[Tellan]

Ruse, on 22 March 2012 - 11:33 AM, said:

Tennes, on 22 March 2012 - 08:46 AM, said:

Atrahal's attention surely went away from Tellan. Silanah also thinks Tellan could be cult. I think Tellan could be a good bet. I am having a read through and taking time to adjust my thoughts, get my head together. Right now they are all jumbled up, starting with Ruse and Atrahal yesterday, Atrahal's reveal about who he was ie a poet, Ruse's poetry day one, it all comes full circle

Fully agree on the tellan bit.


but wait...did atrahal actually fake reveal poetry?
lemme check quick.

...DID TOO!, The cheaky fucker, thats a blatant setup right there..come now!!!

This is a weird reaction. If he was a recruit, he would still have his original role PM to draw from. It hardly sets you up.

[Serc]

glad we finally chose correctly

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 5.

There are 21 hours and 45 minutes remaining.

15 players are left alive:
Barghast, D'riss, Gamelon, Kalse, Korvalain, Mockra, Okaros, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Silanah, Tellan, Tennes


8 votes to lynch, 7 to go to night.

No-one has voted.

Players not voting: Barghast, D'riss, Gamelon, Kalse, Korvalain, Mockra, Okaros, Olar Ethil, Omtose, Rashan, Ruse, Serc, Silanah, Tellan, Tennes

[Rashan]

I think there to be a very small chance that Tellan is Atrahal's master cult leader dude. He could very well be in another cult, of course. Looking through my meager notes, I have Gamelon as Tennes's recruit for some reason I can't remember. I really need to get better at taking notes.

[Rashan]

Also, I'm done with my two hard exams, now I have an easy one tomorrow. Wooooh. Which means I'll most likely have time to reread the thread at some point today.

[D'riss]

Hey all, I'm stuck in meetings all day, so won't be able to post much. I'll be reviewing his connections as well. My first thought would have been Rashan, but he seemed to really want that lynch.

[Rashan]

People keep saying we were buddying up because we talk to eachother. We were just the two highest posters. As I said, he was a slippery bastard, and I was right. So suck it.

Being constructive is impossible from my phone. As mentioned earlier, I will reread later. I have a recording session tonight, so I might not have as much free time as yesterday but I should still have a few hours.

[Korvalain]

That was a crazy 24 hours for me. Had more snow fall yesterday than we have had in the last 5 years put together and I got to enjoy it without any power. The good news is that my boys got to help me make their very first snowman. Ugly as shit but hey they didn't care. Now to find out what happened while I was gone.

[Korvalain]

Quick read. So we got a scum player finally. Just wish we could have hit a recruiter instead but now at least we have some info regarding at least one cult faction.

Tried to follow Tennes recap of Atrahal's posts day one. Not sure I follow his logic but at least now we have someone to focus on to see what we can find.

[Ruse]

Tellan, on 22 March 2012 - 01:20 PM, said:

Ruse, on 22 March 2012 - 11:33 AM, said:

Tennes, on 22 March 2012 - 08:46 AM, said:

Atrahal's attention surely went away from Tellan. Silanah also thinks Tellan could be cult. I think Tellan could be a good bet. I am having a read through and taking time to adjust my thoughts, get my head together. Right now they are all jumbled up, starting with Ruse and Atrahal yesterday, Atrahal's reveal about who he was ie a poet, Ruse's poetry day one, it all comes full circle

Fully agree on the tellan bit.


but wait...did atrahal actually fake reveal poetry?
lemme check quick.

...DID TOO!, The cheaky fucker, thats a blatant setup right there..come now!!!

This is a weird reaction. If he was a recruit, he would still have his original role PM to draw from. It hardly sets you up.

tennes is the one who brought it up again and is making the connection.
But whats so weird about it if ive had to defend my "poetry" from day one every blooody day....and then of all the millions of things atrahal could have chosen to fake, just before his death stroke he claims to be into "poetry"...come on buddy...come on.

