[Barghast]

Ruse, on 22 March 2012 - 04:44 PM, said:

Barghast, on 22 March 2012 - 03:20 PM, said:

Ruse, on 22 March 2012 - 08:19 AM, said:

A scum CF?

excellent!!

I never pegged atrahal as scum...he was receiving way to much attention from all over to have been recruited surely?

this post stinks.
recruiting a top poster is a very good cult move--for the very obvious reason that they'll stir up all kinds of shit, and their eventual lynch will leave a WIFOM storm.

i'm not buying the "super wide-eyed innocent" act you've got going here



vote Ruse

you are trying too hard.

okaaay then....so you are saying that recruiter would WANT to recruit someone that is receiving allot of attention and votes then?

if they are shit votes, why the hell not?

besides, it's not like Atrahal couldn't defend himself. Or the lynch on him was anything other then "oh, shit, we're out of time, AGAIN. let's lynch someone!"

as for attention.... attention is good, makes him a perfect little symp.

stop looking for scum, boyo. this here's a cult game. cult can afford to sacrifice non-roled symps, if it gives them time to recruit two or three more while we chase our tails after getting one particualrly loud symp.



also, I have to say, if you didn't start yelling out of the blue "well, Atrahal certainly couldn't have been symping me, no sirree, nuh-uh, no way", i'd never have even copnsidered you as his master.

as is though..... it's irritating the fuck out of me right now.

[Barghast]

Vengy is dead, D'rek is dead.

so ronery.........

[Kalse]

Ok, I am back. Awesome that we got a recruit. Now we have a ton to go on, especially considering they way the train went down yesterday. It really helps eliminate a bunch of people as possible recruiters for Atrahal. Lets look at what happened.


This is 2 hours left in the day and people were starting to get fidgety about getting a lynch. At this point 2 votes on Atrahal, from 2 people that have been anti atrahal for a while. I think we can safely take Rashan and Omtose off the possible leader of Atrahal list.

Also, the fact that Atrahal is looking to get a train started, and start it on Tellan, is telling. Khell is cagey, so we can't completely take Tellen off the list. But as it's coming down to lynch time, this would be a risky move. I lean towards Tellen not being Atrahals recruiter.

Path-Shaper, on 21 March 2012 - 10:21 PM, said:

It is Day 4

2 hours and 11 minutes left in the day.

16 players are left alive:
Atrahal, Barghast, D'riss, Gamelon, Kalse, Korvalain, Mockra, Okaros, Olar Ethil,Omtose, Rashan, Ruse Serc, Silanah, Tellan, Tennes


9 votes to lynch, 8 to go to night.

1 vote Mockra: Okaros
2 votes Atrahal: Rashan, Omtose
1 vote D'riss: Ruse
1 vote Gamelon: Kalse
1 vote Tennes: Barghast
2 votes Tellan: D'riss, Atrahal


Players not voting: Gamelon, Korvalain, Mockra, Olar Ethil,Omtose, Serc, Silanah, Tellan, Tennes

Now, starting with Okaros, it seems like an Omtose lynch is going to pick up speed and happen with these votes.

Okaros, on 21 March 2012 - 10:38 PM, said:

I could go for an Omtose lynch. I don't feel like he adequately explained his comment about how many scum there are. Also, I an always suspicious of those who come on only to answer cases against them, without commenting on what else is going on.

I'll be around until time out to change if necessary, but for now

remove vote

vote Omtose

EDIT: to make the bold work.

Ruse, on 21 March 2012 - 10:48 PM, said:

You know what...


remove vote
Vote omtose


guy seems a bit wishy washy.
His OTT reactions last night...and his general play all fit in as possible cult trying too hard to seem normal.
Plus the way he drifts in and out of the game with his strange comments.



good night...i have to get up in like 4 hours.

So now Atrahal, after seeing these 2 back to back votes, is all for an Omtose Lynch. I think this definately takes Omtose out of the running as Atrahals recruiter. This also could point to Okaros or Ruse being Atrahals recruiter. (not conclusive, but something to note)

Atrahal, on 21 March 2012 - 10:49 PM, said:

Let's do it then.


Remove Vote

Vote Omtose


Oh Okaros, you need to bold your vote.

The Omtose lynch looks to really be gaining steam...

Tennes, on 21 March 2012 - 10:51 PM, said:

I also just thought that if Serc vigged Venge then why are we looking at Venge's posts to find out who would have killed him?

Vote Omtose

and another....

Olar Ethil, on 21 March 2012 - 11:02 PM, said:

Omtose, on 21 March 2012 - 10:54 PM, said:

Oh and before I'm lynched and can't post any more. The lot of you fucktards can go fuck your selves....aaaah. I'm feeling better already.

Well that's just mean.

Rashan, on 21 March 2012 - 10:56 PM, said:

Omtose is not going to come up scum ><

Is this going to be another GUYZ TELLAN IS TOTALLY SCUM AND OMTOSE IS INNO, YOU ARE ALL FUCKIN STUPID, LISTEN TO MY WISDOM I'VE NEVER BEFORE BEEN WRO-

Oh.

