[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 9.

27 hours and 18 minutes left in the day.

11 players are left alive:
Barghast, D'riss, Gamelon, Mockra, Okaros, Omtose, Rashan, Serc, Silanah, Tellan, Tennes

2 votes D'riss: Mockra, Tennes
3 votes Rashan: D'riss, Silanah, Omtose

Players not voting: Barghast, Gamelon, Okaros, Rashan, Serc, Tellan

[D'riss]

There is absolutely no reasonable case that I could be the Ouchi recruiter, and a stronger one that I am inno. The only vote I've followed has been Sil's because she is the only one I trust. I have determined my voting based on what I consider to be good cases or my gut instincts which at times have been wrong.

First I remind you that Atrahal and I were clearly on opposing sides and I was all for that lynch. Second, Ruse, our other Ouchi cf and I were also at odds. Ruse kept coming after me and putting votes out on me. If I was his leader, wouldn't that be a bit too over the top as a method to distance himself?

As far as Rashan goes, he's back to trying to steer the game again. Remember how he did that with the Liosan and Emurlahn lynches and we lost 2 townies plus 2 days time? He is doing the SAME THING here. He tried to use his fake reveal as a distraction from his boss which didn't work. Now he's hoping to get you to lynch me to buy his team some more time. We have no way of knowing if its possible to switch cult teams, but because Rashan is saying it happened, I'm betting you can't.

[Rashan]

I sincerely apologize to Korvy. I didn't give people enough credit that they wouldn't jump all over a D'riss or me lynch. I didn't do it to distract from you, mostly, it was just to get rid of a competitor.

[Rashan]

D, on 29 March 2012 - 01:41 PM, said:

There is absolutely no reasonable case that I could be the Ouchi recruiter, and a stronger one that I am inno. The only vote I've followed has been Sil's because she is the only one I trust. I have determined my voting based on what I consider to be good cases or my gut instincts which at times have been wrong.

First I remind you that Atrahal and I were clearly on opposing sides and I was all for that lynch. Second, Ruse, our other Ouchi cf and I were also at odds. Ruse kept coming after me and putting votes out on me. If I was his leader, wouldn't that be a bit too over the top as a method to distance himself?

As far as Rashan goes, he's back to trying to steer the game again. Remember how he did that with the Liosan and Emurlahn lynches and we lost 2 townies plus 2 days time? He is doing the SAME THING here. He tried to use his fake reveal as a distraction from his boss which didn't work. Now he's hoping to get you to lynch me to buy his team some more time. We have no way of knowing if its possible to switch cult teams, but because Rashan is saying it happened, I'm betting you can't.

Guess what I also directed? The Atrahal lynch. Then you recruited me. Horrible irony, that.

Here he tries to say that he couldn't be the recruiter because he distanced well. I think he's played a great game, no one has suspected him as anything but recruit it seems. That distancing vote on Atrahal was well timed.

Just lynch him. It's clear I'm not a recruiter, and I have nothing to lose here by telling you this. I don't even know why I'm trying to convince you, my team is done. So I'm going to leave. But I'm telling the truth.

[Tennes]

Rashan, on 29 March 2012 - 01:41 PM, said:

I sincerely apologize to Korvy. I didn't give people enough credit that they wouldn't jump all over a D'riss or me lynch. I didn't do it to distract from you, mostly, it was just to get rid of a competitor.

You were just the cherry on the icing on the cake, I made the cake and Kalse gave us the icing. Don't beat yourself up.

It's still you or D'riss for me today unless someone has spotted something I've missed.

I want to here from Gamelon as well and see what his thoughts are on this as well.

[D'riss]

Rashan, on 29 March 2012 - 01:44 PM, said:

D, on 29 March 2012 - 01:41 PM, said:

There is absolutely no reasonable case that I could be the Ouchi recruiter, and a stronger one that I am inno. The only vote I've followed has been Sil's because she is the only one I trust. I have determined my voting based on what I consider to be good cases or my gut instincts which at times have been wrong.