[Barghast]

Ruse, on 22 March 2012 - 08:19 AM, said:

A scum CF?

excellent!!

I never pegged atrahal as scum...he was receiving way to much attention from all over to have been recruited surely?

this post stinks.
recruiting a top poster is a very good cult move--for the very obvious reason that they'll stir up all kinds of shit, and their eventual lynch will leave a WIFOM storm.

i'm not buying the "super wide-eyed innocent" act you've got going here



vote Ruse

you are trying too hard.

[Korvalain]

Damn you Khell. Even thinking of going back and reading all your connections when you ran your mouth all game long is going to suck. Maybe I can ignore Day 1 though why Tennes thought to do the summary of your posts of Day 1..... Wait a minute. Why did Tennes focus on that Day 1 Summary. I need to find that post of his.

[Korvalain]

Tennes, on 22 March 2012 - 12:13 PM, said:

So this has taken me most of the morning so far, I went back to day one with the thought that day one Atrahal was town so I wanted to highlight his interactions, the next part would be to have a look at shift in behaviour towards anyone or if he fails to mention anyone again etc.

#Atrahals first post he makes a case against Rashan

#75 Korvalian agrees with his case.

#91 Serc agrees Rashan scummy post.

#115 Atrahal mentions calligraphy

#120 He implicates both Tellan and Barghast. More so Barghast for not only defending Rashan but moving thoughts elsewhere (To Note, where has Barghasts Calligraphy gone?).

#123 Ruse spouts poetry to Atrahal but aimed at Silanah.

#125 Atrahal does not like poetry from Ruse

#142 Atrahal looks at Korv's case on Omtose and thinks Omtose is playing the town card

#146 likes case on Kalse by Karosis

#163 Tellan dislikes Atrahal telling Rashan to "fight goddam you"

#169 Tellan quotes Atrahals Posts

#170 then he (Tellan) votes for Atrahal for, "weak cases and content faking. Combined with a defensive post.

#177 Atrahal accuses tellan of protecting Rashan

#180 Tellan says because he disagrees with Atrahal he must be scum (sarcasm)

#181 Atrahal says Tellan's case is lame

#215 Tellan quotes Atrahal case on Rashan and thinks "it's bollocks", very long post.

#217 Rashan tells tellan that he has already rebutted that case and thanks Tellan to which Tellan WAS aware of but wanted to comment anyway

#225 It gets a bit silly now, Atrahal responds to Tellan's very long post

#229 tellan responds back

#240 back again

#244 back again

#265 Olar points out connection between Atrahal and Karosis

#272 Atrahal "rainbow" post

#276 Rashan lists his suspects. Rashan, Omtose, Kalse and D'riss. (Incidentally the only one out of these he did not go after since was Kalse)

#320 Kalse says there is no cause to think Atrahal is scummy and then builds case on Karosis.



This is where we are getting to the end of the day and we needed a lynch so the discussion was mainly on karosis from here on out.



Without looking further into day 2, 3 and 4 etc I would say from these findings that:

Kalse may have recruited Atrahal night one.

Ruse' exchanges and reaction since day one are suspicious.

Now I have to look further into the rest of the days because Tellan and Atrahal hardly spat anymore and I want to see if I can find anything between Barghast and Atrahal because Barghast has changed from his calligraphy. I won't have much more time this has taken me inbetween work roughly 2 1/2 hours to do.

How can you claim anyone is a recruiter of a player from a recruited players posts from Day 1? This looks like you are strawmanning someone. Why unless you think someone might find a connection between you and Atrahal. Or to someone else that you are also trying to protect. This will help keep my searching down to a minimum.

[Tennes]

Korvalain, on 22 March 2012 - 03:37 PM, said:

How can you claim anyone is a recruiter of a player from a recruited players posts from Day 1? This looks like you are strawmanning someone. Why unless you think someone might find a connection between you and Atrahal. Or to someone else that you are also trying to protect. This will help keep my searching down to a minimum.