I get it of you don't feel it and you don't like the case but you are really irritating with these comments considering the whole emur thing where you were so sure. You've admitted to being suspicious of everyone so comments like this are just bizarre, now you know something for sure? If not then this is just so you can say 'see, I told you so' if he comes up as inno.

Omtose could have at least given us some thoughts, whether he could quote or not, instead of just coming in, telling us we were all stupid and then buggering off only to come back and call everyone fucktards.

Vote Omtose

SO thats 5 votes on OMtose with an hr to go (approx), and the lynch looks likely. But wait, here comes Tellan with an Atrahal vote... If Tellan was Atrahals master, why wouldn't he just keep rolling with the Omtose Vote. This, combined with what I said earlier completely eliminates Tellan as a possible Atrahal leader.

Tellan, on 21 March 2012 - 11:02 PM, said:

I'm around. Don't really like the whole "vote Tellan and maybe he'll show up to defend himself" stuff. Anyone who's accused defends themselves, just seems like setting up to go "Haha, told you so" on something that's inevitable.

@barg, when I didn't like Serc, it was because he seemed like he was coasting. Pretty sure I explained it at the time, can't remember what you questioned me about it.

Vote Atrahal

I've thought he seemed scummy for quite a while, and certainly more so than Omtose (who I've not a great read on, but strikes me as more bored town than scum), who people again seem to be suddenly piling onto, which makes me further distrust the lynch.

Same thing for Mockra, if he was Atrahals leader he would have jumped on Omtose.. with this vote he is effectively stopping the momentum from a Omtose train and moving it to atrahal.

Mockra, on 21 March 2012 - 11:21 PM, said:

Back on briefly before I head to work.

I don't find Omtose to be all that scummy really and I don't think he's going to be cult. I dislike how its suddenly grown so quickly.

For me the scummiest person left is Atrahal. I dislike how he's played all game, and I don't like how he's constantly grouping people and saying one of these is sure to be scum or whatever. In a cult game that always worries me that he's trying to provide lists of people who aren't in the cult for the others. Especailly when it seems rather artbitary like "Oh the first 4 or 5 posters below Silanah"

I don't like how Olar Ethil has seemed to defend him quite subtly on a regular basis, I can think of 4 occasons at least where that has happened. The Mockra case he made on me day 2, a couple posts where he always finds Atrahal not scummy, and then the train switch where atrahal is blamed for starting the switch.

I'm not sure if we are going to get any other votes on anyone else at this point and people have said they'd switch so.

Vote Atrahal

I'd possibly switch to Tellan but him I am less sure on. If Silanah had done a find why not make a case?

So here is where we stand with 45 minutes left in the day... We can eliminate at least 4 people as possible Atrahal leaders.

Path-Shaper, on 21 March 2012 - 11:52 PM, said:

It is Day 4

48 minutes left in the day.

16 players are left alive:
Atrahal, Barghast, D'riss, Gamelon, Kalse, Korvalain, Mockra, Okaros, Olar Ethil,Omtose, Rashan, Ruse Serc, Silanah, Tellan, Tennes


9 votes to lynch, 8 to go to night.

4 votes Atrahal: Rashan, Omtose, Tellan, Mockra
1 vote D'riss: Ruse
1 vote Gamelon: Kalse
1 vote Tennes: Barghast
2 votes Tellan: D'riss, Silanah
5 votes Omtose: Okaros, Ruse, Atrahal, Tennes, Olar Ethil


Players not voting: Gamelon, Korvalain, Serc,

More incoming....

[Kalse]

Ok, Serc then ties it up with an Atrahal vote. We know Serc isn't a leader because he vigged Vengy ( and thanks for that! )

Serc, on 21 March 2012 - 11:57 PM, said:

Vote Atrahal

Now, If D'riss was Atrahals leader, he could see the tide turning.. but at this point its still vary close. an Omtose vote here could easily switch the momentum back with several people stating they would be wiling to switch to omtose. This, as well as his earlier play, make me tentitively take D'riss off the recruiter list ( for Atrahal)

D, on 21 March 2012 - 11:59 PM, said:

Remove vote
Vote Atrahal

I want ed to throw this quote in here because I found its timing odd. He is somewhat defending Atrahal, saying he would be "willing" to vote Atrahal, but finds Omtose and even Rashan more scummy. This has the scent of subtle defending. (underlined mine. I also find people that preface a thought with the term "honestly" tend to not be very honest. But thats just personal observation over many mafia games.

Olar Ethil, on 22 March 2012 - 12:07 AM, said:

Mockra, on 21 March 2012 - 11:21 PM, said:

Back on briefly before I head to work.

I don't find Omtose to be all that scummy really and I don't think he's going to be cult. I dislike how its suddenly grown so quickly.

For me the scummiest person left is Atrahal. I dislike how he's played all game, and I don't like how he's constantly grouping people and saying one of these is sure to be scum or whatever. In a cult game that always worries me that he's trying to provide lists of people who aren't in the cult for the others. Especailly when it seems rather artbitary like "Oh the first 4 or 5 posters below Silanah"

I don't like how Olar Ethil has seemed to defend him quite subtly on a regular basis, I can think of 4 occasons at least where that has happened. The Mockra case he made on me day 2, a couple posts where he always finds Atrahal not scummy, and then the train switch where atrahal is blamed for starting the switch.

