[Path-Shaper]

lynch number is majority. I like to err to the side of full majority. 6 is only half.

[D'riss]

Makes sense for me, I just noticed it had changed the first couple of days and seemed to stop.

[Korvalain]

Path-Shaper, on 28 March 2012 - 01:34 PM, said:

MOSHIWAKE GOZAIMASEN!

It is Day 8.


20 hours and 28 minutes left in the day.

12 players are left alive:
Barghast, D'riss, Gamelon, Korvalain, Mockra, Okaros, Omtose, Rashan, Serc, Silanah, Tellan, Tennes


7 votes to lynch, 7 to go to night.

1 vote D'riss: Rashan
1 vote Rashan: Omtose
5 votes Korvalain: D'riss, Okaros, Gamelon, Tennes, Mockra

Players not voting: Barghast, Korvalain, Serc, Silanah, Tellan

WTF. I leave before night even gets resolved and I come back and I'm at L-2 before I even have a chance to say anything with over 20 hours in the day? What happened while I was gone. Off to get caught up.

[Korvalain]

Rashan, on 28 March 2012 - 12:48 AM, said:

Hopefully this is the right decision.

Remember the day we lynched Atrahal? Our first cult CF? Yeah, that same night I was recruited to the ranks of the Ouchi. (yes, I was facepalming).

Do you wanna know who did it?

D'riss.

Do you want to know why I'm telling you this?

Because last night I was recruited to the Ikko Ikki. (yes, I was facepalming again. Both days I was recruited directly after beginning a train on my new team).

So what I'm doing here is sacrificing myself in order to better my current faction. I know who the Ouchi leader is, and I am no longer affiliated with her. So I hope that in eliminating the competition I allow the Ikko a better chance of victory.

Yes, apparently people can be recruited twice. I don't have any idea how the mechanics work.

Believe me or don't, I don't care. Lynch me now and I come up Ikko Ikki. Lynch D'riss, she comes up Ouchi recruiter.

I will not be posting any further, I feel it safer to avoid responding to anyone for fear of outing my current leader.

(I will stave off the modkill, if you do decide to lynch D'riss today).

Have a nice game, folks.

Okay we have this reveal and I"M at L-2? Not Rashan or D'riss. Looks like we have one team throwing all of their cards on the table going all in.

[Korvalain]

Gamelon, on 28 March 2012 - 12:53 AM, said:

Korvalain, on 27 March 2012 - 11:50 PM, said:

I've to to go. I guess I will have to wait until tomorrow to find out if there are any deaths.

I want to know why you are so certain abou there being deaths.

How did you get that? I was hoping someone still had a vig and finally decided to use it on either Okaros or Gamelon. One can still hope can't we and look, there was no deaths. Yeah I was real certain wasn't I?

[Korvalain]

D, on 28 March 2012 - 02:22 AM, said:

So before Rashan's 'reveal' I was leaning towards Korvalain. I felt like the similarity between their cases was a bit too contrived, and they had quite a bit of interplay. I think I would be ok with going after either Rashan or Korvalain today.

So are you suggesting that cult have off thread communications? How else could the similarities between the cases be contrived if we didn't talk to each other? You are so full of shit scrambling to put heat on a player that as you can see has absolutely noone defending him. I'm at L-2 and who is standing up for me putting cases on other players trying to derail the lynch.

Oh that's right.

NOONE.

Do you know why that is? Because I'm not a recruiter and noone knows if I'm on their team or not. But see who has come out and followed you once you switched from Rashan to me? I don't need Rashan's reveal to know that you look like you are directing a lynch and all your peons are following along blindly.

[Korvalain]

Mockra, on 28 March 2012 - 05:06 AM, said:

D, on 28 March 2012 - 02:35 AM, said:

I'm going to bed. I would rather go for the leader, and I think I've decided it is more likely Korvalain.

remove vote

vote Korvalain

So what your saying D'riss is rather than lynch Rashan who is lying about you being the Ouchi recruiter, your lynching Korvalain for being the leader of the Ouchi or the Ikko ikki?

Surely if you were inno you'd be after Rashan for lying and trying to get you lynched?

@Barghast - Rashan said it was after the Atrahal lynch, so I presume that night? If I recall Rashan was on the Atrahal train early, but then jumped off the Ruse train late with D'riss

He's probably thinking that he can recruit Rashan again tonight and then win the game.

[Tennes]

Path-Shaper, on 28 March 2012 - 01:34 PM, said:

MOSHIWAKE GOZAIMASEN!

It is Day 8.


20 hours and 28 minutes left in the day.

12 players are left alive:
Barghast, D'riss, Gamelon, Korvalain, Mockra, Okaros, Omtose, Rashan, Serc, Silanah, Tellan, Tennes


7 votes to lynch, 7 to go to night.

