[Olar Ethil]

Anomandaris, on 07 May 2012 - 11:24 AM, said:

Nice, we're really hacking through these zombies!

From the lynch scene yesterday, we know that Kaschan was attacked by zombies not once but twice. Stands to reason that the Zombie player knew that Kaschan was the Voodoo Master. Olar Ethil revealed yesterday that he knew that Kaschan was the Voodoo Master:

Olar Ethil, on 04 May 2012 - 11:35 AM, said:

The zombies are doing a good job of being dead and are becoming less of a threat. I had to point you out to the others because I know you are about to meet your win conditions and hurt us all. I don't want to reveal because I think it'd hurt my faction but I know you are the Voodoo Master. If people want to let that slide then that is up to them.

So putting two and two together, it seems feasible to assume that Olar Ethil is quite probably a zombie.

Vote Olar Ethil

How many zombies are left 4? Something like that? I think you have realised i'm not in your faction and that i'd be a good lynch whilst the zombies are weak. They won't be able to kill me or recruit me with so little a number but you think it'd be good for other members of your faction to vote off mine? I'd soon have the zombies vote along with my faction and get rid of you for this betrayal. I call it a betrayal because I know you are a human albeit in a different faction to mine. Without stooping so low i'd like to hear what others have to say first. If the zombies started off with 10 and 6? have died then I don't see them as big a threat today than all the other days, we could keep going I'd like to have a look at Tellan, Ruse and Serc maybe. Obviously Serc because he has pretended to be the priest most of the game and we know he isn't so who actually is he? A lot of the zombies have been middle to low posters and it would surprise me if at least one was a high poster. This reason for the other two as well. Ruse keeps prodding and asking questions and being over zealous in the hunt for zombies that he could actually be one pretending to "look" for more. Tellan pings my zombie dar for different reasons. Something feels "off" about him but i'd need a proper re read to point the finger properly.

[Telas]

Hmm, i really think we should get rid of Serc, he's been nothing but a distraction for ages now.





Vote Serc.

[Thyrllan]

Ah Monday! Fresh new week, and more mafia playing, glorious! Props to everyone who bundled on the Kaschan lynch btw, but extra credit to the killers. This is certainly not your typical mafia game where the vigs can't shoot right for shit

I didn't bother looking through Mockra's posts, because I assume there's nothing there (I can't remember a single thing he said anyway), but had a scan through Omtose's. Days 1 and 2 his focus is very much on Serc, especially day 1 where he puts forward the idea that Serc and Ruse are the same person. This is either some serious distancing, or I'm rather inclined to strike Serc and Ruse off my zombie list. Well, Ruse anyway. Day 2's really weird, Omtose and Serc have lots of back and forth and baiting each other, but Omtose never votes for Serc despite making it seem like he will. He only finally puts his vote down on Ampelas when that lynch becomes inevitable. I dunno, that struck me as weird. Then Day 3 Omtose actually compliments Serc! That's some turnaround from the first day.

To be honest, I don't know what we can gather from that. Serc may have been recruited after the first day, or I'm just reading something from nothing. On an unrelated note, Serc's use of pictures was very very disappointing - I love being silenced man! Get creative!

[Thyrllan]

Telas, on 07 May 2012 - 02:11 PM, said:

Hmm, i really think we should get rid of Serc, he's been nothing but a distraction for ages now.





Vote Serc.

Hehe, if he was your failed target last night you're making it obvious

[Thyrllan]

Olar Ethil, on 07 May 2012 - 11:53 AM, said:

Anomandaris, on 07 May 2012 - 11:24 AM, said:

Nice, we're really hacking through these zombies!

From the lynch scene yesterday, we know that Kaschan was attacked by zombies not once but twice. Stands to reason that the Zombie player knew that Kaschan was the Voodoo Master. Olar Ethil revealed yesterday that he knew that Kaschan was the Voodoo Master:

Olar Ethil, on 04 May 2012 - 11:35 AM, said:

The zombies are doing a good job of being dead and are becoming less of a threat. I had to point you out to the others because I know you are about to meet your win conditions and hurt us all. I don't want to reveal because I think it'd hurt my faction but I know you are the Voodoo Master. If people want to let that slide then that is up to them.

So putting two and two together, it seems feasible to assume that Olar Ethil is quite probably a zombie.