I'm not sure if we are going to get any other votes on anyone else at this point and people have said they'd switch so.

Vote Atrahal

I'd possibly switch to Tellan but him I am less sure on. If Silanah had done a find why not make a case?

I've set my suspicions out about Omtose since the start of the day, I didn't vote though because I was hoping to hear a bit more from him before casting my vote but he didn't bother saying much about my main accusation about the recruiting comments and how he seemed so sure about the numbers he gave. He's not done anything except answer the other concerns pointed his way and dropped a gut vote.

I have no problem voting Atrahal, in all honesty he does seem to be leading the thread but I find him a lot less scummy than Rashan who was spamming just as bad. The two seem linked to each other on occasion and then seem to be set against each other in the next minute but out of the two I feel more confident over Rashan turning up scum. You could just as easily say I defend D'riss by the way, a case Atrahal is often pushing, because I've not got what the major suspicion was there.

Gamelon then comes on, votes Atrahal. This could definately be a distancing vote. (I might be biased in this because I was suspicious of him yesterday). But more likely, Gamelon comes out of nowhere. If he was Atrahals leader, he could have just not showed up and missed voting, or if the train swung back to Omtose popped on and voted Omtose.

Gamelon, on 22 March 2012 - 12:16 AM, said:

Goddamnit finally caught up. I'm fairly sold on both lynches, but with 15 minutes to go I'm going to

Vote Atrahal

He's been all over the place, especially today. Although today it comes across as somewhat frantic

This is Atrahals response. Based on this, as well as the fact that a distancing is the least likely option for a leader to have with a sub at this point I reluctantly concede that gamelon is not likely Atrahals leader.

Atrahal, on 22 March 2012 - 12:18 AM, said:

I reluctantly concede that gamelon is not likely Atrahals leader.

Gamelon, on 22 March 2012 - 12:16 AM, said:

Goddamnit finally caught up. I'm fairly sold on both lynches, but with 15 minutes to go I'm going to

Vote Atrahal

He's been all over the place, especially today. Although today it comes across as somewhat frantic

Who the fuck are you? Oh right, someone who hasn't contributed anything the entire game. You should be in my place, useless retard.

Finally, the last relevant vote. This could Definately be a distancing vote, it's the perfect spot for it, I can't eliminate Okaros from the recruiter list based on this vote. Still, based on what I said above regarding Gamelon, I find it unlikely, but more possible than it was with gamelon.

Okaros, on 22 March 2012 - 12:19 AM, said:

Atrahal, on 22 March 2012 - 12:08 AM, said:

Some have said that the Omtose voting was sudden, but equally sudden was the brakes that have been put on that particular lynch.

Indeed. You're right about Silanah too, but I guess if someone is unlynchable then it doesn't give them much motivation to be around. Unless you're Khell and like to fuck with people for shits and giggles

Sorry, I don't particularly want to lynch you but it looks like that is the way it is going. Better any lynch than no lynch.

Remove vote

Vote Atrahal.

Last but not least, Silanah. Clearly not the recruiter.

Silanah, on 22 March 2012 - 12:22 AM, said:

Remove Vote
Vote Atrahal.


Sorry dude, I really havent done as much as I expected or wanted to do.

Also to note, Olar was around, and remember was "willing" to switch votes but was conveniently not around/not necessary. He is looking, to me, like someone interested in whats going on, but not so interested in an Atrahal Lynch. Notice he also associates this lynch with the Emur lynch which was an inno lynch. This, to me, is a subtle way of making us doubt our decison.

Olar Ethil, on 22 March 2012 - 12:23 AM, said:

I'm here for another ten minutes or so then I must go to bed, I'll switch if necessary before I depart but this feels eerily familiar to the Emur lynch.

One more post incoming.

[Rashan]

Barghast, on 22 March 2012 - 03:20 PM, said:

Ruse, on 22 March 2012 - 08:19 AM, said:

A scum CF?

excellent!!

I never pegged atrahal as scum...he was receiving way to much attention from all over to have been recruited surely?

this post stinks.
recruiting a top poster is a very good cult move--for the very obvious reason that they'll stir up all kinds of shit, and their eventual lynch will leave a WIFOM storm.

i'm not buying the "super wide-eyed innocent" act you've got going here



vote Ruse

you are trying too hard.

Agreed. Ruse has been confusing me, I just can't tell if that's my fault or his bad acting.

[Kalse]

Path-Shaper, on 22 March 2012 - 01:27 PM, said:

It is Day 5.

There are 21 hours and 45 minutes remaining.

15 players are left alive:
Barghast, D'riss, Gamelon, Kalse, Korvalain, Mockra, Okaros, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Silanah, Tellan, Tennes

So here are our remaining player lists, I have crossed out those that I have eliminated. I eliminated myself because I know I am not his leader. Feel free to do your own research on me, as Tennes has done. So who do we have left.

