[Liosan]

 Rashan, on 14 March 2012 - 11:53 PM, said:

Interesting idea, though PS told us that it was simply flavor.

If it is true, we have to lynch you anyway, since you're guaranteed to be recruited tonight with that reveal.

The response of the Senior Eunuch Rashan to the minister Karosis' speech was itself very odd. Given the astrologically stated low complexity of the current conflict and the vast numbers of loyal ministers, it was perplexing that Rashan would find a single minister declaring himself a powerless court figure to be so unique that it would garner the guaranteed attention of external agents.

Did the eunuch Rashan, aligned with a foul faction from beyond the court, momentarily forget that a vast number of ministers were certainly just as powerless and far less heavily scrutinized than the minister Karosis?

[Liosan]

 Path-Shaper, on 15 March 2012 - 03:18 AM, said:

The ministers greeted the next day with poems and calligraphy ranging in emotion and effort from those truly passionately inspired to those who were inspired by the money they could get for it.

When entering the palace, they gradually realized that all seemed well and nothing was amiss.

Night 1 is over, no one has died.

It is Day 2
36 hours are left in the day.

20 players are left alive:
Atrahal, Barghast, D'riss, Emurlahn, Fener, Gamelon, Kalse, Korvalain, Liosan, Mockra, Okaros, Omtose, Olar Ethil, Rashan, Ruse Serc, Silanah, Sorrit, Tellan, Tennes

No one has voted.

Scene has been added to the lynch above.

Lo! As the Imperial Historian had formerly indicated, this type of conflict was known from history as often having little to no bloodshed save for the democratic banishment of each day.

[Barghast]

As a humble Senior Magistrate, I would strongly advise the Imperial Historian to cease narrating in third person, lest he attract the ire of the court.


I also don't see anything unsound in Rash's suggestion. Yes, we are all targets of recruitment. Yes, it was fairly likely Karosis was inno. However, having avoided the noose once, Karosis would always remain niggle at the back of people's minds, with WIFOM oozing out of every line that was to be written about him in the future. Eventually, he would become a bad distraction, and a very easy target for scum willing to get an empty lynch.

it's regretful, but once he came out and started speaking publically like that, we could not afford not to lynch him.

[Barghast]

Liosan 12
Okaros 9
Olar Ethil 8
Omtose 7
Tennes 6
Mockra 6
Emurlahn 4
Ruse 3
Fener 2



these people worry me.....


Edited several goddamn times, because the forum'shaving a brain meltdown and won't let me copy player post count normally

This post has been edited by Barghast: 15 March 2012 - 05:42 AM

[Mockra]

So no kills then? Interesting, this could be a long slow game with a lot of player numbers for the cult(s) to hide in.

Well I am around now Barghast, unfortunately it seems to be a bit of a quiet time at the moment. Did you get bored with the italics?

Anyway I guess I will go back and look at that train on Karosis and see if any of the votes stand out.

[Barghast]

 Mockra, on 15 March 2012 - 05:53 AM, said:

So no kills then? Interesting, this could be a long slow game with a lot of player numbers for the cult(s) to hide in.

Well I am around now Barghast, unfortunately it seems to be a bit of a quiet time at the moment. Did you get bored with the italics?

Anyway I guess I will go back and look at that train on Karosis and see if any of the votes stand out.

While they do tend to be a bit of a pain in IE (as is changing the font to Comic Sans every time), it's more of a "things got serious, i'm not gonna RP anymore" thing.

[Mockra]

Ahh right, well hope Liosan follows along as well then and stops his RP.

[Okaros]

 Barghast, on 15 March 2012 - 05:33 AM, said:

Liosan 12
Okaros 9
Olar Ethil 8
Omtose 7
Tennes 6
Mockra 6
Emurlahn 4
Ruse 3
Fener 2



these people worry me.....


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Really? Just because we are low posters? Personally, I have less of an issue with low posters than with those who are low content posters. Care to explain why low posters scare you?

[Barghast]

 Okaros, on 15 March 2012 - 06:38 AM, said:

 Barghast, on 15 March 2012 - 05:33 AM, said:

Liosan 12
Okaros 9
Olar Ethil 8
Omtose 7
Tennes 6
Mockra 6
Emurlahn 4
Ruse 3
Fener 2



these people worry me.....