First I remind you that Atrahal and I were clearly on opposing sides and I was all for that lynch. Second, Ruse, our other Ouchi cf and I were also at odds. Ruse kept coming after me and putting votes out on me. If I was his leader, wouldn't that be a bit too over the top as a method to distance himself?

As far as Rashan goes, he's back to trying to steer the game again. Remember how he did that with the Liosan and Emurlahn lynches and we lost 2 townies plus 2 days time? He is doing the SAME THING here. He tried to use his fake reveal as a distraction from his boss which didn't work. Now he's hoping to get you to lynch me to buy his team some more time. We have no way of knowing if its possible to switch cult teams, but because Rashan is saying it happened, I'm betting you can't.

Guess what I also directed? The Atrahal lynch. Then you recruited me. Horrible irony, that.

Here he tries to say that he couldn't be the recruiter because he distanced well. I think he's played a great game, no one has suspected him as anything but recruit it seems. That distancing vote on Atrahal was well timed.

Just lynch him. It's clear I'm not a recruiter, and I have nothing to lose here by telling you this. I don't even know why I'm trying to convince you, my team is done. So I'm going to leave. But I'm telling the truth.

Now THAT is the biggest crock of shit. Even I know I suck at this game...

[Rashan]

Alright, if that's not convincing, I'll try one more time then be done.

11 players left alive.

Okay, since clearly we didn't win today, the Ikko Ikki can have 5 recruits at the most.
Since the Ouchi didn't win today, they can have 4 recruits at the most.

When you lynch someone today, there will be 10 players alive tomorrow.

If we're JUST looking at lynching Me vs. lynching D'riss, it comes to this:

If you lynch me, a known Ikko Ikki, the recruiter will recruit successfully, and have 5 (plus 1 for the recruiter), which is enough to win.
If you lynch D'riss, who IS a recruiter, but to you people who don't know for sure is simply a recruiter suspect, he will be unable to recruit, and will not win.

There's nothing gained from lynching someone whom you know to be Ikko Ikki.

[D'riss]

Rashan, on 29 March 2012 - 01:58 PM, said:

Alright, if that's not convincing, I'll try one more time then be done.

11 players left alive.

Okay, since clearly we didn't win today, the Ikko Ikki can have 5 recruits at the most.
Since the Ouchi didn't win today, they can have 4 recruits at the most.

When you lynch someone today, there will be 10 players alive tomorrow.

If we're JUST looking at lynching Me vs. lynching D'riss, it comes to this:

If you lynch me, a known Ikko Ikki, the recruiter will recruit successfully, and have 5 (plus 1 for the recruiter), which is enough to win.
If you lynch D'riss, who IS a recruiter, but to you people who don't know for sure is simply a recruiter suspect, he will be unable to recruit, and will not win.

There's nothing gained from lynching someone whom you know to be Ikko Ikki.

OR

You hit one of the few remaining townies. Town loses.

From your perspective, if you get rid of a town at this point it helps your case just as much as getting an ouchi recruit. One less town means one less in the recruiting pool for Ouchi.

[Rashan]

No,because if I hit town, Ouchi STILL win. So that does me no good.

[D'riss]

And HERE'S a thought. IF you could have been formerly Ouchi and then Ikki, why didn't Ouchi just take you back? They could have taken you back and then allowed you to lead them directly to the Ikki leader.

[Rashan]

Because I revealed the minute I saw the PM that I switched sides. They could have taken me back, but why would I do that when I revealed you as Ouchi recruiter yesterday? I obviously couldn't push the lynch if you recruited me back.

How would you know that I was no longer your recruit if not for the reveal?

[Tennes]

Is there a reason you haven't voted Rashan?

[D'riss]

Rashan, on 29 March 2012 - 02:09 PM, said:

Because I revealed the minute I saw the PM that I switched sides. They could have taken me back, but why would I do that when I revealed you as Ouchi recruiter yesterday? I obviously couldn't push the lynch if you recruited me back.