Barghast
Korv
Okaros
Olar Ethil
Ruse
Tennes


In my opinion, one of them is Atrahals recruiter. I don't have a real good read on any of these players, but the way that Olar was subtly defending Atrahal during the lynch yesterday, as well as comparing it to the Emur lynch to make doubt, as well as failing to be on the lynch train, makes him my number one suspect.

Vote Olar Ethil

Regarding the rest, my opinions are:

Barghast- I don't get a leader vibe. I can't recall him being early on many trains. I am 50/50 with no real read.
Korvalain- He stated he was out before the whole fiasco with Atrahal started. Hard to get a read one way or another, though I find it hard to believe a leader would jump ship and not leave a vote so as to somewhat direct his recruits. I am leaning towards no in regards to him being Atrahal's lead.
Okaros- Hard telling. I was suspicious of him on day 2 or 3. He was getting more agggressive, but his position on the Atrahal train, makes me doubt. Good distancing vote if he is the leader though it would be a ballsy move.
Ruse- He is the same as Barghast to me, though the 2 of them have been bumping heads, that doesn't mean much. I get more a recruit vibe. BUT Barghast made a good post referencing his reaction to the lynch results. It had the smack of a leader who was trying to play sly, and got caught. I could be down for a Ruse vote. Also, the fact that he was early on the Omtose train ( and it picked up steam after his vote is damning.) he is #2 for me after Olar.
Tennes- The way he came straight out and came after me got my hairs up, but thats probably more defensive than anything. The case is decent. Me knowing it's wrong, is frustratiing, but I can see where it's coming from. Even though it's bogus, the effort put into it is not something scum normally do. He is down there with Korv and Okaros on this small list of possible leaders.


Tennes case on me isn't bad, but relies almost entirely on Atrahals actions and not mine. So there isn't much to defend against. I would refute that he and I had no interactions. I can think of at least 2 times that we interacted including yesterday. Also, if I am a leader, I am doing a shitty job. I was the lone person on the gamelon train, if I had at least 3 recruits by now, you'd think that at least 1-2 of my supposed recruits would have been supportive of my Gamelon lynch. No one was other than a few non commital somewhat agreements. If Tennes case is to be believed, all of my recruits would have not gone after my "safe" lynch of gamelon, and instead gone after a complete unknown, and possibly hit their own teammate. It just doesn't make sense.

[Rashan]

Tennes, on 22 March 2012 - 04:27 PM, said:

I've got quite a lot of stuff to write and i'm unsure if i'll get it all done with in the next few hours. So I give you this post. Atrahal is defending his arse off. Mockra has votes. Kalse removes from Mockra which looks to have stalled and tries to provide a new option in Gamelon. Now Atrahal is agreeable with Kalse, not for the first time he says. Asks him to post more. (Looking for direction from his master?)

Kalse is his master. I have a shit load of notes that point to this. Maybe. No interaction since day one. All his lists and accusations exclude Kalse. Look at posts #1021, #1031, #815 (kalse saying rashan isn't scummy), #931 another list, #936 another one. Not one mentioning Kalse.



Vote Kalse

But I agree with Atrahal. Kalse does make good posts, and I wish he would post more. I haven't looked back at the posts you've listed yet, but I disagree with that part, at least.

[Barghast]

i've got no real read on OE.

atm, I prefer Ruse for his post-lynch remarks.

[Barghast]

k, I was trying to re-reacd the entire theread in antoher tab, whilst waiting for Kalse to finsh up hs case, but now i'm outta time.
however, since I switched my work shift for the one I had on Monday, i'll have the entire evening to play, unless something comes up.

right now though, i'm out for a the next 2 hours.

[Kalse]

Barghast, on 22 March 2012 - 06:46 PM, said:

i've got no real read on OE.

atm, I prefer Ruse for his post-lynch remarks.

As I said in my last post. I would be fine with a Ruse Lynch. He is #2 on my suspect list. I prefer OE based upon my case, but if it comes down too it, I can go Ruse with little hesitation.

[Rashan]

Haha! Awesomely timed epic Kalse post. I'm going to break down this part so I can comment on it easier.

Kalse, on 22 March 2012 - 06:40 PM, said:

So here are our remaining player lists, I have crossed out those that I have eliminated. I eliminated myself because I know I am not his leader. Feel free to do your own research on me, as Tennes has done. So who do we have left.

Barghast
Korv
Okaros
Olar Ethil
Ruse
Tennes


In my opinion, one of them is Atrahals recruiter. I don't have a real good read on any of these players, but the way that Olar was subtly defending Atrahal during the lynch yesterday, as well as comparing it to the Emur lynch to make doubt, as well as failing to be on the lynch train, makes him my number one suspect.

I agree, OE has been pinging me as scummy much of the game, but to a FAR lesser extent than some other people, including those I've been wrong about.

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Vote Olar Ethil

Regarding the rest, my opinions are:

Barghast- I don't get a leader vibe. I can't recall him being early on many trains. I am 50/50 with no real read.

