[Olar Ethil]

Lone Avenger is dead. I'm not saying more, only that we should get rid of Kaschan today.

[Tulas Shorn]

Ruse, on 04 May 2012 - 10:48 AM, said:

Oh, fuck internet explorer, that thing needs to die. We've been loudly petitioning for different browsers, and it finally looks like we've got someone who knows what they're doing to sort it out. Apparently computers are complicated or something?

Damn people wanting you to work

Internet Explorer makes me stabby. And darn these people with legitimate concers who keep pestering me!

[Ruse]

I reckon! And there's way more interesting things going on, like people revealing things without actually revealing them. Which is... Odd.

[Tulas Shorn]

Mm. Interesting developments. I guess more than one person can play at the vague hinting without revealing enough to commit.

The fact that OE won't give his faction also makes it more difficult to prove that he is who he says he is.

[Tulas Shorn]

Ruse, on 04 May 2012 - 12:05 PM, said:

I reckon! And there's way more interesting things going on, like people revealing things without actually revealing them. Which is... Odd.

My thoughts exactly.

[Karosis]

Im checking in, I am going to hold off voting until I can get some more information. I'll be back on in plenty of time to get my vote in. Im not one hundred percent on the OE "reveal", I would like to see Kaschan come on and fight back a little for the info. Back in a while.

[Ruse]

Karosis, on 04 May 2012 - 12:19 PM, said:

Im checking in, I am going to hold off voting until I can get some more information. I'll be back on in plenty of time to get my vote in. Im not one hundred percent on the OE "reveal", I would like to see Kaschan come on and fight back a little for the info. Back in a while.

I thought Kaschan was too fighty?

[Olar Ethil]

I don't see what i've got to gain from lying. I was under no pressure. If Kaschan comes back anything different than Voodoo Master then i'd be lynched for certain which I don't want. So rather than trying to pry for more information without giving any back then why not lynch Kaschan and stop him from unleashing the demon? After we get rid of the zombies we'd be left with 3 factions fighting it out and if you get more information from me i'll be hurting my faction. If we lynch Kaschan then tomorrow we can get rid of a zombie as well.

[Kaschan]

Olar Ethil, on 04 May 2012 - 11:35 AM, said:

The zombies are doing a good job of being dead and are becoming less of a threat. I had to point you out to the others because I know you are about to meet your win conditions and hurt us all. I don't want to reveal because I think it'd hurt my faction but I know you are the Voodoo Master. If people want to let that slide then that is up to them.

Ahahah. This is great. Perfect coming from a zombie.

Zombies did attack me night 2. I did use my Zombie BP (A crucifix like what I was fiddling with in my hand) which gives me a
+3 DR against zombies.

Meanwhile night 1 some humans attacked me and then left because I looked so holy, which used up my human DR. Hooray! The killers who targeted me night one know I am telling the truth.

So do the zombies. Why would a zombie point out the healer to people? No he would call the healer the voodoo master in hopes of getting him dead. I'm not sad you had to sacrifice a zombie to do it, because if we lynch you today, there are only 5 zombies left. I have a DR of 3 +1 against Zombies. And I can setup alarm wards every single night that give me +1DR against attacks, if I do this I target another alt and if they are a human, their faction gets +1 DR against zombies as well. Or I can pray for enlightenment and if I do it two nights in a row I get a number of alts with factions listed from before other actions(like recruitment, I was very specific with PS about this). I received 5 of them on night 2. 2 were the zombies that died at night, 3 other were humans of which 2 are still alive. I'm not going to divulge that information because then the WIFOM comes down to who is a zombie now and who isn't. Why do you think I was so goddamn unwilliing to vote Korvalain? I KNEW she wasn't a zombie since zombies did not recruit that night and I had her faction from before. Mother Fucking Bullshit Bullshit is what Olar Ethil is throwing around here, folks.

Lets not forget that my target EVERY SINGLE DAY has been hunting zombies. When did I get in a fight with Serc? When he was saying zombies aren't a threat. What have I been doing everytime I post? Trying to find zombies. Why have I stopped going after Serc? Because he does not seem like a zombie. All you humans who claim to be trying to hunt zombies but are trying to set factions in your mind, whatever. I'm actually hunting zombies. If 10 zombies die, guess what. I mother fucking win. And that win has no impact on any human factions on the independents in any way. Just you dirty fucking zombies.

And now you, Olar Ethil, come on and say 'zombies sure are weak, huh'. 'This guy must be the voodoo master, and dont hunt zombies anymore'. Your ploy is pathetic. Utterly pathetic. You quote a zombie you could very well have controlled and use that as your 'proof', then when I poke holes in that theory you could fly a 747 through you 'reveal but don't reveal' that you are a leader. I have not seen you lead all game. You have, as far as I can tell, never been near the front of trains. You aren't acting in any way like a leader. And I'm pretty sure I already know two of the leaders on thread, and guess what, they are playing like leaders with following votes. But you are low-posting all motherfucking game long. No, you are a fucking zombie.

And so I say this to Human Factions. Unless Olar Ethil is your leader, there is literally no reason to vote for me. By Lynching Olar Ethil, you either get another zombie gone, OR a different faction leader gone. What do you get by lynching me? A Dead Voodoo priest, who has the VC to summon agklhlghdsjklgh but who knows what that does, OR the Priest is gone and you lose someone who is trying to offer you protection against zombies. Remember that PS said that Independent VC's do not impair normal faction winning conditions.

