[Omtose]

Path-Shaper, on 07 June 2012 - 11:39 PM, said:

It is Day 3. 8 hours and 21 minutes left.

17 Players still alive: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Atrahal, D'riss, Eloth, Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Karosis, Korbas, Korvalain, Liosan, Omtose, Rashan, Spite, Telas, Thyrlann

9 votes to lynch, 9 votes to go to night.

6 Votes for Eloth ( Anomandaris, Omtose, Fener,Telas, Atrahal, Spite )
1 Vote for Fener ( Karosis )
1 Vote for Liosan ( Rashan )


Players not voted: Ampelas, D'riss, Emurlahn, Galain, Korbas, Korvalain, Liosan, Thyrlann

-Liz

I think you missed Amp for Eloth.

[D'riss]

Gracias.

I'm thinking I'll probably tag with putting the Kaibosh on Two-Face, so as to both remove Two-Face as a recruiter and a roadblock to other candidates.

Rashan's lynch train was deftly derailed, back onto Eloth, by the message from Path-Shaper, so I could WIFOM the hell out of that, but one of those switcharoos is that he did it to save his own balls as a CL.

Korv looks like he is getting attention.

Thryllan, Omtose, Liosan are three who I find more overtly suspicious, while Anomandaris and Emurlahn are just lurking there, which is where my blind spots usually are.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3. 8 hours and 14 minutes left.

17 Players still alive: Ampelas, Anomandaris, Atrahal, D'riss, Eloth, Emurlahn, Fener, Galain, Karosis, Korbas, Korvalain, Liosan, Omtose, Rashan, Spite, Telas, Thyrlann

9 votes to lynch, 9 votes to go to night.

7 Votes for Eloth ( Anomandaris, Omtose, Ampelas Fener,Telas, Atrahal, Spite )
1 Vote for Fener ( Karosis )
1 Vote for Liosan ( Rashan )


Players not voted: D'riss, Emurlahn, Galain, Korbas, Korvalain, Liosan, Thyrlann
-ment

[D'riss]

Damn, I didn't even think of Galain and he's posted a lot.

Hrrm. Add him to blind-spot big time.

[Telas]

D, on 07 June 2012 - 11:46 PM, said:

Gracias.

I'm thinking I'll probably tag with putting the Kaibosh on Two-Face, so as to both remove Two-Face as a recruiter and a roadblock to other candidates.

Rashan's lynch train was deftly derailed, back onto Eloth, by the message from Path-Shaper, so I could WIFOM the hell out of that, but one of those switcharoos is that he did it to save his own balls as a CL.

Korv looks like he is getting attention.

Thryllan, Omtose, Liosan are three who I find more overtly suspicious, while Anomandaris and Emurlahn are just lurking there, which is where my blind spots usually are.

That is an excellent point about Rashan.

[D'riss]

Wait, PI claimed Rashan didn't she? No reason to do that and only CLs have that ability (we assume). Scratch that.

[Omtose]

D, on 07 June 2012 - 11:53 PM, said:

Wait, PI claimed Rashan didn't she? No reason to do that and only CLs have that ability (we assume). Scratch that.

Yes that's why we stopped looking at Rashan.

[Telas]

D, on 07 June 2012 - 11:53 PM, said:

Wait, PI claimed Rashan didn't she? No reason to do that and only CLs have that ability (we assume). Scratch that.

Yes, but you made me think it could have been Rashan himself who is PI, and when he saw the votes piling on him, he sent out a message pretending that he was a recruit of PI's, rather than PI herself. Something to bear in mind anyway.

[D'riss]

I'm not going to put Eloth at L-1 with this much time. So, I'll save the vote for later. I'll be on til lynch.

Glad Meanas, Osserics, and his shit spewing is absent from the thread.

[D'riss]

Telas, on 07 June 2012 - 11:58 PM, said:

D, on 07 June 2012 - 11:53 PM, said:

Wait, PI claimed Rashan didn't she? No reason to do that and only CLs have that ability (we assume). Scratch that.