He is the 2nd highest poster in the game and you have no real read on him? That should be a problem there. On top of that, I've liked him this whole game. Bad sign, imo.

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Korvalain- He stated he was out before the whole fiasco with Atrahal started. Hard to get a read one way or another, though I find it hard to believe a leader would jump ship and not leave a vote so as to somewhat direct his recruits. I am leaning towards no in regards to him being Atrahal's lead.

Agreed with you here.

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Okaros- Hard telling. I was suspicious of him on day 2 or 3. He was getting more agggressive, but his position on the Atrahal train, makes me doubt. Good distancing vote if he is the leader though it would be a ballsy move.

I have very strong feelings of scuminess from Okaros. I sent a PM to PS, something along the lines of "I am completely 100% sure Okaros is scum" or something. I'm 50/50 on those types of feelings right now.

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Ruse- He is the same as Barghast to me, though the 2 of them have been bumping heads, that doesn't mean much. I get more a recruit vibe. BUT Barghast made a good post referencing his reaction to the lynch results. It had the smack of a leader who was trying to play sly, and got caught. I could be down for a Ruse vote. Also, the fact that he was early on the Omtose train ( and it picked up steam after his vote is damning.) he is #2 for me after Olar.

As mentioned earlier, Ruse is giving me bad feelings in my special place. He probably has my vote right now.

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Tennes- The way he came straight out and came after me got my hairs up, but thats probably more defensive than anything. The case is decent. Me knowing it's wrong, is frustratiing, but I can see where it's coming from. Even though it's bogus, the effort put into it is not something scum normally do. He is down there with Korv and Okaros on this small list of possible leaders.

This is a bullshit part, and makes me angry. (Underlined). The idea that scum don't put effort into making cases is ridiculous. That said, I can't figure out why I have him down as scum with Gamelon as symp (or was it the other way around?). I'll probably remember when I reread.

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Tennes case on me isn't bad, but relies almost entirely on Atrahals actions and not mine. So there isn't much to defend against. I would refute that he and I had no interactions. I can think of at least 2 times that we interacted including yesterday. Also, if I am a leader, I am doing a shitty job. I was the lone person on the gamelon train, if I had at least 3 recruits by now, you'd think that at least 1-2 of my supposed recruits would have been supportive of my Gamelon lynch. No one was other than a few non commital somewhat agreements. If Tennes case is to be believed, all of my recruits would have not gone after my "safe" lynch of gamelon, and instead gone after a complete unknown, and possibly hit their own teammate. It just doesn't make sense.

"If I am a [blank], I'm doing a shitty job".

Classic. Seen this a lot lately.

I'm going to

Vote Ruse

For now, and see if anything else arises.

[Ruse]

Barghast, on 22 March 2012 - 05:10 PM, said:

Ruse, on 22 March 2012 - 04:44 PM, said:

Barghast, on 22 March 2012 - 03:20 PM, said:

Ruse, on 22 March 2012 - 08:19 AM, said:

A scum CF?

excellent!!

I never pegged atrahal as scum...he was receiving way to much attention from all over to have been recruited surely?

this post stinks.
recruiting a top poster is a very good cult move--for the very obvious reason that they'll stir up all kinds of shit, and their eventual lynch will leave a WIFOM storm.

i'm not buying the "super wide-eyed innocent" act you've got going here



vote Ruse

you are trying too hard.

okaaay then....so you are saying that recruiter would WANT to recruit someone that is receiving allot of attention and votes then?

if they are shit votes, why the hell not?

besides, it's not like Atrahal couldn't defend himself. Or the lynch on him was anything other then "oh, shit, we're out of time, AGAIN. let's lynch someone!"

as for attention.... attention is good, makes him a perfect little symp.

stop looking for scum, boyo. this here's a cult game. cult can afford to sacrifice non-roled symps, if it gives them time to recruit two or three more while we chase our tails after getting one particualrly loud symp.

ive never heard more bullshit in my entire life.

"stop looking for scum, boyo"???

....seriously?...seriously?
do you know how a cult game even works? have you ever been cult?
Do you understand that this is not a normal cult game dumb ass!!...there are multiple cults.
Each cult would need their numbers...what the fuck would they be fart arsing around sacrificing stupid symp players for and giving the other cults a chance to pull away?

PLUS...with more than one cult i am willing to bet my left nut that they cant recruit every night.
this would be a fucking short game if 2-3 cults are recruiting every night.



give me a fucking break, kid.

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also, I have to say, if you didn't start yelling out of the blue "well, Atrahal certainly couldn't have been symping me, no sirree, nuh-uh, no way", i'd never have even copnsidered you as his master.

as is though..... it's irritating the fuck out of me right now.

does anyfuckingbody READ THIS THREAD!
Didnt i JUST answer this question?
i didnt yell "out of the blue" dick head!

TENNES brought his POETRY nonsense up AGAIN!!.... FOR THE SECOND AND LAST TIME TODAY I WILL SAY THIS...i was RESPONDING to tennes' bringing up the POETRY that HE has been giving me a rim job about SINCE DAY FUCKING ONE!

so do me a fucking favour...
EITHER GO SIT ON A COCK!.. OR READ THE THREAD PROPPERLY!

