[Rashan]

haha meant fifty/fifty, as in 50% right 50% wrong. I can see how that looks like a math fail

[Thyrllan]

Now you mention it Atrahal, I had completely forgotten about our little wander down Lynch Korvalain Lane, hand-in-hand with Rashan. I guess we could say mistakes were made, shit happens etc. Or that Rashan is actually 0/0, only knowing about Mockra not through genius intuition but because of a find or worse - that worse being he's been messing us all along and is a zombie. People are really on their game today. Or just extra paranoid My back and forthing here has a reason, because it could be either thing so far as I fucking know. On the one hand, based on PS' scenes, I can totally see where Ano is coming from about Olar. On the other, I don't like the way Rashan just dismissed his Korv case and told us not to look at it. Methinks we need to properly digest all this, so I will

Vote Serc

to even out the trains, and because I think screw you guys I'm gonna follow my own genius intuition. Now I reckon Serc's been recruited, because of what I and Osseric saw in Omtose's posting.

[Osseric]

I can see where there are similarities between Olar and Rashan and I understand what you are saying Kalse but out of the two I had Rashan down as a leader, a day or two ago (though I suppose I have to be careful of this as well), not just because of how he generally posts (and he does lead) which could also be indicative of a zombie. Olar I was unsure about and have been for a while. I was leaning more towards human after spite's full reveal but reading through the thread again, a few things made me do a double take, most of which I've already posted about. He was talking as if he had information and was a finder of some kind, therefore a leader but it does not quite add up with the last day's play and that is making me hesitate. I get that in his pursuit of Kasch he didn't want to reveal anything that could hurt his faction but that could be said of him belonging to any faction, human or cult and it doesn't help the strength of the argument either way.

In saying that we have seen zombies set up cases before implicating one of the other zombie alts and used this to make themselves seem innocent, or make it look like they are symping, so in that light Rashan's case on Mockra cannot be used as unassailable evidence that he is human. My gut says that Rashan is the more likely to be human though despite this.

Either way I don't want to vote until Olar has answered some of the accusations made against him.

[Thyrllan]

Osseric, on 07 May 2012 - 10:17 PM, said:

I can see where there are similarities between Olar and Rashan and I understand what you are saying Kalse but out of the two I had Rashan down as a leader, a day or two ago (though I suppose I have to be careful of this as well), not just because of how he generally posts (and he does lead) which could also be indicative of a zombie. Olar I was unsure about and have been for a while. I was leaning more towards human after spite's full reveal but reading through the thread again, a few things made me do a double take, most of which I've already posted about. He was talking as if he had information and was a finder of some kind, therefore a leader but it does not quite add up with the last day's play and that is making me hesitate. I get that in his pursuit of Kasch he didn't want to reveal anything that could hurt his faction but that could be said of him belonging to any faction, human or cult and it doesn't help the strength of the argument either way.

In saying that we have seen zombies set up cases before implicating one of the other zombie alts and used this to make themselves seem innocent, or make it look like they are symping, so in that light Rashan's case on Mockra cannot be used as unassailable evidence that he is human. My gut says that Rashan is the more likely to be human though despite this.

Either way I don't want to vote until Olar has answered some of the accusations made against him.

Yeap, I pretty much agree and second this statement.

[Spite]

Thyrllan, on 07 May 2012 - 10:06 PM, said:

Now you mention it Atrahal, I had completely forgotten about our little wander down Lynch Korvalain Lane, hand-in-hand with Rashan. I guess we could say mistakes were made, shit happens etc. Or that Rashan is actually 0/0, only knowing about Mockra not through genius intuition but because of a find or worse - that worse being he's been messing us all along and is a zombie. People are really on their game today. Or just extra paranoid My back and forthing here has a reason, because it could be either thing so far as I fucking know. On the one hand, based on PS' scenes, I can totally see where Ano is coming from about Olar. On the other, I don't like the way Rashan just dismissed his Korv case and told us not to look at it. Methinks we need to properly digest all this, so I will

Vote Serc

to even out the trains, and because I think screw you guys I'm gonna follow my own genius intuition. Now I reckon Serc's been recruited, because of what I and Osseric saw in Omtose's posting.

I think if Serc were recruited his DR would drop to 1 being a zombie. And having actually read the thread, I can see that Telas tried to kill him last night DR 3 I believe. So, no, serc is human IMO.

