[Atrahal]

Tiamatha, on 11 April 2012 - 08:26 PM, said:

What I was saying is if there are 2 characters from the House of agreement in this game and the same 2 characters in another game they will both still be on the same tea. The House of agreement. If there is one player in this game from the cult of vultures and one from the Nepath they are on the same team in this game but if they both are in another game then no they don't necessarily will be on the same team again.

Hope that claifies and not make things even more confusing

Ok, first, let's clarify - when you say "characters", do you mean named characters within the context of the story, or actual human players?

[Atrahal]

Anthras, on 11 April 2012 - 06:41 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 11 April 2012 - 06:19 PM, said:

This is interesting. If he's right, it seems like the point of this post is to get other players to start putting items for sale of a certain type that haven't been sold yet, meaning he needs those items to produce something. So, what types of items haven't been listed or sold yet? Could give us insight into what role Anthras might be. Also it ties in with what Korlat was saying about Anthras perhaps having a lot of cash and subtly trying to encourage people to put up valuable goods (i.e., not yet seen on the Bazaar) for a high price so he can purchase them. He cautions against this a little bit before the underlined part, but if anything it just seems like smart play and distancing.

Of course I do. That's why I believe everyone does. What's the point of making a bazaar if people don't need to use it? Obviously we don't have the means to make all the stuff we can make.

Believe the second part if you want, no harm to me. Don't really get what you're saying at the end there.

Well, you brought it up first, which is why I thought it was worth mentioning. It looks like you're fishing for items that aren't up there yet, and that's revealing, to a degree.

My second point was that you warned people against doing this because it could advantage other "teams", but the whole point of your post was that people SHOULD put up new and so far "rare" items. A little bit of contradiction goes a long way.

[Barghast]

Tiamatha, on 11 April 2012 - 08:28 PM, said:

Is anyone else finding the items in the bazaar being grossly overpriced? There are a few things out there that I'm thinking of buying but I just can't see myself spending the dinari that is being offered.

I do. I mean, really? Is mud and wood that valuable that it is 2000 dinari a pop?

[Tiamatha]

Atrahal, on 11 April 2012 - 08:35 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 11 April 2012 - 08:26 PM, said:

What I was saying is if there are 2 characters from the House of agreement in this game and the same 2 characters in another game they will both still be on the same tea. The House of agreement. If there is one player in this game from the cult of vultures and one from the Nepath they are on the same team in this game but if they both are in another game then no they don't necessarily will be on the same team again.

Hope that claifies and not make things even more confusing

Ok, first, let's clarify - when you say "characters", do you mean named characters within the context of the story, or actual human players?

The characters within the game. More than one real person could theroretically play the same game character.

[Atrahal]

Tiamatha, on 11 April 2012 - 08:28 PM, said:

Is anyone else finding the items in the bazaar being grossly overpriced? There are a few things out there that I'm thinking of buying but I just can't see myself spending the dinari that is being offered.

Yeah, it's a little odd, but as you can see throughout the day, there has been some market reaction to low priced goods selling quickly (e.g., 1 Water for 500 denari) to that same item going up to 2500 denarii right now on the market. So I think people must have realized that people were willing to buy items and may have overpriced them in a reaction to previous sales.

[Atrahal]

Tiamatha, on 11 April 2012 - 08:58 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 11 April 2012 - 08:35 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 11 April 2012 - 08:26 PM, said:

What I was saying is if there are 2 characters from the House of agreement in this game and the same 2 characters in another game they will both still be on the same tea. The House of agreement. If there is one player in this game from the cult of vultures and one from the Nepath they are on the same team in this game but if they both are in another game then no they don't necessarily will be on the same team again.

Hope that claifies and not make things even more confusing

Ok, first, let's clarify - when you say "characters", do you mean named characters within the context of the story, or actual human players?

The characters within the game. More than one real person could theroretically play the same game character.

Ok, makes a lot more sense now. I thought you were really confused there for a minute.

[Tiamatha]

Barghast, on 11 April 2012 - 08:48 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 11 April 2012 - 08:28 PM, said:

Is anyone else finding the items in the bazaar being grossly overpriced? There are a few things out there that I'm thinking of buying but I just can't see myself spending the dinari that is being offered.

I do. I mean, really? Is mud and wood that valuable that it is 2000 dinari a pop?

