[Telas]

I want to say something...


-I- am the priest!

No, i kid, i kid. But really, the fuck is going on.

[Osseric]

Oh man, a lot of revealing and part-revealing going on here. I think I may need some lunch before trying to ferret out who is most likely to be what.

[Anomandaris]

A word of warning with reveals - the addition of multiple alts adds another dimension to these. I don't know how much I can trust Spite's reveal, because I could imagine a scenario where OE and Spite are alts controlled by the same person trying to make themselves more convincing.

On the surface Kaschan's reveal definitely sounds a lot more convincing. I'm a little wary because it does feel like with some creativity he could have taken the Voodoo Master role and given his abilities a priestly spin, but he gets points for revealing first and revealing fully. Spite is going to have to provide some compelling evidence to sound more convincing.

Given PS' recent clarification though, maybe it makes sense to ignore the independents entirely? Frankly, if the Voodoo Master doesn't impair the other factions from winning, then they move down my threat counter quite a few notches.

[Telas]

I think we should give Spite a chance to properly explain himself, as he said, he is busy right now. How many hours are there left 'till night?

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 4. 22 hours and 28 minutes remaining

[Osseric]

Right, a lot of revealing going on there and a counter-reveal, always fun.

OE's reveal was very sketchy, Now, I understand why he'd want it to be if he is hinting at the truth, he'd want to protect his faction and not hurt their chances of victory. Thing is, it could easily be a zombie hiding behind this very defence, which is why partial reveals are extremely dicey since people can't really do much to either prove what the person says or counter-reveal.

Kaschan is more interesting though, he does the opposite and fully reveals, giving us a long list of abilities that he can perform and backing them up with night outcomes and on thread actions. These should be easier to test in some ways but there is the shadow hanging over it all that he could be manipulating things somewhat and is actually the voodoo preiest. In saying that PS has clarified if he reaches his conditions we're not all going to be slaughtered (which, I'd kind of assumed was the case before) so it may not be as dire as i'd been forecasting in that eventuality.

Spite has now counter-revealed as the priest but in a very glancing way. It is understandable if he is at work and was shocked to see this but it seem to contrast quite a bit with Kaschans lengthy and detailed reveal. I can only assume he'll give us more when he is able to.

Interesting though, Kaschan knew that Korv was not a zombie, he mentions being enlightened on a few people as well, did he perhaps know that Telas was paired with her and maybe his silencing was him gathering something for his ritual? It was a thought that occurred, I get the impression from what he said he know quite a bit about a specific faction from his enlightenment thing. Still, it is possible that he is the holy man himself, going solely on reveal. he'd be the one I would most trust, at least so far. I am just wary of there being a certain amount of twisting of the truth to make it all seem legit.

[Telas]

Maybe he gathered...MY TONGUE!
Or is that too far fetched?

[Telas]

Although, now i'm wondering, why did he vote for Korv even though he knew she was a human? Sure, she could be an independant, but if he knew she was paired with me it wouldn't make a lot of sense.

[Osseric]

I was thinking tongue or voice (though, maybe that would be a bit too Little Mermaid). Poor unfortunate soul. In saying that, Serc has now also been silenced, so maybe that doesn't quite add up, unless it was for hinting at his role.

[Telas]

We should start looking for the cause of the silences, there appears to be someone with a lot of tricks up his sleeve.

[Osseric]

Telas, on 04 May 2012 - 02:16 PM, said:

Although, now i'm wondering, why did he vote for Korv even though he knew she was a human? Sure, she could be an independant, but if he knew she was paired with me it wouldn't make a lot of sense.

It was the hammer vote, so unlikely that he would have derailed the lynch at that point if he attempted it, Korv didn't manage it herself, despite the full reveal. Plus as an independent, i'm not sure he's go that far out of his way to save a human, since we're not really part of those two roles victory conditions, well, not the voodoo role, the priest needs to kill zombies so would be wanting as much to lynch humans.

[Rashan]

wow, lotsa pages to catch up on. At least night is over -.- catching up, brb.

[Rashan]

Wow, lots of news. *WARNING SUMMARY INCOMING* I AM JUST PUTTING THIS ON THREAD SO IT IS CLEAR*WARNING SUMMARY INCOMING*THIS HELPS ORGANIZE MY THOUGHTS* this concludes our warning.


OE- Accuses Kaschan of being a Voodoo master and in the process outs himself as a Human faction Leader. (If he is telling the truth)

Kaschan- Counters that he is the Priest and that OE must be a zombie because he is lying.

Spite- comes on counter claims that he is the Priest basically calling Kaschan a liar and substantiating OE's claim.


So, either OE and Spite are Zombies and Kaschan is actually the priest. OR OE is a faction Leader, Kaschan is the voodoo priest and Spite is the Priest. So what are our options. We could :


Lynch OE- If he is a Zombie this works out great for everyone on thread. If he is a Leader this works out great for everyone on thread except OE and the 4 other ppl on his team. We also find out if Kaschan is the voodoo guy and if Spite is really the priest.

or we can

Lynch Kaschan- If he is the voodoo priest, no harm done. If he is the Priest, harm done to everyone AND it helps the Zombies. Either way we find out if OE and Spite are zombies so thats good.

Lynch Spite- We find out if he and OE are Zombies, BUT we also risk Killing off the priest if he is telling the truth. I don't see much merit in a spite lynch. We can find out if he is telling the truth with a lynch of one of the other 2 with much less risk to the humans.