1 vote D'riss: Rashan
1 vote Rashan: Omtose
5 votes Korvalain: D'riss, Okaros, Gamelon, Tennes, Mockra

Players not voting: Barghast, Korvalain, Serc, Silanah, Tellan

Korvalain, on 28 March 2012 - 03:00 PM, said:

D, on 28 March 2012 - 02:22 AM, said:

So before Rashan's 'reveal' I was leaning towards Korvalain. I felt like the similarity between their cases was a bit too contrived, and they had quite a bit of interplay. I think I would be ok with going after either Rashan or Korvalain today.

So are you suggesting that cult have off thread communications? How else could the similarities between the cases be contrived if we didn't talk to each other? You are so full of shit scrambling to put heat on a player that as you can see has absolutely noone defending him. I'm at L-2 and who is standing up for me putting cases on other players trying to derail the lynch.

Oh that's right.

NOONE.

Do you know why that is? Because I'm not a recruiter and noone knows if I'm on their team or not. But see who has come out and followed you once you switched from Rashan to me? I don't need Rashan's reveal to know that you look like you are directing a lynch and all your peons are following along blindly.

Rashan could easily be your recruit. Omtose could also be on your team. So could Serc or Barghast. I am doubtful about Barghast though. Just cause a train has built fast does not mean your not Cult Recruiter. You are heavily linked to Kalse, for a number of reasons, who was a different faction to Ruse and Atrahal. The lynch train has stalled because 1) there is time left in the day and 2) you will have recruits left.

[Korvalain]

Okaros, on 28 March 2012 - 05:43 AM, said:

Wow, just... wow.

Gamelon, on 28 March 2012 - 01:01 AM, said:

Bombshell is the right word...

Why haven't you voted D'riss yourself?

Also, the only reason I can think you'd do this is because your leader is under scrutiny, and given the past day, I'm still going to look at Okaros and Korvalain, because Okaros has been linked to dkt, and Korvalain to Kalse.
F**k it, it could be both of them. S**t.

I think your reasoning is a little wonky here. What with Kalse's cf, i would say that Rashan is definitely trying to distract from someone connected with Kalse. I was apparently connected to dkt, who was of a different faction to what Rashan is claiming to be, and if Rashan is trying to deflect from me he has done a terrible job of it, I have been under fire since dks lynch and a reveal right now, when the suspicion is moving towards the second cult, would be silly.

In my mind the one most connected to Kalse is Korvalain, they have been acting very pally the last few days, and there was something strange going on with their voting. On day one Korvalain followed Kalse on Karosis' lynch. Day two Korv followed Kalse on Liosan's train. Day 5 Korv voted Olar Ethil as soon as Kalse did. On day 6 Korv followed Kalse on voting Ruse and on day 7 Korv and Kalse were the only two voting on myself. I'm willing to let the first two days go, but this kind of vote following is mighty suspicious. Add this to Korvalain's reaction to the lynch, and there is a clear connection here.

Rashan's reveal was right after my post saying that I had a case on Korvalain. I think it is rather clear that Rashan is trying to deflect from Korvalain.

Vote Korvalain.

Also strange is D'riss' defence. It feels very much like a desperate attempt to discredit Rashan, rather than to actually answer the accusations.

The other one I am watching out for is Serc. He has posted probably one post with content per day, and the rest is either saying he has returned and is reading up to provide thoughts that he then never provides, or useless comments on current cases. When i called him on it he got defensive and refused to answer me. He never answered satisfactorally why he chose to vig Sorrit, except that he believed Sorrit was a cult leader, but there was no justification on thread for this belief and Sorrit had said basically nothing. Kalse was quite certain he was innocent, but the justification that he had confessed to the vig was shoddy. Also, Kalse stated that he was protecting Sorrit from being recruited, but in light of Kalse coming up scum I'm questioning this statement a lot. It is more than possible that Kalse was lying about Serc to make us think that he was CI and follow him more than others.

This post kept getting interrupted by work meetings and callers so I'm sorry if it's a bit rambly and incoherent!

What can I say. I finally found someone that would actually listen to me and was thinking along the same lines as me. Of course I wanted to work with him because he and I basically had the same case. I was willing to working with him to find the recruiter of Atrahal and later Ruse. I figured if he was trying to go along with me he was either town or not Ouchi. It made me trust him more. A mistake to trust anyone I know. But still, just because he came up cult doesn't take away from his and my case. It actually validaties it even more because he wasn't Ouchi.

Though with Rashan's reveal it's making me doubt my conviction that Okaros is the Ouchi recruiter. Though not necessarily an Ouchi member.

[Korvalain]

Tellan, on 28 March 2012 - 01:20 PM, said:

I'm leaning towards a Korv or Okaros vote.