[Thyrllan]

Spite, on 07 May 2012 - 10:24 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on 07 May 2012 - 10:06 PM, said:

Now you mention it Atrahal, I had completely forgotten about our little wander down Lynch Korvalain Lane, hand-in-hand with Rashan. I guess we could say mistakes were made, shit happens etc. Or that Rashan is actually 0/0, only knowing about Mockra not through genius intuition but because of a find or worse - that worse being he's been messing us all along and is a zombie. People are really on their game today. Or just extra paranoid My back and forthing here has a reason, because it could be either thing so far as I fucking know. On the one hand, based on PS' scenes, I can totally see where Ano is coming from about Olar. On the other, I don't like the way Rashan just dismissed his Korv case and told us not to look at it. Methinks we need to properly digest all this, so I will

Vote Serc

to even out the trains, and because I think screw you guys I'm gonna follow my own genius intuition. Now I reckon Serc's been recruited, because of what I and Osseric saw in Omtose's posting.

I think if Serc were recruited his DR would drop to 1 being a zombie. And having actually read the thread, I can see that Telas tried to kill him last night DR 3 I believe. So, no, serc is human IMO.

I wasn't sure whether Telas' reply was serious or not. I'd like him to come out and tell us. Not sure about the DR thing - I just checked the OP and it doesn't say - but it's probably a safe assumption.

In a totally unrelated note, I'd like a show of hands about who'd like to see Serc finish this game alive, whatever he is. Anyone? Anyone?

[Anomandaris]

Olar Ethil, on 07 May 2012 - 11:53 AM, said:

How many zombies are left 4? Something like that? I think you have realised i'm not in your faction and that i'd be a good lynch whilst the zombies are weak. They won't be able to kill me or recruit me with so little a number but you think it'd be good for other members of your faction to vote off mine? I'd soon have the zombies vote along with my faction and get rid of you for this betrayal. I call it a betrayal because I know you are a human albeit in a different faction to mine. Without stooping so low i'd like to hear what others have to say first. If the zombies started off with 10 and 6? have died then I don't see them as big a threat today than all the other days, we could keep going I'd like to have a look at Tellan, Ruse and Serc maybe. Obviously Serc because he has pretended to be the priest most of the game and we know he isn't so who actually is he? A lot of the zombies have been middle to low posters and it would surprise me if at least one was a high poster. This reason for the other two as well. Ruse keeps prodding and asking questions and being over zealous in the hunt for zombies that he could actually be one pretending to "look" for more. Tellan pings my zombie dar for different reasons. Something feels "off" about him but i'd need a proper re read to point the finger properly.

Okay, this was unexpected. I accuse OE of being a zombie and he comes back with a post along the lines of "You're lying, I'm a faction leader". To be honest I had thought it was unlikely that a faction leader would stick their neck out like he did and that it was far more likely that he was a zombie. But very kind of him to educate me as to the error of my ways. The underlined bits are pretty unequivocal, IMO. There's no way anyone except a player with high DR and the ability to make finds would say either of them. Could he be pretending? Seems unlikely to me - too much risk and not enough reward.


We're in a position where the numbers have tipped to the point that the zombies are less of a threat, so I feel quite comfortable with leaving my vote on OE. And if that ushers in an era of coldblooded partisanship, then so be it.

[Anomandaris]

Also, I'm thinking that if anyone is likely to be recruited, it's Telas. Because of the reveal, it's been out there for everyone to know what his DR is. That information makes him pretty much a risk free target for the horde, provided they can get enough zombies together to pull it off.

[Thyrllan]

Anomandaris, on 07 May 2012 - 10:52 PM, said:

Also, I'm thinking that if anyone is likely to be recruited, it's Telas. Because of the reveal, it's been out there for everyone to know what his DR is. That information makes him pretty much a risk free target for the horde, provided they can get enough zombies together to pull it off.

That's something I hadn't really considered, I just assumed from the previous posts yesterday that Spite had protected him.

[Thyrllan]

Also, Ano said HORDE!!!!

[Spite]

Anomandaris, on 07 May 2012 - 10:52 PM, said:

Also, I'm thinking that if anyone is likely to be recruited, it's Telas. Because of the reveal, it's been out there for everyone to know what his DR is. That information makes him pretty much a risk free target for the horde, provided they can get enough zombies together to pull it off.

If they tried it last night they would have lost 2 zombies. I cant say for sure if they did the night before. but going on the "assumption" that he tried to off Serc and failed last night I don't think they have him. I think he would have lost his kill ability when he was recruited. I could very easily be wrong on this too.

[Sheltatha Lore]

Kalse, on 07 May 2012 - 09:26 PM, said:

Sheltatha Lore, on 07 May 2012 - 08:12 PM, said:

This looks to me that you are trying to defend either your leader or one of your remaining zombie alts or you are the remaining zombie alt. Either way interesting.