YOUR CHOICE!!

[D'riss]

I'm in between meetings but have been reviewing posts. These are just some high level thoughts, I haven't made a decision yet. I think Kalse's case on Olar Ethil is interesting, need to reread OE. I haven't thought too much about OE till now, which could be good playing as scum. Ruse sounds too scummy to be a leader, so I think he's trying to protect someone, need to look at his interactions. I still wonder about Tellan, he seems scummy, and Sil felt pretty certain about him. His position on the lynch train is actually pretty smart. That would be a good way to distance yourself from a recruit.

[Ruse]

just fucking lynch me and be done with it.

im so pissed off... im fucking outa here.

enjoy another inno CF. idiots

[Rashan]

That first post made me not want to lynch Ruse. The 2nd reversed that. My vote will stay where it is until I reread, at least.

[Barghast]

Quick phone chec;

Ruse, on 22 March 2012 - 07:09 PM, said:

Barghast, on 22 March 2012 - 05:10 PM, said:

Ruse, on 22 March 2012 - 04:44 PM, said:

Barghast, on 22 March 2012 - 03:20 PM, said:

Ruse, on 22 March 2012 - 08:19 AM, said:

A scum CF?

excellent!!

I never pegged atrahal as scum...he was receiving way to much attention from all over to have been recruited surely?

this post stinks.
recruiting a top poster is a very good cult move--for the very obvious reason that they'll stir up all kinds of shit, and their eventual lynch will leave a WIFOM storm.

i'm not buying the "super wide-eyed innocent" act you've got going here



vote Ruse

you are trying too hard.

okaaay then....so you are saying that recruiter would WANT to recruit someone that is receiving allot of attention and votes then?

if they are shit votes, why the hell not?

besides, it's not like Atrahal couldn't defend himself. Or the lynch on him was anything other then "oh, shit, we're out of time, AGAIN. let's lynch someone!"

as for attention.... attention is good, makes him a perfect little symp.

stop looking for scum, boyo. this here's a cult game. cult can afford to sacrifice non-roled symps, if it gives them time to recruit two or three more while we chase our tails after getting one particualrly loud symp.

ive never heard more bullshit in my entire life.

"stop looking for scum, boyo"???

....seriously?...seriously?
do you know how a cult game even works? have you ever been cult?
Do you understand that this is not a normal cult game dumb ass!!...there are multiple cults.
Each cult would need their numbers...what the fuck would they be fart arsing around sacrificing stupid symp players for and giving the other cults a chance to pull away?

PLUS...with more than one cult i am willing to bet my left nut that they cant recruit every night.
this would be a fucking short game if 2-3 cults are recruiting every night.



give me a fucking break, kid.

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also, I have to say, if you didn't start yelling out of the blue "well, Atrahal certainly couldn't have been symping me, no sirree, nuh-uh, no way", i'd never have even copnsidered you as his master.

as is though..... it's irritating the fuck out of me right now.

does anyfuckingbody READ THIS THREAD!
Didnt i JUST answer this question?
i didnt yell "out of the blue" dick head!

TENNES brought his POETRY nonsense up AGAIN!!.... FOR THE SECOND AND LAST TIME TODAY I WILL SAY THIS...i was RESPONDING to tennes' bringing up the POETRY that HE has been giving me a rim job about SINCE DAY FUCKING ONE!

so do me a fucking favour...
EITHER GO SIT ON A COCK!.. OR READ THE THREAD PROPPERLY!

YOUR CHOICE!!

if real rant --7.5/10
if fake, ill give it an 8/10.

Ruse, on 22 March 2012 - 07:13 PM, said:

just fucking lynch me and be done with it.

im so pissed off... im fucking outa here.

enjoy another inno CF. idiots

if this is enough to rile you up this much, genuinely, this may not be the game you are looking for.

More later, once i get over the urge to burst out laughing mid-lecture

[Serc]

I noticed the a connection between Ruse & Atrahal with the lynch trains when switches occurred. I feel pretty good about voting for him.

[Olar Ethil]

I was expecting to come back to find more votes on me frankly, I'm surprised there only appears to be one but it is early days I suppose. Yeah, it looks suspicious, not sure what exactly I can say though. I really thought based on thread evidence and the way he was playing Omtose was more likely to be scum, I'm not ridiculously shocked that Atrahal was a recruit, I would have been if he had turned up as recruiter but well, I suppose it makes sense and his play the last day or so has been erratic. I could have switched but I was waiting for a few minutes more, but someone else hammered and I wasn't needed, meh.

I really need to go back and look over possible connections, seen a few names mentioned on thread as possible but without having had a look myself it lacks context, or maybe a lot of it being from earlier on it is slipping my mind.

One thing to keep in mind though, we don't know how the recruiting mechanic works and we don't know whether people were recruited from night one, or if someone was picked out at the start of the game by the recruiters, so i'd rather not totally discount the possibility that he was a recruit from day 1, though it seems improbable.