Edited several goddamn times, because the forum'shaving a brain meltdown and won't let me copy player post count normally

Really? Just because we are low posters? Personally, I have less of an issue with low posters than with those who are low content posters. Care to explain why low posters scare you?

"Worried" does not equal "scared of"



low posters=no read on=bad.

not to mention that often low posters have no content. cases in point: Fener, Emurlahn.

[Barghast]

in any case, it is 2 MA here. certainly bed time.

[Mockra]

So looking back at Karosis train.

First up is D'riss who I guess made the original case. I have no issue with this vote or the case really, it was Day 1 seemed reasonable.

D said:

Another vote change Karosis? Working together with Rashan maybe? Both of these ones guys seem a bit scummy to me, but Karosis more so.

vote Karosis

I may be persuaded to vote Rashan for a lynch.

Ok second up is Okaros who got in a vaguely OMGUS fight with Karosis.

Okaros said:

Really? "a blatant exhibition of the cancerous attitude"? "flaunting points of view"? "I can't allow this to stand"? And you're going to force me to participate? This post is disgusting. You are using ridiculous and overblown language in an attempt to influence people. Did I say I wanted the day to go by without a lynch? I specifically said that things discovered on day one can lead to discoveries further on. But to pretend that day one cases will lead to anything other than a lynched townie is rubbish, and pretending otherwise is misleading.

I dislike your constant vote changing, and your overreaction to my post. Your comment that you are goin to force me to contribute revolts me, and I think you are stupid if you think I'm trying not to garner any heat. Why would I not just check in and leave if I was trying to drift?

So, at the risk of sounding OMGUS,

Vote Karosis.

Finally, does anyone else find Liosan's posts a little strange? That was some epically long summarising going on.

Next up is Kalse, who had similiar reasons to D'riss and I guess Okaros to put on vote number 3.

Kalse said:

In the first underline, he is once again telling people how to play the game. It seems to him there is only 1 way, his way. In the second underline, he gives us insight to his thought process. How can you be attached to a case that isn't a case. His case was an analyzation of RP. When I defended,he said I got defensive. (even though, he had previously stated that if you don't defend, you have something to hide). AND YET, he has no problem switching his vote to uphold his high standards of mafia play. In the third underline, he seems to take the moral high road as if other people's play style is an affront to him personally. He comes across as pompous, know-it-all, and is trying to tell people how to play the game. He seems to be trying to run the game and, talk out of both sides of his mouth, and says whatever is convenient at the time to make people see things his way. At worst he is a townie that will do us no favors and only look at things from his side, and if recruited, dominate the thread with his views and opinions, at best he is a recruiter, trying to run the show. Either way, he seems like a fine lynch to me.

vote Karosis

More thoughts on other players are forthcoming.

Ok now things start to get interesting. Barghast with his vote which is the 4th vote and starting the train up.

Barghast said:

Given that others seem unvilling to follow the venerable traditions and remove the heinous Fener, I will turn my attention elsewhere.

Karosis has been extremely erratic in their play, showing an odd willingness to jump around and attack nearly everyone in the court. The amount of flimsy accusations he has thrown around may easily prove a fatal distraction.


remove vote

vote Karosis

Then Emurlahn pops on to put vote number 5 on.

Emurlahn said:

I'm going to bed.

remove vote
vote Karosis


Right now that is the lynch that seems the most likely to happen.

Then Silanah and pretty much the train is inevitable at this point with time running out.

Silanah said:

Only 2.5 hours left in Day 1 and still no lynch? Surprising... Normally we get lynches easily on Day 1...
OK. A Korvalain lynch seems unlikely, a Karosis lynch seems likely with about half the votes needed already on him. I see no other option for a lynch that we can pull together in 2.5 hours so, sorry Karosis...
Vote Karosis

Then there was Tennes which is the most unconvincing of the votes to me.

Tennes said:

remove vote

Vote karosis he was one of my top 3 today and silanah's voted that way.

And then Olar Ethil

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I think he is not just abrasive and erratic but it feels like he is trying to run the thread and is doing it by setting himself up as some kind of authority in the way he talks and interacts with other players. None of it sits right with me and if Tellan's symping of Rashan was fake I think he was trying to distract from Karosis.

and because I am now going to bed:

Vote Karosis.

Then Korvalain after throwing his toys out of his cot then and voting for himself switched over as well.