Also good job lynching Kaschan.

Please, I can't have been the only person thinking this. But no one else dared say it because they knew they'd be accused of exactly this. Frankly, I've been pretty lost most of this game and this probably counts as my first major contribution - I thought it was about time I stepped up to the plate. I'd rather not have Rashan hold the thread hostage to his whim because no one else spoke up.

Why don't you also comment on what you think about what I said about Rashan, or are you happy just to look at only one side? It seems to me that lines are being drawn.

I admit that Rashan could be right about Olar (indeed he certainly is right that Olar is either faction leader or zombie in my view). My point was that it was equally valid to say the same of Rashan, and we shouldn't blinker ourselves to that possibility, whatever today's outcome is.

I agree that it could be valid for either one. But i don't really see Rash as a zombie or a leader role. He is taking to many chances. I would expect the leaders to hang back a bit and to let some of their underlings build cases and drive lynches.

[Sheltatha Lore]

Anomandaris, on 07 May 2012 - 10:43 PM, said:

Olar Ethil, on 07 May 2012 - 11:53 AM, said:

How many zombies are left 4? Something like that? I think you have realised i'm not in your faction and that i'd be a good lynch whilst the zombies are weak. They won't be able to kill me or recruit me with so little a number but you think it'd be good for other members of your faction to vote off mine? I'd soon have the zombies vote along with my faction and get rid of you for this betrayal. I call it a betrayal because I know you are a human albeit in a different faction to mine. Without stooping so low i'd like to hear what others have to say first. If the zombies started off with 10 and 6? have died then I don't see them as big a threat today than all the other days, we could keep going I'd like to have a look at Tellan, Ruse and Serc maybe. Obviously Serc because he has pretended to be the priest most of the game and we know he isn't so who actually is he? A lot of the zombies have been middle to low posters and it would surprise me if at least one was a high poster. This reason for the other two as well. Ruse keeps prodding and asking questions and being over zealous in the hunt for zombies that he could actually be one pretending to "look" for more. Tellan pings my zombie dar for different reasons. Something feels "off" about him but i'd need a proper re read to point the finger properly.

Okay, this was unexpected. I accuse OE of being a zombie and he comes back with a post along the lines of "You're lying, I'm a faction leader". To be honest I had thought it was unlikely that a faction leader would stick their neck out like he did and that it was far more likely that he was a zombie. But very kind of him to educate me as to the error of my ways. The underlined bits are pretty unequivocal, IMO. There's no way anyone except a player with high DR and the ability to make finds would say either of them. Could he be pretending? Seems unlikely to me - too much risk and not enough reward.


We're in a position where the numbers have tipped to the point that the zombies are less of a threat, so I feel quite comfortable with leaving my vote on OE. And if that ushers in an era of coldblooded partisanship, then so be it.

Ahhh nothing like the smell of a culture hunt in the morning.

[Anomandaris]

Thyrllan, on 07 May 2012 - 10:30 PM, said:

I wasn't sure whether Telas' reply was serious or not. I'd like him to come out and tell us. Not sure about the DR thing - I just checked the OP and it doesn't say - but it's probably a safe assumption.

In a totally unrelated note, I'd like a show of hands about who'd like to see Serc finish this game alive, whatever he is. Anyone? Anyone?

Actually, I think it would be pretty awesome if Serc made it to the end. It would show that we have the finally developed the collective ability to rise above annoyances and focus on the game properly . But if a legitimate case came up against him, I'd be more than happy to reconsider that stance.

Now, you mention something you said you saw in Omtose's posting that made you think Serc had been recruited. Can you flesh out for me why you think that must have been on Night 1? I'm struggling to believe that Serc would have gone berserk like he did on Day 2 if he had been recruited, you see. If anything, I'd have expected a team change to have focussed his game a bit more.

[Spite]

Sheltatha Lore, on 07 May 2012 - 11:00 PM, said:

Kalse, on 07 May 2012 - 09:26 PM, said:

Sheltatha Lore, on 07 May 2012 - 08:12 PM, said:

This looks to me that you are trying to defend either your leader or one of your remaining zombie alts or you are the remaining zombie alt. Either way interesting.


Also good job lynching Kaschan.

Please, I can't have been the only person thinking this. But no one else dared say it because they knew they'd be accused of exactly this. Frankly, I've been pretty lost most of this game and this probably counts as my first major contribution - I thought it was about time I stepped up to the plate. I'd rather not have Rashan hold the thread hostage to his whim because no one else spoke up.