[D'riss]

Rashan, on 22 March 2012 - 06:58 PM, said:

Haha! Awesomely timed epic Kalse post. I'm going to break down this part so I can comment on it easier.

Kalse, on 22 March 2012 - 06:40 PM, said:

So here are our remaining player lists, I have crossed out those that I have eliminated. I eliminated myself because I know I am not his leader. Feel free to do your own research on me, as Tennes has done. So who do we have left.

Barghast
Korv
Okaros
Olar Ethil
Ruse
Tennes


In my opinion, one of them is Atrahals recruiter. I don't have a real good read on any of these players, but the way that Olar was subtly defending Atrahal during the lynch yesterday, as well as comparing it to the Emur lynch to make doubt, as well as failing to be on the lynch train, makes him my number one suspect.

I agree, OE has been pinging me as scummy much of the game, but to a FAR lesser extent than some other people, including those I've been wrong about.

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Vote Olar Ethil

Regarding the rest, my opinions are:

Barghast- I don't get a leader vibe. I can't recall him being early on many trains. I am 50/50 with no real read.

He is the 2nd highest poster in the game and you have no real read on him? That should be a problem there. On top of that, I've liked him this whole game. Bad sign, imo.

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Korvalain- He stated he was out before the whole fiasco with Atrahal started. Hard to get a read one way or another, though I find it hard to believe a leader would jump ship and not leave a vote so as to somewhat direct his recruits. I am leaning towards no in regards to him being Atrahal's lead.

Agreed with you here.

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Okaros- Hard telling. I was suspicious of him on day 2 or 3. He was getting more agggressive, but his position on the Atrahal train, makes me doubt. Good distancing vote if he is the leader though it would be a ballsy move.

I have very strong feelings of scuminess from Okaros. I sent a PM to PS, something along the lines of "I am completely 100% sure Okaros is scum" or something. I'm 50/50 on those types of feelings right now.

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Ruse- He is the same as Barghast to me, though the 2 of them have been bumping heads, that doesn't mean much. I get more a recruit vibe. BUT Barghast made a good post referencing his reaction to the lynch results. It had the smack of a leader who was trying to play sly, and got caught. I could be down for a Ruse vote. Also, the fact that he was early on the Omtose train ( and it picked up steam after his vote is damning.) he is #2 for me after Olar.

As mentioned earlier, Ruse is giving me bad feelings in my special place. He probably has my vote right now.

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Tennes- The way he came straight out and came after me got my hairs up, but thats probably more defensive than anything. The case is decent. Me knowing it's wrong, is frustratiing, but I can see where it's coming from. Even though it's bogus, the effort put into it is not something scum normally do. He is down there with Korv and Okaros on this small list of possible leaders.

This is a bullshit part, and makes me angry. (Underlined). The idea that scum don't put effort into making cases is ridiculous. That said, I can't figure out why I have him down as scum with Gamelon as symp (or was it the other way around?). I'll probably remember when I reread.

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Tennes case on me isn't bad, but relies almost entirely on Atrahals actions and not mine. So there isn't much to defend against. I would refute that he and I had no interactions. I can think of at least 2 times that we interacted including yesterday. Also, if I am a leader, I am doing a shitty job. I was the lone person on the gamelon train, if I had at least 3 recruits by now, you'd think that at least 1-2 of my supposed recruits would have been supportive of my Gamelon lynch. No one was other than a few non commital somewhat agreements. If Tennes case is to be believed, all of my recruits would have not gone after my "safe" lynch of gamelon, and instead gone after a complete unknown, and possibly hit their own teammate. It just doesn't make sense.

"If I am a [blank], I'm doing a shitty job".

Classic. Seen this a lot lately.

I'm going to

Vote Ruse

For now, and see if anything else arises.

Until last night, you were hot and heavy for a Tellan lynch. I'm curious about what changed there. Also, I think Kalse ruled Tellan out too quickly. Atrahal voted for Tellan a few times and then took the vote off of him. I think this looks like he was trying to distance himself from Tellan. A leader may want to be one of the early voters for one of their recruits to look like they don't have a real interest, and then could get stuck having to sacrifice that recruit. We know Sil liked Tellan for a lynch yesterday for some reason that she wouldn't say.

I keep reading Ruse's comment "I never pegged atrahal as scum...he was receiving way to much attention from all over to have been recruited surely?" and wondering whether he is that dumb, or just innocent.


Edit: Corrected grammar a little. Too busy to write a proper paragraph.

This post has been edited by D'riss: 22 March 2012 - 08:33 PM

[Barghast]

D, on 22 March 2012 - 08:28 PM, said:

Rashan, on 22 March 2012 - 06:58 PM, said:

Haha! Awesomely timed epic Kalse post. I'm going to break down this part so I can comment on it easier.

Kalse, on 22 March 2012 - 06:40 PM, said:

So here are our remaining player lists, I have crossed out those that I have eliminated. I eliminated myself because I know I am not his leader. Feel free to do your own research on me, as Tennes has done. So who do we have left.