There is my fucking reveal. And if Olar Ethil dies and the zombies are utterly unable to recruit for the rest of the game, they cannot hurt me and I will protect one of the two people whos faction I know for the rest of the game, making everyone in their group immune to zombies until all the zombies are dead and my mission on earth is done and I am allowed into heaven.

[Kaschan]

And lets not forget that Telas was shocked by black magic last night when he went after Atrahal, instead of the Killers who went after me night one. Just another INDISPUTIBLE POINT IN MY FAVOR. I'm out and I need a drink, I will be back later.

[Kaschan]

OH AND BEFORE I FORGET

MOTHERFUCKING
remove vote
VOTE OLAR ETHIL(the zombie)

[Path-Shaper]

A mod note somewhat related to reveals:

Do NOT copy/paste any information from PMs to the thread. This is Modkillable. Bliss could have been, but she was lynched anyway so it doesn't matter. We talked about it and this is the decision we came to.

Also, weekend freeze will happen before timeout, unless you want me to push it/resolve night.

It is Day 4. 23 hours and 6 minutes remaining
22 Players still alive: Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, Eloth, Fener, Kalse, Karosis, Kaschan, Korbas, Mockra, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Shelthata Lore, Spite, Telas, Tellan, Thyrllan, Tulas Shorn

12 votes to lynch, 11 votes to go to night.

1 Vote for Atrahal ( Spite )
1 Vote for Mockra ( Tulas Shorn )
1 Vote for Olar Ethil ( Kaschan )
1 Vote for Tellan ( Serc )
1 Vote for Kaschan ( Tellan )

Players not voted: Anomandaris, Anthras, Atrahal, Eloth, Fener, Kalse, Karosis, Korbas, Mockra, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Osseric, Rashan, Ruse, Shelthata Lore, Telas, Thyrllan

[Tulas Shorn]

Woo, reveal and counter reveal.

Kaschan has revealed pretty fully, he looks like he knows what he is talking about. Compare this with Olar's reveal, which was shady at best and cannot be proven or disproven without information which he refuses to provide.

The only thing that strikes me the wrong way with Kaschan's post is the way he downplays the role of the Voodoo master, and the effect that the voodoo master's winning conditions will have on the remaining factions.

[Ruse]

PS can we get clarification on the independants? Is the game over if the voodoo master meets his VCs? Because I vaguely remember you saying that the game continues even if the independants get their VC's. (But I'm too sleepy to look)

[Telas]

Well, fuck, isn't this getting interesting. Kaschan, if you were the priest fiddling with the crucifix, where did the zombie come from? I'm still curious about that, however irrelevant it might be.

[Spite]

Playing from phone...kaschan is not the priest. I am. Nice try. You knew I was work..cock. i still think you are just a zombie.

[Ruse]

Reveals abound!

[Anomandaris]

OK, I'm here for 30 minutes or so before I need to get back to work. I've read over the thread, including the information proferred by Olar Ethil and Serc.

My initial reaction is that Kaschan has reacted to these accusations poorly. When Olar Ethil brings up a quote from Emurlahn, Kaschan tries to discredit Olar Ethil for quoting Emurlahn:

Kaschan, on 04 May 2012 - 10:55 AM, said:

lmao. So you are quoting a Zombie and agreeing with them?

Surely the natural response here would be to question why Emurlahn would signal in a post like this?

Then there's this, which is a valid point (eg. OE's motivations might not be pure), but does not do anything to dispel the evidence against him:

Kaschan, on 04 May 2012 - 10:58 AM, said:

I'm also semi confused why you would do this today, after Emur was killed. Did you mention this on one of your other alts and just couldn't wait until that alt died so you could 'bring up this evidence'?

How interesting.

So it's very clear that instead of trying to address the accusations levelled against him, he would prefer to attack the people raising the allegations. This seems like quite an artificial tactic to me - I would imagine there needs to be a conscious decision to play it that way. And I would argue that that is more likely to come from someone who's win conditions depend on them surviving - if you're on a team that can win without you, you're more likely to respond to pressure naturally.

There is no town in this game, so of course we must assume that OE is hoping to further the ends of their own faction. But I don't think that excuses Kaschan from having to defend himself.

EDIT: X-post with a ton of reveals!

This post has been edited by Anomandaris: 04 May 2012 - 01:28 PM

[Path-Shaper]

Ruse, on 04 May 2012 - 01:20 PM, said:

PS can we get clarification on the independants? Is the game over if the voodoo master meets his VCs? Because I vaguely remember you saying that the game continues even if the independants get their VC's. (But I'm too sleepy to look)

The game is not over if the Voodoo Master meets his VC.

[Ruse]

Path-Shaper, on 04 May 2012 - 01:29 PM, said:

Ruse, on 04 May 2012 - 01:20 PM, said:

PS can we get clarification on the independants? Is the game over if the voodoo master meets his VCs? Because I vaguely remember you saying that the game continues even if the independants get their VC's. (But I'm too sleepy to look)

The game is not over if the Voodoo Master meets his VC.

Interesting...

*Strokes beard*

Well people, where does this put us? Because I've been operating under the assuption that the voodoo master's demon will kill us all off. But if it doesn't then I must look askance at people who are distracting us from zombies.