Vote Olar Ethil

How many zombies are left 4? Something like that? I think you have realised i'm not in your faction and that i'd be a good lynch whilst the zombies are weak. They won't be able to kill me or recruit me with so little a number but you think it'd be good for other members of your faction to vote off mine? I'd soon have the zombies vote along with my faction and get rid of you for this betrayal. I call it a betrayal because I know you are a human albeit in a different faction to mine. Without stooping so low i'd like to hear what others have to say first. If the zombies started off with 10 and 6? have died then I don't see them as big a threat today than all the other days, we could keep going I'd like to have a look at Tellan, Ruse and Serc maybe. Obviously Serc because he has pretended to be the priest most of the game and we know he isn't so who actually is he? A lot of the zombies have been middle to low posters and it would surprise me if at least one was a high poster. This reason for the other two as well. Ruse keeps prodding and asking questions and being over zealous in the hunt for zombies that he could actually be one pretending to "look" for more. Tellan pings my zombie dar for different reasons. Something feels "off" about him but i'd need a proper re read to point the finger properly.

Ano, you make some great deductions buddy! This never even occurred to me! Sneaky sneaky play by the zombies if so - but I wonder why they would be so concerned with the Voodoo guy that they would go so far as to fake reveal on him? Seems like they would have done us a favour then if anything, or perhaps they were thinking that the summoned demon could do them harm as well as humans? That's possible, though I always thought in terms of balancing of the Voodoo guy as an anti-human indie along with the Lone Avenger, while the Priest and possibly the survivor were pro-human. Still, I'm not sure I like anyone who belittles the zombie threat....they must needs be eradicated!



Edit: Made sentence make sentence. I mean, sense.

This post has been edited by Thyrllan: 07 May 2012 - 02:44 PM

[Telas]

Serc, my failed target? Hah, ofcourse not!



I am insulted that you would even imply such a thing.

[Osseric]

Thyrllan, on 07 May 2012 - 02:33 PM, said:

Ah Monday! Fresh new week, and more mafia playing, glorious! Props to everyone who bundled on the Kaschan lynch btw, but extra credit to the killers. This is certainly not your typical mafia game where the vigs can't shoot right for shit

I didn't bother looking through Mockra's posts, because I assume there's nothing there (I can't remember a single thing he said anyway), but had a scan through Omtose's. Days 1 and 2 his focus is very much on Serc, especially day 1 where he puts forward the idea that Serc and Ruse are the same person. This is either some serious distancing, or I'm rather inclined to strike Serc and Ruse off my zombie list. Well, Ruse anyway. Day 2's really weird, Omtose and Serc have lots of back and forth and baiting each other, but Omtose never votes for Serc despite making it seem like he will. He only finally puts his vote down on Ampelas when that lynch becomes inevitable. I dunno, that struck me as weird. Then Day 3 Omtose actually compliments Serc! That's some turnaround from the first day.

To be honest, I don't know what we can gather from that. Serc may have been recruited after the first day, or I'm just reading something from nothing. On an unrelated note, Serc's use of pictures was very very disappointing - I love being silenced man! Get creative!

I had a similar thought looking back over the thread, one or two of omtose posts stood out, one in which he talks about how serc is baiting Kaschan so he can pin something on him and how this baiting has clearly worked because Kaschan reacted to it and then he has a very similar exchange himself with Ruse, trying to imply that serc and ruse are the same person and then implying ruse is now overreacting. Now despite saying he would gladly vote for any of these three players, he never actually does. The one player in this that stands out for me is Serc, not only because of how he acts towards him later, as you've pointed out but also because serc was looking like a possible candidate for a lynch train earlier on in the day and it came down between him and Sorrit really and yet Omtose never actually voted earlier despite voicing he would vote either Serc or Kaschan, and then later Serc and Ruse. No, he comes on when the train on Sorrit was much further ahead and voted him, which, again, he does with Ampelas. Which makes me wonder, considering he starts by making waves against Serc and talking like he is going to vote him, why he never does.

Omtose, on 27 April 2012 - 09:36 AM, said:

I'm a little confused as to what Serc is trying to get at with his stating that Kaschan slipped up. To me it just looks like baiting - and to be fair, it's baiting that's working judging from Kaschan's reaction. Right now I like one of those two as a lynch target. I'm not sure if Serc is being too obvious, or if that's the point. But as someone said already, if they were controlling multiple alts, it would make sense to have at least one hanging out there in the spotlight. Hmmm, who said that?

Omtose, on 27 April 2012 - 03:08 PM, said:

On my phone so this is just a vote post. Would have preferred Ruse or Serc, but it's not to be.

Vote Sorrit


BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!