Barghast
Korv
Okaros
Olar Ethil
Ruse
Tennes


In my opinion, one of them is Atrahals recruiter. I don't have a real good read on any of these players, but the way that Olar was subtly defending Atrahal during the lynch yesterday, as well as comparing it to the Emur lynch to make doubt, as well as failing to be on the lynch train, makes him my number one suspect.

I agree, OE has been pinging me as scummy much of the game, but to a FAR lesser extent than some other people, including those I've been wrong about.

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Vote Olar Ethil

Regarding the rest, my opinions are:

Barghast- I don't get a leader vibe. I can't recall him being early on many trains. I am 50/50 with no real read.

He is the 2nd highest poster in the game and you have no real read on him? That should be a problem there. On top of that, I've liked him this whole game. Bad sign, imo.

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Korvalain- He stated he was out before the whole fiasco with Atrahal started. Hard to get a read one way or another, though I find it hard to believe a leader would jump ship and not leave a vote so as to somewhat direct his recruits. I am leaning towards no in regards to him being Atrahal's lead.

Agreed with you here.

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Okaros- Hard telling. I was suspicious of him on day 2 or 3. He was getting more agggressive, but his position on the Atrahal train, makes me doubt. Good distancing vote if he is the leader though it would be a ballsy move.

I have very strong feelings of scuminess from Okaros. I sent a PM to PS, something along the lines of "I am completely 100% sure Okaros is scum" or something. I'm 50/50 on those types of feelings right now.

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Ruse- He is the same as Barghast to me, though the 2 of them have been bumping heads, that doesn't mean much. I get more a recruit vibe. BUT Barghast made a good post referencing his reaction to the lynch results. It had the smack of a leader who was trying to play sly, and got caught. I could be down for a Ruse vote. Also, the fact that he was early on the Omtose train ( and it picked up steam after his vote is damning.) he is #2 for me after Olar.

As mentioned earlier, Ruse is giving me bad feelings in my special place. He probably has my vote right now.

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Tennes- The way he came straight out and came after me got my hairs up, but thats probably more defensive than anything. The case is decent. Me knowing it's wrong, is frustratiing, but I can see where it's coming from. Even though it's bogus, the effort put into it is not something scum normally do. He is down there with Korv and Okaros on this small list of possible leaders.

This is a bullshit part, and makes me angry. (Underlined). The idea that scum don't put effort into making cases is ridiculous. That said, I can't figure out why I have him down as scum with Gamelon as symp (or was it the other way around?). I'll probably remember when I reread.

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Tennes case on me isn't bad, but relies almost entirely on Atrahals actions and not mine. So there isn't much to defend against. I would refute that he and I had no interactions. I can think of at least 2 times that we interacted including yesterday. Also, if I am a leader, I am doing a shitty job. I was the lone person on the gamelon train, if I had at least 3 recruits by now, you'd think that at least 1-2 of my supposed recruits would have been supportive of my Gamelon lynch. No one was other than a few non commital somewhat agreements. If Tennes case is to be believed, all of my recruits would have not gone after my "safe" lynch of gamelon, and instead gone after a complete unknown, and possibly hit their own teammate. It just doesn't make sense.

"If I am a [blank], I'm doing a shitty job".

Classic. Seen this a lot lately.

I'm going to

Vote Ruse

For now, and see if anything else arises.

Until last night, you were hot and heavy for a Tellan lynch. I'm curious about what changed there. Also, I think Kalse ruled Tellan out too quickly. Atrahal voted for Tellan a few times and then took the vote off of him. I think this looks like he was trying to distance himself from Tellan. A leader may want to be one of the early voters for one of their recruits to look like they don't have a real interest, and then could get stuck having to sacrifice that recruit. We know Sil liked Tellan for a lynch yesterday for some reason that she wouldn't say.

I keep reading Ruse's comment "I never pegged atrahal as scum...he was receiving way to much attention from all over to have been recruited surely?" and wondering whether he is that dumb, or just innocent.


Edit: Corrected grammar a little. Too busy to write a proper paragraph.

first rule of mafia: everyone else playing is an idiot.

I've let people slide too many times before.

Since i'm back home and can grin like an idiot uninhibited now, i'll comment on the RANT ™

yes, Ruse I know what a cult game with multiple cults is. I've even designed one. and yes, the fist motherfucking rule of ANY cult game is "never vote the person who fucking recruited you". meaning, any fucking symp is expendable. ESPECIALLY if you manage to point him towards who you think is the other recruiter, so that he can fakesymp him to recruiter heaven. So don't take the high and mighty tone with me.

if you honestly think that cult can't recruit every fucking night, you must be expecting this game to be longer-lasting than frigging Survivor, because if you are right, then we'd lynch 70% of town before we managed to hit an actual fucking recruiter, given our spectacular record of shittastic last minute lynches thus far.

And with regard to your terror that Tennes can pull some DAY FUCKING ONE (see, I can type in all caps, too!) crap to make a legitimate fucking connection between you and Atrahal, who was inno day 1, (and since of the SAME DAY FUCKING ONE, we all said that none of us believed STD's "cultural spoecialty affects who can recruit you theory"), if you really needed to protest THAT much, to refute such utter shit spec, then I really don't know about you,