I don't think Rashan is a recruiter, and that's what we really need to hit. I don't get his reveal. He might even be being honest. Having said that even if he is honest, it'd be better to hit the recruiter of the stronger faction. I don't like how Okaros (and to some extent Barg, who was getting heat a bit back, though I didn't agree with that case so much) have dropped off people's radar. Again though, if Okaros is a recruiter he seems more likely Ouchi to me.

Which leaves Korv. I can see why he suspicious but the train seems to have piled rather quickly.

How long have we got left?

That was what I was saying yesterday when we were in the exact same situation. That was why I was so pissed off about. People being stupid. The best possible outcome I saw with lynching Kalse was a recruited player. Even though it was the best bet to find cult it didn't have the best possible outcome of a lynch which was finding a recruiter. Yet here people are looking to lynch me when we still have Okaros and D'riss out there as the best possibilites of being a recuiter.

[Korvalain]

Tennes, on 28 March 2012 - 09:06 AM, said:

Yeah but I don't see Rashan turning out to be a recruiter so why wait another night for Korvalian or D'riss (if we are to believe Rashan) to recruit. I say we go with Korvalian today, lynch Rashan tomorrow to find out if he was what he says and then go from there. I don't think Rashan would be able to out his leader like that, it feels like a modkillable offence, so I can only assume that D'riss was a threat to Rashan in some way. WIFOM territory I know so i'll leave it at that.

Very convienent. Lynch Korv and Rashan before even thinking about D'riss or Okaros.

You know what you guys are being so obvious it's laughable.

Silanah. I hope you see what is going on. I defer to you as to what you think we should do today.

[D'riss]

Korvalain, on 28 March 2012 - 03:25 PM, said:

Tellan, on 28 March 2012 - 01:20 PM, said:

I'm leaning towards a Korv or Okaros vote.


I don't think Rashan is a recruiter, and that's what we really need to hit. I don't get his reveal. He might even be being honest. Having said that even if he is honest, it'd be better to hit the recruiter of the stronger faction. I don't like how Okaros (and to some extent Barg, who was getting heat a bit back, though I didn't agree with that case so much) have dropped off people's radar. Again though, if Okaros is a recruiter he seems more likely Ouchi to me.

Which leaves Korv. I can see why he suspicious but the train seems to have piled rather quickly.

How long have we got left?

That was what I was saying yesterday when we were in the exact same situation. That was why I was so pissed off about. People being stupid. The best possible outcome I saw with lynching Kalse was a recruited player. Even though it was the best bet to find cult it didn't have the best possible outcome of a lynch which was finding a recruiter. Yet here people are looking to lynch me when we still have Okaros and D'riss out there as the best possibilites of being a recuiter.

Again.. if I was the Ouchi recruiter, why was I gung ho about lynching Atrahal?

[Serc]

What a mess

[Korvalain]

D, on 28 March 2012 - 03:37 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 28 March 2012 - 03:25 PM, said:

Tellan, on 28 March 2012 - 01:20 PM, said:

I'm leaning towards a Korv or Okaros vote.


I don't think Rashan is a recruiter, and that's what we really need to hit. I don't get his reveal. He might even be being honest. Having said that even if he is honest, it'd be better to hit the recruiter of the stronger faction. I don't like how Okaros (and to some extent Barg, who was getting heat a bit back, though I didn't agree with that case so much) have dropped off people's radar. Again though, if Okaros is a recruiter he seems more likely Ouchi to me.

Which leaves Korv. I can see why he suspicious but the train seems to have piled rather quickly.

How long have we got left?

That was what I was saying yesterday when we were in the exact same situation. That was why I was so pissed off about. People being stupid. The best possible outcome I saw with lynching Kalse was a recruited player. Even though it was the best bet to find cult it didn't have the best possible outcome of a lynch which was finding a recruiter. Yet here people are looking to lynch me when we still have Okaros and D'riss out there as the best possibilites of being a recuiter.

Again.. if I was the Ouchi recruiter, why was I gung ho about lynching Atrahal?

Which backs up why I still think Okaros is your recruiter and most likely you are Okaros recruit.

[D'riss]

Korvalain, on 28 March 2012 - 04:02 PM, said:

D, on 28 March 2012 - 03:37 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 28 March 2012 - 03:25 PM, said:

Tellan, on 28 March 2012 - 01:20 PM, said:

I'm leaning towards a Korv or Okaros vote.


I don't think Rashan is a recruiter, and that's what we really need to hit. I don't get his reveal. He might even be being honest. Having said that even if he is honest, it'd be better to hit the recruiter of the stronger faction. I don't like how Okaros (and to some extent Barg, who was getting heat a bit back, though I didn't agree with that case so much) have dropped off people's radar. Again though, if Okaros is a recruiter he seems more likely Ouchi to me.