[Osseric]

Also reading the night scene the use of 'single figure' when talking about an attempted attack and it being 'brushed off' made me think that could refer to the survivalist. Interesting to keep in mind though for the moment I think it is better to focus on the zombies.
The wording of OE's post is rather strange and I suppose, looking back at the night scene were the zombies leave the voodoo master alone after having come to some sort of arrangement with them, some of them cou;d have known who and what Kaschan were, which OE actually pointed out when analysing that particular night scene. OE also says at one point that Serc is most likely the priest and therefore Kaschan must be voodoo master (based on Emur, a dead zombie's post, which is pointed out by Kaschan at the time as an attempt to discredit the accusation) and then in the next post he seem to be certain that Serc is in fact the priest, which strikes me as strange considering that most of the thread had him down as a human or zombie and had dismissed the priest roleplay.

Olar Ethil, on 04 May 2012 - 11:28 AM, said:

Kaschan, on 04 May 2012 - 11:08 AM, said:

Kaschan, on 04 May 2012 - 11:06 AM, said:

Olar Ethil, on 04 May 2012 - 11:00 AM, said:

Kaschan, on 04 May 2012 - 10:58 AM, said:

I'm also semi confused why you would do this today, after Emur was killed. Did you mention this on one of your other alts and just couldn't wait until that alt died so you could 'bring up this evidence'?

How interesting.

And the part about you being the Voodoo master?

What about it? Do you think a zombie would list the actual priest as a priest if he wanted him lynched? I mean really. No human is going to lynch the Priest.

And, the more I think about it, the more you know that your zombie 'horde' is too small to have a shot at killing the priest. But if you label the priest as a 'voodoo' master, why then you might get the humans on board to lynch him, huh. I'm also quite intrigued you had no catching up to do because you had already read the thread perhaps? Perhaps in a different alt? No comments on ANY of the cases floating about before you bring this out of left field? If you convince the humans that I am the Voodoo priest, I will be unspeakably disappointed in my fellow mafia players.

So you are trying to say you are the priest? Serc is the priest, you are the Voodoo Master

If this was true, who was being proposed as a lynch that the zombies would reveal this and swing the lynch away? Kaschan had voted for Atrahal, TS for Mockra, Spite voted Atrahal for thinking he was the voodoo master. Kaschan changed his vote to OE as well, after OE accused him and he'd 'revealed'. It was early enough on and there wasn't that much pressure on any player, so this has me a little in two minds about it. Were the zombies starting to gear from two nights of successful kills or maybe OE is what he has certainly implied he is. I'm really not sure at the moment.

[Rashan]

vote Olar Ethil


He is clearly either a zombie or a faction leader.

If he is a zombie. Then we all win.

If he is a Faction leader we all win (except for the 5 people on his team). Also, if he is a faction leader, with the Zombies numbers decimated, (4 left if there hasn't been a recruit..which I don't believe there has) he will be almost impossible to NK unless his DR manipulator is killed first.

I think this is the most prudent option right now.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 5. 20 hours and 59 minutes remaining
19 Players still alive: Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, Eloth, Fener, Kalse, Karosis, Korbas, Olar Ethil, Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Shelthata Lore, Spite, Telas, Tellan, Thyrllan, Tulas Shorn

10 votes to lynch, 10 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Olar Ethil ( Anomandaris, Rashan )
1 Vote for Serc ( Telas )

Players not voted: Anthras, Atrahal, Eloth, Fener, Kalse, Karosis, Korbas, Olar Ethil, Osseric, Ruse, Serc, Shelthata Lore, Spite, Tellan, Thyrllan, Tulas Shorn

[Kalse]

Rashan, on 07 May 2012 - 05:37 PM, said:

vote Olar Ethil


He is clearly either a zombie or a faction leader.

If he is a zombie. Then we all win.

If he is a Faction leader we all win (except for the 5 people on his team). Also, if he is a faction leader, with the Zombies numbers decimated, (4 left if there hasn't been a recruit..which I don't believe there has) he will be almost impossible to NK unless his DR manipulator is killed first.

I think this is the most prudent option right now.

Interesting.

I can't possibly be the only one thinking this: that everything that Rashan's said could as easily apply to him.

If I'm not mistaken, you've just outed yourself as most likely either a faction leader or a zombie. Even without a find on Olar, you'd know he's not on your team, so he'd be safe for you to vote for. Ano's vote had a bit of reasoning behind it which I can see being possible, but you seem a lot more relaxed about throwing your vote down.

The way you were so sure about Mockra being a zombie also points to you either having done a find on him, which again suggests you're another faction leader, or that you threw him to the wolves (seeing that it was a useless alt) in order to PI yourself.


I'm not sure I understand the bit you say about being impossible to NK though? In the OP it doesn't say anything about killers' chances being affected by DR unless one of them is dead?