I know you are not a moron but i'll explain, i'm doing a read through of everything. Day one is the only day we can be certain Atrahal was town. His connections that day compared to the other days may be telling. I am in the middle of day three on my notes which will be forth coming.

[Barghast]

So, tennes, you are trying to find changes in Atrakhell's patterns of interaction post Day 1? Admirable

im in class on my phonme, case making will have to wait (multiquotes is a bitch from phone)

[Barghast]

Oh, anbd since you asked where my calligraphy went: it was Day 1 RP, i stopped when thigs got srs. I even said so in one of my posts.

[Tennes]

Atrahal, on 21 March 2012 - 06:28 PM, said:

Kalse, on 21 March 2012 - 05:59 PM, said:

Tellan, on 21 March 2012 - 05:17 PM, said:

For how much you two give an impression of being at odds, you do seem to end up next to each other on the same train an awful lot. Only time it doesn't happen is with Lio (who was pretty much a certain lynch anyhow).

11 votes Karosis: D'riss, Okaros, Kalse, Barghast, Emurlahn, Silanah, Tennes, Olar Ethil, Korvalain, Atrahal, Rashan
10 votes Emurlahn: Rashan, Atrahal, Ruse, Silanah, Omtose, Barghast, D'riss, Gamelon, Olar Ethil, Liosan


And now you're voting next to each other again.

Odd occurrence, thought it was worth pointing out.

Edit: heh, crosspost with Rashan.

I feel there is something to be learned from the Emur Train. I know that Lio came back as town, but there had to be a driving factor behind that switch. That was day 2, so, even if there was a 1 night= 1 recruit mechanic in play, each leader would only have 1 recruit at most. I'm not sure how many leaders there are though. I guess my point is, that it is easy for a recruit to follow his leader, I wouldn't be surprised if 1 or more leaders is on the first 75% of that Emur train. This means: Rashan, Atrahal, Ruse, Omtose, Barghy, D'riss, Gamelon. (I took out silanah obviously) Of those people, several have come under suspicion, and yet the biggest vote getter is.... Mockra. (Yes, I know I am on the mockra train).

Off the top of my head, in catching up, people brought up as potential scum that are on this list, and who yet have 0 or 1 vote on them are..pretty much everyone but Ruse and Barghast. I don't think I remember them having been brought up as potential scum. This narrows my list to Rashan, Atrahal, Omtose D'riss and Gamelon. As I said before, I don't believ Rashan is scum. (or at least don't believe he is a recruiter. Same with Atrahal. Too out there, and in your face.) This leaves Omtose, D'riss and Gamelon.

I would be happy to vote for any of these 3. They are all middling posters (content wise), were all part of the Emur train switch, all followed by at least 2 people on the Emur train. My order of them from least scummy to most is D'riss, Omtose, Gamelon. (this is based mostly on a feel between the three of their posting style/interactions)

remove vote

vote Gamelon

I'll be around till lynch, and can switch if necessary. (as I suspect it will be) but I wanted to get my thoughts out there for this day, and where my main suspicions lie, before I jump on a train that I am less confident in.

See, now, this is a well thought-out post. I'd love to join you in voting for one of those three Kalse, though I'm sure that as soon as I move off Mockra Tennes will jump on me claiming my vote was only distancing (when in fact I'm voting Mockra because I don't give a rat's ass about him).

This isn't the first time I've liked one of your posts is it Kalse? Why don't you post more often?

I've got quite a lot of stuff to write and i'm unsure if i'll get it all done with in the next few hours. So I give you this post. Atrahal is defending his arse off. Mockra has votes. Kalse removes from Mockra which looks to have stalled and tries to provide a new option in Gamelon. Now Atrahal is agreeable with Kalse, not for the first time he says. Asks him to post more. (Looking for direction from his master?)

Kalse is his master. I have a shit load of notes that point to this. Maybe. No interaction since day one. All his lists and accusations exclude Kalse. Look at posts #1021, #1031, #815 (kalse saying rashan isn't scummy), #931 another list, #936 another one. Not one mentioning Kalse.