Yes, but you made me think it could have been Rashan himself who is PI, and when he saw the votes piling on him, he sent out a message pretending that he was a recruit of PI's, rather than PI herself. Something to bear in mind anyway.

Good place for a town find, anyways.

God, I feel like Batman's work is being done for him, but evidently it isn't just yet.

[Telas]

D, on 08 June 2012 - 12:02 AM, said:

Telas, on 07 June 2012 - 11:58 PM, said:

D, on 07 June 2012 - 11:53 PM, said:

Wait, PI claimed Rashan didn't she? No reason to do that and only CLs have that ability (we assume). Scratch that.

Yes, but you made me think it could have been Rashan himself who is PI, and when he saw the votes piling on him, he sent out a message pretending that he was a recruit of PI's, rather than PI herself. Something to bear in mind anyway.

Good place for a town find, anyways.

God, I feel like Batman's work is being done for him, but evidently it isn't just yet.

I know what you mean, but at the same time the only way we can find Batman (unless a finder comes through) is by eliminating the other options ourselves.

[Karosis]

Hey guys, I'm back again. Are we really going for Eloth for the 3rd day running? It does seem a little unhealthy - as I've alluded to in the past, we need to make our lynches useful in terms of the information they uncover. I don't feel like we're going to get much more info from this one - we already know most of what Eloth can tell us. Wouldn't it make more sense to lynch a Batman suspect? This mass reveal thing makes it a lot easier for Batman to achieve his goals, since he has a reduced pool of players to pick the CLs out of. The more of that we do, the quicker we're going to have to be at starting to kill the Batman. It's particularly reckless to be making things easier for the Batman to find CLs AND bringing him closer to achieving his goals by getting rid of a CL.

I guess we reduce the rate of cult recruitment and this is a one-time opportunity. But I'm not sure that's worth it given how much easier the last few hours must have made the game for Batman.

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anyway, since Fener doesn't seem to be the Batman.

[D'riss]

Well, at least we'd finally be rid of the recruiter we spent 100% of our time so far trying to lynch.

It seems as though random kills might thin the herd in the Batman search on their own. The question becomes: is random lynch better than CL lynch at this time? Until we've got a better idea of who Batman is, and have possible ways of detecting and depriving further recruitment, that this is still a good lynch, if not the best possible outcome.

Edit: to add "and have" after is,

This post has been edited by D'riss: 08 June 2012 - 12:14 AM

[Spite]

Karosis, on 08 June 2012 - 12:07 AM, said:

Hey guys, I'm back again. Are we really going for Eloth for the 3rd day running? It does seem a little unhealthy - as I've alluded to in the past, we need to make our lynches useful in terms of the information they uncover. I don't feel like we're going to get much more info from this one - we already know most of what Eloth can tell us. Wouldn't it make more sense to lynch a Batman suspect? This mass reveal thing makes it a lot easier for Batman to achieve his goals, since he has a reduced pool of players to pick the CLs out of. The more of that we do, the quicker we're going to have to be at starting to kill the Batman. It's particularly reckless to be making things easier for the Batman to find CLs AND bringing him closer to achieving his goals by getting rid of a CL.

I guess we reduce the rate of cult recruitment and this is a one-time opportunity. But I'm not sure that's worth it given how much easier the last few hours must have made the game for Batman.

Remove Vote

anyway, since Fener doesn't seem to be the Batman.

There are still reasons to lynch Eloth. First, we want to see if recruits revert to town. Second, we want to reduce the recruitment rate.

Also, by reducing the pool of possible big 5, we make it easier to find BM as well as to find a CL. This, plus the bat witch hunt technique should net us a bat sooner or later...

[Karosis]

Telas, on 08 June 2012 - 12:07 AM, said:

D, on 08 June 2012 - 12:02 AM, said:

Telas, on 07 June 2012 - 11:58 PM, said:

D, on 07 June 2012 - 11:53 PM, said:

Wait, PI claimed Rashan didn't she? No reason to do that and only CLs have that ability (we assume). Scratch that.

Yes, but you made me think it could have been Rashan himself who is PI, and when he saw the votes piling on him, he sent out a message pretending that he was a recruit of PI's, rather than PI herself. Something to bear in mind anyway.