This post has been edited by Kalse: 07 May 2012 - 06:59 PM

[Rashan]

Maybe I misread, (underlined is mine) but it seems to me like DR affects human killers as well.

JLV, on 18 April 2012 - 04:40 PM, said:

Defense Rating (DR) is what allows a person to be killed, or not be killed.

Those with the ability to kill, recruit, or other abilities that are effected by DR will be notified in their role PM as to how it affects their ability.

Basically, the more DR the better.

Defense Rating is the primary mechanism that takes this game outside of the normal mafia affair. There will still be lynches, and there could be Killers, Guards, Finders, Healers, etc, pretty much any typical role.

I will answer any questions that don't give you more information than you should have.


Defense Rating Explained

Each night, I will calculate what each person's DR is, and send them a PM containing that value. Then I will resolve night actions.

Defense Rating is the rating that determined whether you are killed, recruited, or survive a zombie attack.

The number is directly corresponding to the number of zombies that attack you. If you have a DR of 4, it requires 5 zombies to kill you, and 6 to recruit you. If 4 zombies attack, nothing happens. If 3 or less, a zombie is killed.

Defense rating also effects the power of the human killers. If one of a pair of killers is inactive (dead, guarded, etc) then the kill only succeeds against those of less than or equal to 3 DR.

Regarding Mockra. I was very confident. I actually made a case, with quotes, back when I was attacking Korvalain. So while it's possible I had a find, It's also possible I was just very confident in my case. Which I was. Your idea that I am a zombie doesn't hold water though. Maybe the zombies could afford to throw away dummy alts in the begining of the game, but they are down to 4 members and are very easy to kill. Their strength lies in numbers. They aren't going to be throwing dummy alts away like that.

Good post though, makes me think you might be one of OE's 5

[Kalse]

Rashan, on 07 May 2012 - 07:07 PM, said:

Maybe I misread, (underlined is mine) but it seems to me like DR affects human killers as well.

JLV, on 18 April 2012 - 04:40 PM, said:

Defense Rating (DR) is what allows a person to be killed, or not be killed.

Those with the ability to kill, recruit, or other abilities that are effected by DR will be notified in their role PM as to how it affects their ability.

Basically, the more DR the better.

Defense Rating is the primary mechanism that takes this game outside of the normal mafia affair. There will still be lynches, and there could be Killers, Guards, Finders, Healers, etc, pretty much any typical role.

I will answer any questions that don't give you more information than you should have.


Defense Rating Explained

Each night, I will calculate what each person's DR is, and send them a PM containing that value. Then I will resolve night actions.

Defense Rating is the rating that determined whether you are killed, recruited, or survive a zombie attack.

The number is directly corresponding to the number of zombies that attack you. If you have a DR of 4, it requires 5 zombies to kill you, and 6 to recruit you. If 4 zombies attack, nothing happens. If 3 or less, a zombie is killed.

Defense rating also effects the power of the human killers. If one of a pair of killers is inactive (dead, guarded, etc) then the kill only succeeds against those of less than or equal to 3 DR.

Regarding Mockra. I was very confident. I actually made a case, with quotes, back when I was attacking Korvalain. So while it's possible I had a find, It's also possible I was just very confident in my case. Which I was. Your idea that I am a zombie doesn't hold water though. Maybe the zombies could afford to throw away dummy alts in the begining of the game, but they are down to 4 members and are very easy to kill. Their strength lies in numbers. They aren't going to be throwing dummy alts away like that.

Good post though, makes me think you might be one of OE's 5

Rash, try reading both of those sentences together RE dr affecting human killers - to me it clearly means it affects them only when one has been killed, guarded, or affected in some other way.


I did contemplate not posting my previous, because there's a chance you could be my faction leader (in which case, SH is rolling around laughing), but I figured there was a 2/3 chance you weren't. I don't know about Olar, BUT I don't know about you either, and so I wanted to put that out there. What you've said about Mockra doesn't mean anything either. One could argue if you were a zombie, you were gradually building up that play. Indeed, if you did start it earlier as you say (when the zombies were stronger) that actually makes the case that you might be a zombie stronger, not weaker.

As I said, at the moment I don't know, but I'm seeing a lot of people viewing the thread but very little talking being done, so I thought I'd be the brave one and put some thoughts down.

[Kalse]

I'm off for a couple of hours, but I should be back on later tonight hopefully.

[Kalse]

One more thought before I go - the zombies could afford to throw away dummy alts also if they have managed to recruit, which we can't be certain of. Actually, it's Rashan who claimed that it's probably not likely that they've done any recruiting. That suddenly makes me think that it's possible he's attempting to make the zombies look weaker than they are.