Vote Kalse

[Barghast]

Tennes, on 22 March 2012 - 04:27 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 21 March 2012 - 06:28 PM, said:

Kalse, on 21 March 2012 - 05:59 PM, said:

Tellan, on 21 March 2012 - 05:17 PM, said:

For how much you two give an impression of being at odds, you do seem to end up next to each other on the same train an awful lot. Only time it doesn't happen is with Lio (who was pretty much a certain lynch anyhow).

11 votes Karosis: D'riss, Okaros, Kalse, Barghast, Emurlahn, Silanah, Tennes, Olar Ethil, Korvalain, Atrahal, Rashan
10 votes Emurlahn: Rashan, Atrahal, Ruse, Silanah, Omtose, Barghast, D'riss, Gamelon, Olar Ethil, Liosan


And now you're voting next to each other again.

Odd occurrence, thought it was worth pointing out.

Edit: heh, crosspost with Rashan.

I feel there is something to be learned from the Emur Train. I know that Lio came back as town, but there had to be a driving factor behind that switch. That was day 2, so, even if there was a 1 night= 1 recruit mechanic in play, each leader would only have 1 recruit at most. I'm not sure how many leaders there are though. I guess my point is, that it is easy for a recruit to follow his leader, I wouldn't be surprised if 1 or more leaders is on the first 75% of that Emur train. This means: Rashan, Atrahal, Ruse, Omtose, Barghy, D'riss, Gamelon. (I took out silanah obviously) Of those people, several have come under suspicion, and yet the biggest vote getter is.... Mockra. (Yes, I know I am on the mockra train).

Off the top of my head, in catching up, people brought up as potential scum that are on this list, and who yet have 0 or 1 vote on them are..pretty much everyone but Ruse and Barghast. I don't think I remember them having been brought up as potential scum. This narrows my list to Rashan, Atrahal, Omtose D'riss and Gamelon. As I said before, I don't believ Rashan is scum. (or at least don't believe he is a recruiter. Same with Atrahal. Too out there, and in your face.) This leaves Omtose, D'riss and Gamelon.

I would be happy to vote for any of these 3. They are all middling posters (content wise), were all part of the Emur train switch, all followed by at least 2 people on the Emur train. My order of them from least scummy to most is D'riss, Omtose, Gamelon. (this is based mostly on a feel between the three of their posting style/interactions)

remove vote

vote Gamelon

I'll be around till lynch, and can switch if necessary. (as I suspect it will be) but I wanted to get my thoughts out there for this day, and where my main suspicions lie, before I jump on a train that I am less confident in.

See, now, this is a well thought-out post. I'd love to join you in voting for one of those three Kalse, though I'm sure that as soon as I move off Mockra Tennes will jump on me claiming my vote was only distancing (when in fact I'm voting Mockra because I don't give a rat's ass about him).

This isn't the first time I've liked one of your posts is it Kalse? Why don't you post more often?

I've got quite a lot of stuff to write and i'm unsure if i'll get it all done with in the next few hours. So I give you this post. Atrahal is defending his arse off. Mockra has votes. Kalse removes from Mockra which looks to have stalled and tries to provide a new option in Gamelon. Now Atrahal is agreeable with Kalse, not for the first time he says. Asks him to post more. (Looking for direction from his master?)

Kalse is his master. I have a shit load of notes that point to this. Maybe. No interaction since day one. All his lists and accusations exclude Kalse. Look at posts #1021, #1031, #815 (kalse saying rashan isn't scummy), #931 another list, #936 another one. Not one mentioning Kalse.



Vote Kalse

hrrm, interesting. Gonna look @ kalse when i get home. He diddn't post much, and ut was all content.

[Barghast]

Tennes, on 22 March 2012 - 04:27 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 21 March 2012 - 06:28 PM, said:

Kalse, on 21 March 2012 - 05:59 PM, said:

Tellan, on 21 March 2012 - 05:17 PM, said:

For how much you two give an impression of being at odds, you do seem to end up next to each other on the same train an awful lot. Only time it doesn't happen is with Lio (who was pretty much a certain lynch anyhow).

