[Tehol the Only]

Hi all.
In the books there are tons of clues regarding the ethimology of many names but it can be kind hard to catch/remember them all so maybe collecting all those we find in a post could be useful and interesting for everyone.
I'll post the ones i found (and i hope more will come for you )

Obviously there will be some spoilers so new readers watch out.

-Kellanved
In TCG faint refers to Atri-ceda Aranict as Kellan Varad (high mage).
Any clue about what ved could mean? could it be somehow connected to Veed?(he comes from 7c, where 1st empire language is spoken)
Curious thing is, the emeperor came from Dal Hon so it's kind of strange to find a 1st empire word in his name.

-Brys
In the same scene faint asks for water saying "berys"... not exactly the same word but remeber they speak in "high diction". Particularly interesting if you consider how Brys found himself inside Denaeth Rusen(hope the spelling is correct).

-T'orrud Segul

"Shield anvil" So segulehs are "the anvil" and in darujihstan we have the "shield cabal"

- the T'

LOTS of names/words start with a T'.. we learn in Moi (i think) that this means broken. ??so could t'orrud be a broken /deviated attack??


-Nom

Nom means "knife" in Imass language... how the Nom family actually came to have an imass name is unknown

-Tiste Andii

A lot of andii have the word "and" in their name(anomANDer nenANDa ANDarist nimANDer sANDalath ), wich arguably could mean "darkness or something similar. This leads to suppose their names are composed by words... such supposition is also enforced by the fact that the word "Dragnipur" appears in anomander's second name

-T'lan imass
T'lan is a contraction of Tellan, and also shows the T' .. possibly indicating that the imass lives were broken in the ritual.
A lot of imass names are explained in the book
Onos is "clanless man"
Ool is "veined"
Lan is "flint"
Aral Fayle is a short version of "Chen're aval lich'fayle" =touched by the stone
Nom Kala is "knife drip"

-Mael
"bloodmane" in edur language, referring to the red seafoam after a sacrifice.

-Iskar jarak
"bird who steals", a title curiously used also by the moranth in Gotm
also it appears that our dear Pust got "bird" in the name.

-Mhybe (sigh) or "Mahybe"
apparently "a vessel".
Used as honorific for a mother among barbaric populations.
Also a clay vessel for one's soul among the nomadic populations of kolanse.

[MTS]

Tehol the Only, on 04 April 2012 - 12:46 PM, said:

- the T'
LOTS of names/words start with a T'.. we learn in Moi (i think) that this means broken. ??so could t'orrud be a broken /deviated attack??

According to Memories of Ice the glottal stop in "T'" is an indicator of past tense. Thus you have T'isten'ur, T'riss/Triss, T'lan/Tlan, T'iam/Tiam, T'orrud/Torrud etc.

With Aral Fayle you also have a connection with Otataral. 'Magic stone'? 'Magic-touched'?

This post has been edited by MTS: 04 April 2012 - 01:03 PM

[Tehol the Only]

From Moi

Quote

"What's yours mean, anyway? Onos T'oolan - what's that from?"
"Onos is "clanless man". T' is "broken". Ool is "veined" while lan is "flint" and in combination T'oolan is "flawed flint""
Toc stared at the T'lan Imass for a long moment."Flawed Flint"
"There are layers of meaning"
"I'd guessed"

I kind of remember something about past tense but i really can't bring back anything precise... maybe in this dialogue Tool says broken actually meaning "something that was/that is no more" , could explain the different uses of the prefix.

Nice! i didn't think about the otataral!

[D'rek]

Tehol the Only, on 04 April 2012 - 01:18 PM, said:

From Moi

Quote

"What's yours mean, anyway? Onos T'oolan - what's that from?"
"Onos is "clanless man". T' is "broken". Ool is "veined" while lan is "flint" and in combination T'oolan is "flawed flint""
Toc stared at the T'lan Imass for a long moment."Flawed Flint"
"There are layers of meaning"
"I'd guessed"

I kind of remember something about past tense but i really can't bring back anything precise... maybe in this dialogue Tool says broken actually meaning "something that was/that is no more" , could explain the different uses of the prefix.

Nice! i didn't think about the otataral!

Could be that modern human languages and the 300 000 year-old Imass language both use T' but use it for different things.