Which leaves Korv. I can see why he suspicious but the train seems to have piled rather quickly.

How long have we got left?

*yawn* I find your accusations tiresome. I'm not sure how much I feel the Okaros, Barghast and Ruse case anymore now that your conspirator has been caught. When I thought you both might be inno it looked like a good case, but now all bets are off.


That was what I was saying yesterday when we were in the exact same situation. That was why I was so pissed off about. People being stupid. The best possible outcome I saw with lynching Kalse was a recruited player. Even though it was the best bet to find cult it didn't have the best possible outcome of a lynch which was finding a recruiter. Yet here people are looking to lynch me when we still have Okaros and D'riss out there as the best possibilites of being a recuiter.

Again.. if I was the Ouchi recruiter, why was I gung ho about lynching Atrahal?

Which backs up why I still think Okaros is your recruiter and most likely you are Okaros recruit.

[Korvalain]

Awful quite today. What are people afraid of? I'm the one with the head in the noose and the lever starting to be pulled?

[Korvalain]

D, on 28 March 2012 - 05:59 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 28 March 2012 - 04:02 PM, said:

D, on 28 March 2012 - 03:37 PM, said:

Korvalain, on 28 March 2012 - 03:25 PM, said:

Tellan, on 28 March 2012 - 01:20 PM, said:

I'm leaning towards a Korv or Okaros vote.


I don't think Rashan is a recruiter, and that's what we really need to hit. I don't get his reveal. He might even be being honest. Having said that even if he is honest, it'd be better to hit the recruiter of the stronger faction. I don't like how Okaros (and to some extent Barg, who was getting heat a bit back, though I didn't agree with that case so much) have dropped off people's radar. Again though, if Okaros is a recruiter he seems more likely Ouchi to me.

Which leaves Korv. I can see why he suspicious but the train seems to have piled rather quickly.

How long have we got left?

*yawn* I find your accusations tiresome. I'm not sure how much I feel the Okaros, Barghast and Ruse case anymore now that your conspirator has been caught. When I thought you both might be inno it looked like a good case, but now all bets are off.


That was what I was saying yesterday when we were in the exact same situation. That was why I was so pissed off about. People being stupid. The best possible outcome I saw with lynching Kalse was a recruited player. Even though it was the best bet to find cult it didn't have the best possible outcome of a lynch which was finding a recruiter. Yet here people are looking to lynch me when we still have Okaros and D'riss out there as the best possibilites of being a recuiter.

Again.. if I was the Ouchi recruiter, why was I gung ho about lynching Atrahal?

Which backs up why I still think Okaros is your recruiter and most likely you are Okaros recruit.

Were you going to comment on this or did you just want to repeat what I've said? I'm beginning to waver in my belief that Okaros is the recruiter. I realize that I know next to jack about who is on who's team but right now you look to have a nice group of followers. How many are your recruits? Are all of them?

[Okaros]

You're beginning to sound rather desperate. Lashing out, wild accusations, "How many are your recruits?All of them?" Really? So anyone on your train must be cult? We've seen this argument all game and it's bullshit.

Let me get this straight. You see nothing suspicious in the timing of Rashan's reveal at all? He has obviously revealed to protect his recruiter. The only thing that had changed was that we found a new cult, and had started looking for connections. You are so easily connected to Kalse; the weird voting patterns, the similarity of cases (yours was posted 4 hours after Kalse's, ample time for you to make it line up with his), your resistance to his lynch and your reaction after. Ergo, Rashan is trying to deflect from you, and if he is then either he or you are the recruiter. If you don't turn up recruiter tonight I expect we will lynch him tomorrow, and go from there.

You're suggesting we should either go for Rashan or D'riss. But haven't you been saying all game that we need to focus on going for the recruiter? Rashan's reveal is something a ecruiter would never, ever do. Ever. And there has been very little indication all game that D'riss is a recruiter. So we are expected to take Rashan's word that D'riss is the recruiter and blindly trust him, potentially losing another day by following a self-professed bribed member?

Yeah, we still have hours to go. And if needed I will remove my vote if you end up on L-1, because this discussion is good. But I still think you are our best chance to hit a recruiter today.

[Barghast]

I didin't sleep well (or much) last night, so I was taking an after-class nap.
I"m not sure waht to make of the reveal, but one thing is pretty certain: it's likely D-day. Also, Ikki is the more populous cult, so they are probably closer to winning.



people who are trying to find Ouchi at this point are suspect, since we need to lynch Ikki for the game to continue, no?

[Serc]

I'm not too keen on voting for Korv, because I feel that it's being led/orchestrated by cult.