Why don't you also comment on what you think about what I said about Rashan, or are you happy just to look at only one side? It seems to me that lines are being drawn.

I admit that Rashan could be right about Olar (indeed he certainly is right that Olar is either faction leader or zombie in my view). My point was that it was equally valid to say the same of Rashan, and we shouldn't blinker ourselves to that possibility, whatever today's outcome is.

I agree that it could be valid for either one. But i don't really see Rash as a zombie or a leader role. He is taking to many chances. I would expect the leaders to hang back a bit and to let some of their underlings build cases and drive lynches.

I feel almost certain that Rash is the survivalist. And more I think about my role, I wont be hunting him. As is, once the last zombie is killed I wont be voting for lynchs anymore. If it comes down to the last lynch kills a zombie and ends the game(one human faction left) I have no problem sharing the "independants" victory with him. To hunt him down or any other human, kinda go's against my role description.

[Thyrllan]

Anomandaris, on 07 May 2012 - 11:08 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on 07 May 2012 - 10:30 PM, said:

I wasn't sure whether Telas' reply was serious or not. I'd like him to come out and tell us. Not sure about the DR thing - I just checked the OP and it doesn't say - but it's probably a safe assumption.

In a totally unrelated note, I'd like a show of hands about who'd like to see Serc finish this game alive, whatever he is. Anyone? Anyone?

Actually, I think it would be pretty awesome if Serc made it to the end. It would show that we have the finally developed the collective ability to rise above annoyances and focus on the game properly . But if a legitimate case came up against him, I'd be more than happy to reconsider that stance.

Now, you mention something you said you saw in Omtose's posting that made you think Serc had been recruited. Can you flesh out for me why you think that must have been on Night 1? I'm struggling to believe that Serc would have gone berserk like he did on Day 2 if he had been recruited, you see. If anything, I'd have expected a team change to have focussed his game a bit more.

As I said, the interaction between him and Omtose seemed off on a re-read. They were basically baiting each other for ages but no vote was forthcoming, despite Omtose making it look like that's what he would end up doing....then he goes and votes for Ampelas.

As for Serc's crazyness...well, maybe he was just pissed off at being recruited. Perhaps he was pissed off at being recruited and then looking like he was being set up for a fall by his recruiter. And maybe he's just Serc

[Thyrllan]

Spite, on 07 May 2012 - 11:11 PM, said:

I feel almost certain that Rash is the survivalist. And more I think about my role, I wont be hunting him. As is, once the last zombie is killed I wont be voting for lynchs anymore. If it comes down to the last lynch kills a zombie and ends the game(one human faction left) I have no problem sharing the "independants" victory with him. To hunt him down or any other human, kinda go's against my role description.

Hmm, can you say why you think that about Rash? I wish to be illuminated, kind priest.

[Anomandaris]

Spite, on 07 May 2012 - 11:00 PM, said:

Anomandaris, on 07 May 2012 - 10:52 PM, said:

Also, I'm thinking that if anyone is likely to be recruited, it's Telas. Because of the reveal, it's been out there for everyone to know what his DR is. That information makes him pretty much a risk free target for the horde, provided they can get enough zombies together to pull it off.

If they tried it last night they would have lost 2 zombies. I cant say for sure if they did the night before. but going on the "assumption" that he tried to off Serc and failed last night I don't think they have him. I think he would have lost his kill ability when he was recruited. I could very easily be wrong on this too.

Ah, OK. Yeah now that you point it out, there wouldn't have been three NK descriptions unless there were still three intact teams of killers, so we know that he wasn't recruited up until last night. And if you say you were blessing him last night, then that's good enough for me.

[Spite]

Thyrllan, on 07 May 2012 - 11:14 PM, said:

Spite, on 07 May 2012 - 11:11 PM, said:

I feel almost certain that Rash is the survivalist. And more I think about my role, I wont be hunting him. As is, once the last zombie is killed I wont be voting for lynchs anymore. If it comes down to the last lynch kills a zombie and ends the game(one human faction left) I have no problem sharing the "independants" victory with him. To hunt him down or any other human, kinda go's against my role description.

Hmm, can you say why you think that about Rash? I wish to be illuminated, kind priest.

I think he "manipulated" some one on the Korv train. remember he is the one who came on late and "re-hammered" to get the lynch. He hasn't defended any of the accusations I have thrown his way. He has just brushed them off and is hoping no one notices.

[Rashan]

uh, I said it was a mistake vote because it was the middle of the weekend, i was in a rush, and I mis-counted. I am not sure what other accusations I need to defend against. I am certainly not brushing anything off.