Good place for a town find, anyways.

God, I feel like Batman's work is being done for him, but evidently it isn't just yet.

I know what you mean, but at the same time the only way we can find Batman (unless a finder comes through) is by eliminating the other options ourselves.

This might work better if we lynch some people rather than just revealing everywhere. Batman has 4 lives, and there are 4 CLs. If Batman can kill a CL per night, then we need to be able to kill Batman faster than that. It's not happening unless we're ahead of the curve, and in order to do that we have to do some lynching (or at least, use our kills in a much more intelligent fashion than we have been up until now) in order to make sure that we hit the BM before he starts hitting CLs.

I have no idea why Fener wasted a vig on Anthras - his admission that he had a gun meant that he wasn't Batman, and that's not who we're looking for. Letting him kill Telas, and then making the vig useful by targetting someone we have suspicions about seemed like a much more prudent course of action.

[D'riss]

Karosis, on 08 June 2012 - 12:20 AM, said:

Telas, on 08 June 2012 - 12:07 AM, said:

D, on 08 June 2012 - 12:02 AM, said:

Telas, on 07 June 2012 - 11:58 PM, said:

D, on 07 June 2012 - 11:53 PM, said:

Wait, PI claimed Rashan didn't she? No reason to do that and only CLs have that ability (we assume). Scratch that.

Yes, but you made me think it could have been Rashan himself who is PI, and when he saw the votes piling on him, he sent out a message pretending that he was a recruit of PI's, rather than PI herself. Something to bear in mind anyway.

Good place for a town find, anyways.

God, I feel like Batman's work is being done for him, but evidently it isn't just yet.

I know what you mean, but at the same time the only way we can find Batman (unless a finder comes through) is by eliminating the other options ourselves.

This might work better if we lynch some people rather than just revealing everywhere. Batman has 4 lives, and there are 4 CLs. If Batman can kill a CL per night, then we need to be able to kill Batman faster than that. It's not happening unless we're ahead of the curve, and in order to do that we have to do some lynching (or at least, use our kills in a much more intelligent fashion than we have been up until now) in order to make sure that we hit the BM before he starts hitting CLs.

I have no idea why Fener wasted a vig on Anthras - his admission that he had a gun meant that he wasn't Batman, and that's not who we're looking for. Letting him kill Telas, and then making the vig useful by targetting someone we have suspicions about seemed like a much more prudent course of action.

Underlined: Highly doubtful as of right now, though, isn't it? Makes CL more of a threat in my eyes if they are so damned hard to kill that an outted one can take a lynch, a day-kill, and presumably what Batman threw at him.

[Telas]

Karosis, on 08 June 2012 - 12:20 AM, said:

Telas, on 08 June 2012 - 12:07 AM, said:

D, on 08 June 2012 - 12:02 AM, said:

Telas, on 07 June 2012 - 11:58 PM, said:

D, on 07 June 2012 - 11:53 PM, said:

Wait, PI claimed Rashan didn't she? No reason to do that and only CLs have that ability (we assume). Scratch that.

Yes, but you made me think it could have been Rashan himself who is PI, and when he saw the votes piling on him, he sent out a message pretending that he was a recruit of PI's, rather than PI herself. Something to bear in mind anyway.

Good place for a town find, anyways.

God, I feel like Batman's work is being done for him, but evidently it isn't just yet.

I know what you mean, but at the same time the only way we can find Batman (unless a finder comes through) is by eliminating the other options ourselves.

This might work better if we lynch some people rather than just revealing everywhere. Batman has 4 lives, and there are 4 CLs. If Batman can kill a CL per night, then we need to be able to kill Batman faster than that. It's not happening unless we're ahead of the curve, and in order to do that we have to do some lynching (or at least, use our kills in a much more intelligent fashion than we have been up until now) in order to make sure that we hit the BM before he starts hitting CLs.

I have no idea why Fener wasted a vig on Anthras - his admission that he had a gun meant that he wasn't Batman, and that's not who we're looking for. Letting him kill Telas, and then making the vig useful by targetting someone we have suspicions about seemed like a much more prudent course of action.