Korvalain said:

I need to go cool off. And I have to go so.

remove vote

vote karosis

Which was 9 votes and not much time left finally left Atrahal and Sorrit/Rashan to hammer.

So looking through that, what can we make of it all? Well quite frankly fuck all really.
Karosis had done enough on Day 1 that most people used the same excuse to vote him, and it seems legitimate enough for a Day 1 case. He played similiar to how Jump Around played as a symp in the vet game and on Day 1
it doens't take much to get a vote on someone.

The vote I like least is from Tennes, it was getting close to inevitable at that point, and voting just cos Silanah is voting for that person seems I dunno... weak?

Not sure about Barghast as well. To me his vote seemed similiar in reason to the others, but I felt it vaguely forced, especially after Fener's lynch not going anywhere. Although maybe I just read it worse from his
RP way of doing it.

Might go and have a quick reread of Tennes and see if that reveals anything.


Anyone else got any thoughts?

[Tennes]

I'm here and on a computer so will be catching up the next few hours. Last night I went the pub, I got in late, I didn't have access to a computer and my signal on my mobile is awful. I had time to check the post count and who had voted. 4-5 votes were on Karosis and 1 on anyone else. I checked to see if Silanah was on the train as the only other confirmed innocent. I didn't want to go the day without a lynch and I wasn't sure how many people would come on after me. I can read through and post my thoughts this morning but better to have a lynch than to let day timeout. Also he was in my top three suspects for scum which I posted earlier. I don't know what went down in the few hours before my vote or after so will catch up.

[Tennes]

 Barghast, on 14 March 2012 - 06:56 PM, said:

Given that others seem unvilling to follow the venerable traditions and remove the heinous Fener, I will turn my attention elsewhere.

Karosis has been extremely erratic in their play, showing an odd willingness to jump around and attack nearly everyone in the court. The amount of flimsy accusations he has thrown around may easily prove a fatal distraction.


remove vote

vote Karosis

I agree with this. How can you take a player seriously that votes one person, removes vote, votes another person etc. If he is trying to provoke a reaction then his vote needs to stick for a while to put pressure on who he is voting for.

[Tennes]

 Rashan, on 14 March 2012 - 11:03 PM, said:

Train sure is building fast on Karosis. Not sure I like that. Better him than me, though.

This is another one for you Rashan. Anthras was pinging our radar last game near enough all game and when we finally lynched him he turned out to be scum. Statements like this jump out at me.

[Okaros]

Mockra, that's a great summary. Barghast needs further looking into, he seems to be making a lot of posts with not a lot of content, and focussing on the low posters (It may look a little bit OMGUS, but I really don't think there is much meri at this stage in attacking the low posters).

I also don't like the way Tennes followed Silanah on the voting train. Silanah is by no means infallable, and I think we need to be wary of following Silanah just because she is CI. Also, I can very easily see scum following Silanah in an effort to appear innocent.

In addition, I really don't like the way Liosan continues to post, and ignore the questions from others.

[Tennes]

 Path-Shaper, on 15 March 2012 - 01:36 AM, said:

It is Day 1
A Lynch has occurred.

21 players are left alive:
Atrahal, Barghast, D'riss, Emurlahn, Fener, Gamelon, Kalse, Karosis, Korvalain, Liosan, Mockra, Okaros, Omtose, Olar Ethil, Rashan, Ruse Serc, Silanah, Sorrit, Tellan, Tennes

1 vote Rashan: Liosan
11 votes Karosis: D'riss, Okaros, Kalse, Barghast, Emurlahn, Silanah, Tennes, Olar Ethil, Korvalain, Atrahal, Rashan
2 votes Mockra: Sorrit, Korvalain
1 vote Okaros: Karosis
1 vote Atrahal: Tellan
1 vote Liosan: Emurlahn
1 vote Serc: Tennes
1 vote Korvalain: Silanah, Omtose


Players not voting: Fener, Gamelon, Mockra, Olar Ethil, Ruse, Serc


The ministers sat about in the one remaining servicable room in the palace for such a group. Wafts of conversations passed about like smoke. Some ministers would stop on occassion to pen a poem, or write a few lines that they planned to sell later. On the few occasions the Emperor appeared, they looked to their decorum, but generally the atmosphere was relaxed. That was, until the Minister of Civil Services began to throw accusations about. The majority managed to maintain a gentile air and ignored him for the most part, voicing their own suspicions about who was being bribed by who. That is, until someone quietly whispered "he throws accusations around like someone throws money around." This quickly morphed into a cry of "he must have money! he has been bribed!"