So to me, it comes down to a Kaschan or an OE lynch.

EDIT: Removed duplication

This post has been edited by Rashan: 04 May 2012 - 04:59 PM

[Rashan]

Osseric, on 04 May 2012 - 01:59 PM, said:

Spite has now counter-revealed as the priest but in a very glancing way. It is understandable if he is at work and was shocked to see this but it seem to contrast quite a bit with Kaschans lengthy and detailed reveal. I can only assume he'll give us more when he is able to.

How do you consider it "glancing"? He said "I am the Priest" you don't get much more direct than that. The fact that he came on through his phone to counter actually adds credibility to it imo. He saw a lie on thread and revealed so that we didn't get all caught up in it. Now, if he stays away till lynch time with no follow up... then, yes, I find it VERY suspicious. If we don't hear from Spite in the next few hours with at least a general run down of his role I will be very suspicious.

[Spite]

I will be home soon.

[Rashan]

Telas, on 04 May 2012 - 02:16 PM, said:

Although, now i'm wondering, why did he vote for Korv even though he knew she was a human? Sure, she could be an independant, but if he knew she was paired with me it wouldn't make a lot of sense.

Also, Kaschan is the voodoo dude or the priest. Due to their independence neither really care what happens to a human that is not them.

[Korbas]

Wow, holy reveals Batman!



My thoughts on this matter align with Rashan's for the most part. We have 2 people claiming to be the priest, obviously both can't be right, and we have OE claiming faction lead with Kaschan being the Voodoo master. So with Spite also claiming Priest, if true, would lend more merit to Kaschan being the voodoo master. . Kaschan did go very in depth with the mechanics of the role, they sound believable, but I need to hear back from Spite first, as that will probably be the key to today's vote.



Of course Raschan's recap also leaves out Serc's numerous claims against Kaschan as well, which can't be true at this point since in either scenario Kaschan has a DR of at least 3 from being an independent So anyway Serc, why the lies? You are the only person claiming to know DRs, all other DR related acts only seem to increase DR. Not remove it or find it. I'd just like to hear more from you, which is going to be difficult with you silenced. Fortunately, today's lynch is already pretty much between OE, Kaschan, and Spite, so you'll be able to talk soon enough. In the meantime, one other question, did you know that Kaschan was the voodoo master and tried to get us to lynch him under the pretense of him being a zombie?

[Anomandaris]

Hmm, just realised something. Look at this post from Korv before she was lynched:

Korvalain, on 03 May 2012 - 04:46 AM, said:

Oh and the first night we tried to kill Serc, but that failed. This is the reason why I have been convinced he's human, but probably in a powerful role. Last night we killed Liosan.

Good luck the rest of the game.

If this is true (which Telas should be able to confirm/deny), then that event was either:

(a).

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On one floor, a deadly pair stood over a sleeping figure, struck by its innocence, then left without committing the violence they intended.

or ( .

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The third pair of violent humans poisoned a sleeping figure, but the healer of the group managed to remove the poison before it could have any affect.

So either Serc was the recipient of a heal on Night 1, or was the innocent sleeper.


Kaschan also claims that he was attacked on Night 1, and lost a BP (he calls it DR...):

Kaschan, on 04 May 2012 - 12:43 PM, said:

Meanwhile night 1 some humans attacked me and then left because I looked so holy, which used up my human DR. Hooray! The killers who targeted me night one know I am telling the truth.

But the we see this in the Night 2 scene:

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A pair posed, together, above a sleeping form. Again, it was left, healthy and alive.

To me, the 'again' part implies quite heavily that this was the same target as on Night 1. Now according to Kaschan, on Night 2 he was targeted by Zombies, not humans:

Kaschan, on 04 May 2012 - 12:43 PM, said:

Zombies did attack me night 2. I did use my Zombie BP (A crucifix like what I was fiddling with in my hand) which gives me a
+3 DR against zombies.

Now, I'm a little skeptical of this claim - this is the part of the scene to which he refers:

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Elsewhere, a group of zombies staggered into a sole human. Surely they would catch their pray tonight, with no ghostly apparitions to distract them. But, the prey fumbled with a small figure in his hands, causing one of their Zombie brethren to stumble from the shadows, dragging another through the glass window, down to their deaths. The distraction gave enough time for the human to escape, unharmed.

The implication here is that the human caused the new zombie to arrive and kill both itself and the human's attacker. However, that doesn't match up with the +3 DR vs. zombies claim. If Kaschan's DR was higher than the advancing horde, then according to the OP 1 zombie should have died. But here we see 2 zombie deaths! How do we explain the other zombie?

A useful bit of information would be who Korvalain and Telas targetted on Night 2. Was it Serc, Kaschan or someone else? Knowing that will help pull together the pieces from the night scenes that will corroborate or disprove the reveals. If they targetted Serc again on Night 2, then Kaschan is definitely lying. If not, then Kaschan might be telling the truth.

[Korbas]

Hey Ano, reread that first quote and then read your question in the last paragraph, yeah?



I do agree about your analysis regarding the word again. Seems like someone was targetted 2 nights in a row, but maybe by different killers since it was Korv and Telas

[Spite]

Still on the phone. The person who was targeted two nights was either ano or myself. I will explain in half hour. Who ever those killers are should now know I'm not lying