It seems that it will take even Batman time to take out a CL - why else is Eloth even alive still?

And are you saying here you have suspicions about me? About me being what? I think you need to read back again.

[Telas]

Oh no, sorry, I see what you meant there, my mistake.

But I think Fener put in his kill order before Anthras admitted he had a gun, so there was nothing to be done there (thankfully for me )

[Eloth]

WHAT. THE . MOTHERFUCK.

town, your objective is to lynch the motherfucking goddamned batman.
You are not even trying.

So if I go down, and you motherfuckers lose the game:

don't even think of whining to Ment and Liz that this game was unfair.
You guys just lost the fucking plot and focused on side issues while all the time you are worried about not finding the goddamned Batman.
You're not dinding him because you are not even looking.

And why? Because you rather be whiners than losers. You'd rather lynch the known target and claim balance was wrong when you inevitably lose, than lynch wrongly several times and stand a chance.
Fuck it, I made every single decision to give town a chance to win. I vigged Meanas, I practically gave you my role PM yesterday and made you guys see that I would be the perfect roadblock to slow Batman down.

And in fucking fact, you didn't believe me then, and now, you once more go against your best interest and try and waste another lynch on me.
If you guys are so fucking scared of lynching town (or pretending to), how are you ever going to lynch the Batman?

Forget Big Tent Mafia. Mafia is dead. Because you c**ts are just not able to pull your heads out of your arses and recognise the fact that sometimes, doing the good thing takes colleteral damage.

EDIT: grammar.

This post has been edited by Eloth: 08 June 2012 - 12:31 AM

[Karosis]

Spite, on 08 June 2012 - 12:14 AM, said:

Karosis, on 08 June 2012 - 12:07 AM, said:

Hey guys, I'm back again. Are we really going for Eloth for the 3rd day running? It does seem a little unhealthy - as I've alluded to in the past, we need to make our lynches useful in terms of the information they uncover. I don't feel like we're going to get much more info from this one - we already know most of what Eloth can tell us. Wouldn't it make more sense to lynch a Batman suspect? This mass reveal thing makes it a lot easier for Batman to achieve his goals, since he has a reduced pool of players to pick the CLs out of. The more of that we do, the quicker we're going to have to be at starting to kill the Batman. It's particularly reckless to be making things easier for the Batman to find CLs AND bringing him closer to achieving his goals by getting rid of a CL.

I guess we reduce the rate of cult recruitment and this is a one-time opportunity. But I'm not sure that's worth it given how much easier the last few hours must have made the game for Batman.

Remove Vote

anyway, since Fener doesn't seem to be the Batman.

There are still reasons to lynch Eloth. First, we want to see if recruits revert to town. Second, we want to reduce the recruitment rate.

Also, by reducing the pool of possible big 5, we make it easier to find BM as well as to find a CL. This, plus the bat witch hunt technique should net us a bat sooner or later...

How does lynching Eloth make it easier to find Batman? It's not a big 5 at this point because we know exactly who Eloth is, it's more like a big 4 + 1. We get no closer by lynching a known quantity.

I don't see how knowing whether people get deprocessed upon their leader's death is valuable enough to be worried about at this point. If we assume that Batman is capable of doing his job to some degree, then we will find this out the moment one of the CLs dies. This will be well before we need the information (which is only useful as we near the end game and have to make calculations about whether it's worth ending the game or not). So it's not critical in the slightest that we know this at the current time (unlike Day 2, where there were lots of bits of info that were useful to know earlier rather than later).

The one point I will agree with you on is reducing the recruitment rate. That is something we get out of it. But as I said before, there are 4 CLs and Batman has 4 lives. Better to lynch someone else today - if we hit the Batman, then we're ahead of the curve. That is, the number of deaths we need to inflict is less than the number he does. At that point, I'll feel comfortable taking some time out to reduce our recruitment rate. Waiting that extra day will cost us one more townie, but they will go to one of the smaller cults, so it's not too big a loss in exchange for having a head start in the bat-killing.