Yeah when you can get 500 each when you have a rent master building for mud and a cooper building for wood. 2000 seems excessive. That is asking 4 times it's value.

[Okaros]

Atrahal, on 11 April 2012 - 08:58 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 11 April 2012 - 08:28 PM, said:

Is anyone else finding the items in the bazaar being grossly overpriced? There are a few things out there that I'm thinking of buying but I just can't see myself spending the dinari that is being offered.

Yeah, it's a little odd, but as you can see throughout the day, there has been some market reaction to low priced goods selling quickly (e.g., 1 Water for 500 denari) to that same item going up to 2500 denarii right now on the market. So I think people must have realized that people were willing to buy items and may have overpriced them in a reaction to previous sales.

Good old market economy at work.

[Tiamatha]

Okaros, on 11 April 2012 - 09:03 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 11 April 2012 - 08:58 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 11 April 2012 - 08:28 PM, said:

Is anyone else finding the items in the bazaar being grossly overpriced? There are a few things out there that I'm thinking of buying but I just can't see myself spending the dinari that is being offered.

Yeah, it's a little odd, but as you can see throughout the day, there has been some market reaction to low priced goods selling quickly (e.g., 1 Water for 500 denari) to that same item going up to 2500 denarii right now on the market. So I think people must have realized that people were willing to buy items and may have overpriced them in a reaction to previous sales.

Good old market economy at work.

Now might be time for another market correcion.

[Atrahal]

Tiamatha, on 11 April 2012 - 09:03 PM, said:

Barghast, on 11 April 2012 - 08:48 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 11 April 2012 - 08:28 PM, said:

Is anyone else finding the items in the bazaar being grossly overpriced? There are a few things out there that I'm thinking of buying but I just can't see myself spending the dinari that is being offered.

I do. I mean, really? Is mud and wood that valuable that it is 2000 dinari a pop?

Yeah when you can get 500 each when you have a rent master building for mud and a cooper building for wood. 2000 seems excessive. That is asking 4 times it's value.

If you don't already have those production buildings, though, it costs a lot to buy them. 5k denari for a cooper building. A lot more than that for a Rent Master. So the market value isn't about it's "material" value, but also the cost required to produce the good. Just because you can convert mud into 500 denari after spending thousands to get the capability to do so doesn't mean you should be selling it for that much. There are sunk costs to be recovered.

[Atrahal]

Also, goods are worth what people are willing to pay for them.

[Path-Shaper]

* A letter smelling of heady perfume is brought to you by a messenger *

Dear underlings,

I have noticed a slightly worrying tendency in the bazaar to lower purchasing prices. My tax assessors tell me that this is bad for the economy. Now, as my loving subjects, you will heed my word and not change prices, I'm sure you will.

You see, when you leave the bazaar tonight, you can take your unsold goods with you. In fact, you really should. No-one knows if you are selling yesterday's dates as fresh unless they visibly spent the night on your market stall to be gnawed on by birds, rats and dogs. And the occassional syphilitic beggar, of course. I have one trained to do just that. So, when you return in the morning, you can set a brand new price and advertise it on top of your lungs, but once priced, it must remain at that price.

If not, well..... I am sure you remember that form you put in? The one titled G<number> <letter>? My tax assessors tell me we can trace you that way. Aren't they just clever little penlicking monkeys, those accountants? Now then, my good folk, I assume this is settled?

Thank you for reading, and game on!

Your Khalif.
The Qadi of Cold Justice.

[Tiamatha]

Atrahal, on 11 April 2012 - 09:08 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 11 April 2012 - 09:03 PM, said:

Barghast, on 11 April 2012 - 08:48 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 11 April 2012 - 08:28 PM, said:

Is anyone else finding the items in the bazaar being grossly overpriced? There are a few things out there that I'm thinking of buying but I just can't see myself spending the dinari that is being offered.

I do. I mean, really? Is mud and wood that valuable that it is 2000 dinari a pop?

Yeah when you can get 500 each when you have a rent master building for mud and a cooper building for wood. 2000 seems excessive. That is asking 4 times it's value.

If you don't already have those production buildings, though, it costs a lot to buy them. 5k denari for a cooper building. A lot more than that for a Rent Master. So the market value isn't about it's "material" value, but also the cost required to produce the good. Just because you can convert mud into 500 denari after spending thousands to get the capability to do so doesn't mean you should be selling it for that much. There are sunk costs to be recovered.