So what does the T' = past mean for characters like T'amber and T'morol? I think it might also have a third usage/meaning there.

[Tehol the Only]

D, on 04 April 2012 - 01:37 PM, said:

Tehol the Only, on 04 April 2012 - 01:18 PM, said:

From Moi

Quote

"What's yours mean, anyway? Onos T'oolan - what's that from?"
"Onos is "clanless man". T' is "broken". Ool is "veined" while lan is "flint" and in combination T'oolan is "flawed flint""
Toc stared at the T'lan Imass for a long moment."Flawed Flint"
"There are layers of meaning"
"I'd guessed"

I kind of remember something about past tense but i really can't bring back anything precise... maybe in this dialogue Tool says broken actually meaning "something that was/that is no more" , could explain the different uses of the prefix.

Nice! i didn't think about the otataral!

Could be that modern human languages and the 300 000 year-old Imass language both use T' but use it for different things.

So what does the T' = past mean for characters like T'amber and T'morol? I think it might also have a third usage/meaning there.

Indeed! could be either: just a name with no particular meaning, a new usage of the "T"(like a title or an honorific) or perhaps those names actually means something and the T is part of the meaning. Quite hard to tell without more informations.

[Tehol the Only]

Also i'd add:
Ryadd Eleis= hand of fire (tho can't remember if it's tiste language or what)
Elalle (apparently a common meckros name) is a variation of Eleis (unknown if it means fire or hand or if by itself has a different meaning). Could be an hint of an elder discendence to the Meckros.

[D'rek]

Tehol the Only, on 04 April 2012 - 05:09 PM, said:

Elalle (apparently a common meckros name) It is? We've only heard of three people with it and they were all the same family (Shurq, her uncle and Rudd, adopted by Shurq's uncle)
is a variation of Eleis (unknown if it means fire or hand or if by itself has a different meaning). Source for this?

[Tehol the Only]

D, on 05 April 2012 - 06:32 PM, said:

Tehol the Only, on 04 April 2012 - 05:09 PM, said:

Elalle (apparently a common meckros name) It is? We've only heard of three people with it and they were all the same family (Shurq, her uncle and Rudd, adopted by Shurq's uncle)
is a variation of Eleis (unknown if it means fire or hand or if by itself has a different meaning). Source for this?

explained myself a bit badly.... the newborn son of udinaas and menadore somehow found himself in a meckros town .. and the people there called him rud elalle... said town is then taken from the seas and thrown in the imass refuge world... later on silchas ruin reveals his actual name to be Ryadd Eleis
This is what i remember but it could probably be wrong in some parts. It's all from RG i think... apart from the name revelation which is in DoD.


Edit: mhm just found something from the malazan wiki :"'Rud' meant 'found', in the Meckros trader tongue. For his first seven weeks, he grew up on a Meckros city withAraq Elalle, until it was destroyed by the Crippled God. He was then saved by Menandore and was from then on raised by Bentract Imass in the Refugium.


Mhm so there could be no connection between the two names apart from the similitude. my mistake then

This post has been edited by Tehol the Only: 05 April 2012 - 07:38 PM

[Tehol the Only]

Oh! and about T'amber... could it be her name was originally Tamber/amber but after she was posessed(maybe not the right word) changed it in T'Amber? (she who once was tamber/amber)

[Rupert]

'Eleint Tiam purake setoram n'brael buras -''Draconean words. Children of the Mother Tiam lost in all that they surrendered'...I think it's Udinaas gving the translation but i could be wrong.

In the synopsis of Forge of darkness Purake is also the name of Anomander's hold.This may hint to some common features between Andiian and the Draconean tongue if they arent the same language.

Tehol the Only, on 04 April 2012 - 12:46 PM, said:

Curious thing is, the emeperor came from Dal Hon so it's kind of strange to find a 1st empire word in his name.

Well Masan Gilani is a Dal Hon too but there is another tribe that goes by the name of Gilani on 7 cities,Skulldeath's tribe.Maybe there was a connection between the 2 continents in the time of the first empire.




Another find:TCG Stormy recognizes that the language spoken by the Jaghut soldiers is Falari.One of the Jaghuts is called Gedoran and in DG Mallick Rel speaks with a Gedorian falari accent according to Duiker.