[Sheltatha Lore]

Kalse, on 07 May 2012 - 06:57 PM, said:

Rashan, on 07 May 2012 - 05:37 PM, said:

vote Olar Ethil


He is clearly either a zombie or a faction leader.

If he is a zombie. Then we all win.

If he is a Faction leader we all win (except for the 5 people on his team). Also, if he is a faction leader, with the Zombies numbers decimated, (4 left if there hasn't been a recruit..which I don't believe there has) he will be almost impossible to NK unless his DR manipulator is killed first.

I think this is the most prudent option right now.

Interesting.

I can't possibly be the only one thinking this: that everything that Rashan's said could as easily apply to him.

If I'm not mistaken, you've just outed yourself as most likely either a faction leader or a zombie. Even without a find on Olar, you'd know he's not on your team, so he'd be safe for you to vote for. Ano's vote had a bit of reasoning behind it which I can see being possible, but you seem a lot more relaxed about throwing your vote down.

The way you were so sure about Mockra being a zombie also points to you either having done a find on him, which again suggests you're another faction leader, or that you threw him to the wolves (seeing that it was a useless alt) in order to PI yourself.


I'm not sure I understand the bit you say about being impossible to NK though? In the OP it doesn't say anything about killers' chances being affected by DR unless one of them is dead?

Kalse, on 07 May 2012 - 07:22 PM, said:

One more thought before I go - the zombies could afford to throw away dummy alts also if they have managed to recruit, which we can't be certain of. Actually, it's Rashan who claimed that it's probably not likely that they've done any recruiting. That suddenly makes me think that it's possible he's attempting to make the zombies look weaker than they are.

This looks to me that you are trying to defend either your leader or one of your remaining zombie alts or you are the remaining zombie alt. Either way interesting.


Also good job lynching Kaschan.

[Kalse]

Sheltatha Lore, on 07 May 2012 - 08:12 PM, said:

This looks to me that you are trying to defend either your leader or one of your remaining zombie alts or you are the remaining zombie alt. Either way interesting.


Also good job lynching Kaschan.

Please, I can't have been the only person thinking this. But no one else dared say it because they knew they'd be accused of exactly this. Frankly, I've been pretty lost most of this game and this probably counts as my first major contribution - I thought it was about time I stepped up to the plate. I'd rather not have Rashan hold the thread hostage to his whim because no one else spoke up.

Why don't you also comment on what you think about what I said about Rashan, or are you happy just to look at only one side? It seems to me that lines are being drawn.

I admit that Rashan could be right about Olar (indeed he certainly is right that Olar is either faction leader or zombie in my view). My point was that it was equally valid to say the same of Rashan, and we shouldn't blinker ourselves to that possibility, whatever today's outcome is.

[Atrahal]

Kalse has a point. While Olar is much more suspect in my opinion (for evidence previously stated), one can do WIFOM for Rashan on the same point. Also, I see nobody has brought up Rashan's faulty case yet, a major talking point. Are you people being nice or something? On Mafia?

[Rashan]

Atrahal, on 07 May 2012 - 09:34 PM, said:

Kalse has a point. While Olar is much more suspect in my opinion (for evidence previously stated), one can do WIFOM for Rashan on the same point. Also, I see nobody has brought up Rashan's faulty case yet, a major talking point. Are you people being nice or something? On Mafia?

Whats there to bring up? I made a mistake and got a human lynched. It's not like I didn't have evidence supporting the case and people seemed to agree. I made a similar case on Mockra and he did turn out to be a zombie. so I am batting .500. Not bad in baseball, but academically... maybe not so good. I say if you hit 50/50 on your Mafia cases you are doing pretty damn good.

[Atrahal]

Rashan, on 07 May 2012 - 09:44 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 07 May 2012 - 09:34 PM, said:

Kalse has a point. While Olar is much more suspect in my opinion (for evidence previously stated), one can do WIFOM for Rashan on the same point. Also, I see nobody has brought up Rashan's faulty case yet, a major talking point. Are you people being nice or something? On Mafia?

Whats there to bring up? I made a mistake and got a human lynched. It's not like I didn't have evidence supporting the case and people seemed to agree. I made a similar case on Mockra and he did turn out to be a zombie. so I am batting .500. Not bad in baseball, but academically... maybe not so good. I say if you hit 50/50 on your Mafia cases you are doing pretty damn good.

50/50 is 100%...but I get what you're getting at, fifty-fifty. Also, I was just suprised that nobody had brought it up.