You are right in that there are sunk costs involved if you have to go out there and purchase those buildings. But I think some players probably start with a building that could produce revenue from some of the materials they produce so the sunk costs are likely to be zero. So 1000-2000 is probably the appropriate range to sell those items. Making 1000 a great deal 1500 is probably what they should sell for and 2000 for those that are desperate for the item.

[Atrahal]

Tiamatha, on 11 April 2012 - 09:29 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 11 April 2012 - 09:08 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 11 April 2012 - 09:03 PM, said:

Barghast, on 11 April 2012 - 08:48 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 11 April 2012 - 08:28 PM, said:

Is anyone else finding the items in the bazaar being grossly overpriced? There are a few things out there that I'm thinking of buying but I just can't see myself spending the dinari that is being offered.

I do. I mean, really? Is mud and wood that valuable that it is 2000 dinari a pop?

Yeah when you can get 500 each when you have a rent master building for mud and a cooper building for wood. 2000 seems excessive. That is asking 4 times it's value.

If you don't already have those production buildings, though, it costs a lot to buy them. 5k denari for a cooper building. A lot more than that for a Rent Master. So the market value isn't about it's "material" value, but also the cost required to produce the good. Just because you can convert mud into 500 denari after spending thousands to get the capability to do so doesn't mean you should be selling it for that much. There are sunk costs to be recovered.

You are right in that there are sunk costs involved if you have to go out there and purchase those buildings. But I think some players probably start with a building that could produce revenue from some of the materials they produce so the sunk costs are likely to be zero. So 1000-2000 is probably the appropriate range to sell those items. Making 1000 a great deal 1500 is probably what they should sell for and 2000 for those that are desperate for the item.

Right, but the whole idea is that the person who starts off with those production buildings should be benefiting from the costs it would require other people to create the building and goods themselves. Otherwise, why have the Bazaar? How can you make a profit if you sell at cost? I'm not saying there aren't some ridiculous prices out there, but if you want Mud badly enough, you can pay 5000 denari to start producing it or you can pay 2000 for 1 Mud right now, today. So there is not only added costs to producing rather than buying from the Bazaar, but there is the convenience factor as well. If you decided to buy a Mud House or whatever, you don't get mud until the next day; if you need Mud TODAY, then you can pay a premium and use it right away. It's working like a market economy should. Prices will even out as the game continues and probably spike as information is revealed along the way. But highly priced items aren't always as unreasonable as they seem.

All that said, I don't want to pay 2k for Mud or Wood either. C'est la vie.

[Korlat]

If someone desperately wants to make some cash, then they lower their prices. If they just have excess goods their looking to make some money on, then they can afford to wait for the customers who aren't going to survive the night without that special good to make a sale .

I suspect some of the earlier wares on display were placed there before anyone knew what the equilibrium prices were going to turn out to be. That's why you have to be patient sometimes .

[Path-Shaper]

Well, ladies and gentlemen,

I'm off to bed. Best of luck, Ment may be around to answer 1-2 questions but he's also doing exams so don't expect him to be here for more than a handful of minutes at a time.
Unfortunately, tomorrow I'll be everywhere expect behind my desk or at home, meaning that I am reduced to modding from my phone - which is a disaster.

As such, I will log on early in the morning and a couple of hours before deadline and that is likely it. Sorry about that, but in all honesty, I am really happy as the game is going above and beyond my wildest expectations so far. Awesome, keep it that way.

Have fun!

[Tiamatha]

Damn you Atrahal and your logic. Can't a guy just bitch that they think that the prices are too high and leave it at that? Now you have gone and given everyone a reason to keep their prices this high or higher. There is an art to negotiation. The haggling to get the prices where you want them that you haven't factored in.

[Barghast]

Oooooh Kaaaaarrrrrrraaaaaaaaa!!! Come out and playyyyy!!!!

[Omtose]

I was about to come on and say hey, have some of those items changed prices, and then I read PS' post. Should they be put back to their original price then?

[Korlat]

Wow, looks like someone really needs Eunuchs for something. Palace Bureaucracy turns 2 slaves + 1 politics into 2 eunuchs, and that's exactly what C4 and C5 ask for!