And suddenly the gentil nobles became a ruthless mob as they ran him out of the palace.


Karosis (Sir Thursday) was Minister of Civil Services.

ST has done this the last few games he has played. Put himself out there day one and gotten lynched for it. It does create a lot of discussion and different avenues to follow. So because Mockra didn't vote he wants to look at the train? I would bet quite a bit of money that at least one of the scum was NOT on the lynch train. They lay low and remain hidden from us. Out of the ones that did not vote Mockra posted during the game. Fener is there but I don't think he has said much. Olar did vote. Ruse just spouted poetry so is either recruitable or a recruiter (imo). Gamelon was around and would have voted. Serc I am still unsure of. It is in our interest to vote and get a lynch so can I ask why you didn't vote Mockra?

[Mockra]

Did you miss my post? There was an hour or half or so to go before lynch when I posted this and about 5 or 6 of us around and I noticed Path Shaper's name was in the list of people viewing at the bottom.

Mockra said:

So its an hour and a half I think till lynch going from the previous vote update, and its looking like Karosis or no one at this point so I will be voting for Karosis. Guess will wait for a Path Shaper update I think he's at L-1 now.

However 3 minutes after I posted that Karosis was hammered so I didn't need to vote. There was plenty of people happy to do it, me included and lots of time. After that I had time and no one was around, so why wouldn't I look at the train? Are you saying only people who voted on the train can look at it or something?

[Tennes]

 Okaros, on 15 March 2012 - 09:12 AM, said:

Mockra, that's a great summary. Barghast needs further looking into, he seems to be making a lot of posts with not a lot of content, and focussing on the low posters (It may look a little bit OMGUS, but I really don't think there is much meri at this stage in attacking the low posters).

I also don't like the way Tennes followed Silanah on the voting train. Silanah is by no means infallable, and I think we need to be wary of following Silanah just because she is CI. Also, I can very easily see scum following Silanah in an effort to appear innocent.

In addition, I really don't like the way Liosan continues to post, and ignore the questions from others.

You were second on the Karosis train,

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D'riss, Okaros, Kalse, Barghast, Emurlahn, Silanah

by the time I voted there was no other choice. I was happy to see Silanah on the train, it made me more comfortable seem as though I wasn't around to read up. There were plenty of people around in the last few hours to change direction. A lot of you were umming and arring about Karosis. As far as anyone knew at the time he could have been a recruiter. The people unconvinced but voting for him anyway are suspcious, they could have voted elsewhere.

[Tennes]

 Mockra, on 15 March 2012 - 09:34 AM, said:

Did you miss my post? There was an hour or half or so to go before lynch when I posted this and about 5 or 6 of us around and I noticed Path Shaper's name was in the list of people viewing at the bottom.

Mockra said:

So its an hour and a half I think till lynch going from the previous vote update, and its looking like Karosis or no one at this point so I will be voting for Karosis. Guess will wait for a Path Shaper update I think he's at L-1 now.

However 3 minutes after I posted that Karosis was hammered so I didn't need to vote. There was plenty of people happy to do it, me included and lots of time. After that I had time and no one was around, so why wouldn't I look at the train? Are you saying only people who voted on the train can look at it or something?

So for what reason would you have voted for Karosis? You say you want to look at the train, which you would have been on if you could.

[Mockra]

Well I would have voted for Karosis because there was an hour and a half to go, and he had 9 votes and we needed 11 to lynch and there was no other possible choice that could be considered.

And to be honest that was the strongest Day 1 case we had so its hard to point fingers at people for voting on it as such. As I said in what I optimistically described as an analysis of the train, where I said.. and I quote, "So looking through that, what can we make of it all? Well quite frankly fuck all really."

Yours and to a lesser extent Barghasts were the only two I pointed out that had a vague shady vibe.

If you had said, "I'm voting Karosis because he's being voting all over the place and I don't like the way he's been playing" I'd have not really had an issue. I think it was you tacking on the end because your voting with Silanah, like you wanted to use our CI as an excuse or something.