kill Galain and Emurlahn last night. They have both survived, so take that as you will!

-Liz

Who did she claim was Bane? I forget.

This kinda adds to the Emurlahn things.

[Emurlahn]

Karosis, on 11 June 2012 - 09:36 PM, said:

Telas, on 11 June 2012 - 08:03 PM, said:

Karosis, on 11 June 2012 - 07:14 PM, said:

Telas, on 11 June 2012 - 06:59 PM, said:

But how can there be connections between players when no one knows who else might be on their team....not even the CLs would know if someone has been re-recruited I would guess....


Don't be a silly sausage

Well, you tell me. Presumably you know who your master is, so that's somewhere we can start. Every CL knows who he/she has recruited, and ergo that those players are not town. They could well treat those players differently. Players who have been re-recruited will know multiple CLs and might be hostile towards the previous one. There's more than enough there to get started. You can look back over previous days to try and spot changes in behaviour, you can look for people acting oddly towards other players, you can do as you suggested and start trains on leaders to see what happens. There are multiple ways to cut this cake, and to suggest that we have no information to go on is very disingenous.

I get the feeling that you've just decided to respond negatively to anything I say. How very blinkered of you. First, I never said there was no way to get information (how very disingenuous of you ), but I did point out that most of those ways would also mean revealing pretty much outright who the remaining CLs are, which at this point I doubt even those not recruited want to do, so I'm finding it quite weird that you'd be bringing this up now. That's also my second point - even if there are recruits out there who know both masters, why on earth would they want to start outing them now?


I'm really not sure what you expected the rest of us to say to you. There can't be any communal strategy between all of us on this matter because we're NOT all on the same team, we're simply (thinly) united by a common cause for the time being. So like someone else said - let's kill the Bat and then start squabbling.

Actually, I just disagree with what you've said. Just because you put smiley faces in your posts doesn't mean I should be overly polite to you, you know. There's an obvious reason why I'm bringing this up now - because the game is rapidly passing the point where town can win unless we do something drastic. As has been brought up several times over the course of the game, town don't really have a way to hold off the Cults if the game goes on too long. Ideally in my view, people who've picked up guns would be looking to target people they think have a good chance of being either a member of the Penguin or Poison Ivy cults (according to my notes we've killed off one member of each cult, so WCS they've been recruiting successfully every other time and are the same size) or the Batman. When you have two threats to not being able to win the game, it makes sense to try to prevent both equally.

I agree with this. We know Telas is recruited or his name was put out there by himself as a recruiter saying he is his recruit. There is no benefit to town to voting off a known recruit and that could be a way for Telas to hide.

[Korbas]

Emurlahn, on 11 June 2012 - 09:36 PM, said:

I will look for clues on thread as to who is who but for now

Vote Korbas

You were asked a question by Telas and we'd like it answering before you go mute!

I'm busy, dickhole.

[Omtose]

So my first thought is that the previous batman(spite) would want to pick a known recruit as their successor. That gives them instant knowledge of one of the two remaining CLs. I'm going to look at Telas and Rashan. Rashan is particularly quiet. There may be something on sign in times.

[Korbas]

Omtose, on 11 June 2012 - 09:42 PM, said:

So my first thought is that the previous batman(spite) would want to pick a known recruit as their successor. That gives them instant knowledge of one of the two remaining CLs. I'm going to look at Telas and Rashan. Rashan is particularly quiet. There may be something on sign in times.

This is a good thought.

[Emurlahn]

Korbas, on 11 June 2012 - 09:37 PM, said:

Telas, on 11 June 2012 - 09:22 PM, said:

Okay Korbas, why is Emur Batman? I was actually going to point out that Emur ignoring the Shelly death as a possible Batman kill could mean that he now knows it wasn't Batman...but then Emur came up with the cache of weapons stuff. Although that does nothing yet but prove that Emur was a townie, which we knew before from when he shot Eloth (or that he pays attention to the thread ).

You mentioned a few points that I hadn't considered.

That post reeked of eagerness and possibly nervousness. It was long, and poorly worded. It didn't read as Emur's style, to me. Which means something caused him to change his style. He got the added pressure of being the B man.

Honestly, that post just set off my "what?"-dar. Nothing concrete.

Path-Shaper, on 11 June 2012 - 09:25 PM, said:

A good morning message from Poison Ivy.

Quote

Good morning meatbags, life's been pretty boring in my little copse of trees, so I sent Bane out to kill Galain and Emurlahn last night. They have both survived, so take that as you will!

-Liz

Who did she claim was Bane? I forget.

This kinda adds to the Emurlahn things.

All those thoughts came throughout the day. I've been at my computer all day and had various points to make.

Answer me why you'd think i'd mention a cache? If you look I haven't had much heat at all. I could've stayed low but 1] I have more time to play now and 2] i was getting worried about d day for town.

Now for you to jump onto something so small it makes you look dodgy as hell. Your post leader and have had a strong town vibe all game, people listen to you so you are definately a good choice for Batman. Spite had to pick someone she thinks could win as Batman. Unless she picked someone she disliked. Galain would've also been a good choice but not because he is a thread leader but he is good at talking defense!

[Telas]

Emurlahn, on 11 June 2012 - 09:28 PM, said:

Telas, on 11 June 2012 - 09:22 PM, said:

Okay Korbas, why is Emur Batman? I was actually going to point out that Emur ignoring the Shelly death as a possible Batman kill could mean that he now knows it wasn't Batman...but then Emur came up with the cache of weapons stuff. Although that does nothing yet but prove that Emur was a townie, which we knew before from when he shot Eloth (or that he pays attention to the thread ).

I forgot about Shelly. Although I am still uncertain as to whether BM killed them. If CL's have killing powers which they could have then why would a rival CL not take out Shelly? Shelly was being rather annoying and one of the broadcasts did point to her and me.

I cannot be BM. Not today anyway. I have a gun that I can used tomorrow. IF I was BM I wouldn't want to just buy one more day as this would see me taken out tomorrow if you don't see the gun used. The BM HAS to die twice more. If I was one death then that'd make it harder for the last BM to win the game.

Eh, not really. If the Bat kills another CL in the meantime, then the sacrifice might be judged well worth it. The final Batman could quite easily hide in the number of people left - and if they somehow know the remaining CLs, then I can see the sacrifice being well worth it actually.