How would you know that I was no longer your recruit if not for the reveal?

Because if I was REALLY the recruiter, I am sure you could have come up with some elaborate case against me. Since I am not, you have none, hence the fake reveal. You needed to save your boss so you picked someone that was obviously not on your side.

[Tennes]

D, on 29 March 2012 - 02:18 PM, said:

Rashan, on 29 March 2012 - 02:09 PM, said:

Because I revealed the minute I saw the PM that I switched sides. They could have taken me back, but why would I do that when I revealed you as Ouchi recruiter yesterday? I obviously couldn't push the lynch if you recruited me back.

How would you know that I was no longer your recruit if not for the reveal?

Because if I was REALLY the recruiter, I am sure you could have come up with some elaborate case against me. Since I am not, you have none, hence the fake reveal. You needed to save your boss so you picked someone that was obviously not on your side.

So you think Rashan was Korv's underling?

Who do you think is the Ouchi recruiter?

[D'riss]

I'm really not sure at this point. We've been focusing on the other side so much. I need to do a read through and see what the interactions were. There have to be some patterns between who voted Kalse and who didn't vote for Ruse and Atrahal.

[Tellan]

I don't particularly like the idea of either a Rashan or D'riss lynch.

Of the two I'd rather lynch D'riss. I can't see Rashan as a recruiter, or anything other than an Ikki recruit, so it doesn't seem like a very good lynch. With D'riss, I'm uncertain. Looking at their interaction after the night Rashan claims to be recruited, and the odd choice of D'riss makes me not want to just dismiss the reveal. But there was obviously an aspect of trying to save Korv involved, and I'm not sure I can believe the convenience of timing that would be necessary for the D'riss part of the reveal to be true as well as it serving the purpose of deflecting from Korv.

So really, I'm not very sold on either of them. D'riss would be my choice but only because it'd yield more info and because a chance of hitting Ouchi recruiter is far more important than dealing with Ikki recruits at this point.

My first choice atm would probably revert to Okaros, for his position on the Omtose train and him not being keen on a Ruse lynch iirc.

[Tennes]

D, on 29 March 2012 - 02:23 PM, said:

I'm really not sure at this point. We've been focusing on the other side so much. I need to do a read through and see what the interactions were. There have to be some patterns between who voted Kalse and who didn't vote for Ruse and Atrahal.

Through no fault of your own you are in the hot seat right now. I think you need to provide something solid for us to have a look at. The onus is on you to provide a better candidate for Ouchi recruiter.

[Tennes]

Tellan, on 29 March 2012 - 02:33 PM, said:

I don't particularly like the idea of either a Rashan or D'riss lynch.

Of the two I'd rather lynch D'riss. I can't see Rashan as a recruiter, or anything other than an Ikki recruit, so it doesn't seem like a very good lynch. With D'riss, I'm uncertain. Looking at their interaction after the night Rashan claims to be recruited, and the odd choice of D'riss makes me not want to just dismiss the reveal. But there was obviously an aspect of trying to save Korv involved, and I'm not sure I can believe the convenience of timing that would be necessary for the D'riss part of the reveal to be true as well as it serving the purpose of deflecting from Korv.

So really, I'm not very sold on either of them. D'riss would be my choice but only because it'd yield more info and because a chance of hitting Ouchi recruiter is far more important than dealing with Ikki recruits at this point.

My first choice atm would probably revert to Okaros, for his position on the Omtose train and him not being keen on a Ruse lynch iirc.

Over the last few days I've found Okaros' posts helpful and insightful. Korvalian, Atrahal, Kalse all pointed towards Okaros and they all turned out to be recruited or recruits so i'm not sold on Okaros at all.

[Barghast]

Hmmm, interesting. I'm still not sure I trust Rashan's reveal....

[Barghast]

actually, y'know what?

vote Rashan
on an off chance he's a recruiter, pulling a ballsy play .