11 votes Karosis: D'riss, Okaros, Kalse, Barghast, Emurlahn, Silanah, Tennes, Olar Ethil, Korvalain, Atrahal, Rashan
10 votes Emurlahn: Rashan, Atrahal, Ruse, Silanah, Omtose, Barghast, D'riss, Gamelon, Olar Ethil, Liosan


And now you're voting next to each other again.

Odd occurrence, thought it was worth pointing out.

Edit: heh, crosspost with Rashan.

I feel there is something to be learned from the Emur Train. I know that Lio came back as town, but there had to be a driving factor behind that switch. That was day 2, so, even if there was a 1 night= 1 recruit mechanic in play, each leader would only have 1 recruit at most. I'm not sure how many leaders there are though. I guess my point is, that it is easy for a recruit to follow his leader, I wouldn't be surprised if 1 or more leaders is on the first 75% of that Emur train. This means: Rashan, Atrahal, Ruse, Omtose, Barghy, D'riss, Gamelon. (I took out silanah obviously) Of those people, several have come under suspicion, and yet the biggest vote getter is.... Mockra. (Yes, I know I am on the mockra train).

Off the top of my head, in catching up, people brought up as potential scum that are on this list, and who yet have 0 or 1 vote on them are..pretty much everyone but Ruse and Barghast. I don't think I remember them having been brought up as potential scum. This narrows my list to Rashan, Atrahal, Omtose D'riss and Gamelon. As I said before, I don't believ Rashan is scum. (or at least don't believe he is a recruiter. Same with Atrahal. Too out there, and in your face.) This leaves Omtose, D'riss and Gamelon.

I would be happy to vote for any of these 3. They are all middling posters (content wise), were all part of the Emur train switch, all followed by at least 2 people on the Emur train. My order of them from least scummy to most is D'riss, Omtose, Gamelon. (this is based mostly on a feel between the three of their posting style/interactions)

remove vote

vote Gamelon

I'll be around till lynch, and can switch if necessary. (as I suspect it will be) but I wanted to get my thoughts out there for this day, and where my main suspicions lie, before I jump on a train that I am less confident in.

See, now, this is a well thought-out post. I'd love to join you in voting for one of those three Kalse, though I'm sure that as soon as I move off Mockra Tennes will jump on me claiming my vote was only distancing (when in fact I'm voting Mockra because I don't give a rat's ass about him).

This isn't the first time I've liked one of your posts is it Kalse? Why don't you post more often?

I've got quite a lot of stuff to write and i'm unsure if i'll get it all done with in the next few hours. So I give you this post. Atrahal is defending his arse off. Mockra has votes. Kalse removes from Mockra which looks to have stalled and tries to provide a new option in Gamelon. Now Atrahal is agreeable with Kalse, not for the first time he says. Asks him to post more. (Looking for direction from his master?)

Kalse is his master. I have a shit load of notes that point to this. Maybe. No interaction since day one. All his lists and accusations exclude Kalse. Look at posts #1021, #1031, #815 (kalse saying rashan isn't scummy), #931 another list, #936 another one. Not one mentioning Kalse.



Vote Kalse

edit: plz delete double, mods! Stooopid phone...

This post has been edited by Barghast: 22 March 2012 - 04:47 PM

[Ruse]

Barghast, on 22 March 2012 - 03:20 PM, said:

Ruse, on 22 March 2012 - 08:19 AM, said:

A scum CF?

excellent!!

I never pegged atrahal as scum...he was receiving way to much attention from all over to have been recruited surely?

this post stinks.
recruiting a top poster is a very good cult move--for the very obvious reason that they'll stir up all kinds of shit, and their eventual lynch will leave a WIFOM storm.

i'm not buying the "super wide-eyed innocent" act you've got going here



vote Ruse

you are trying too hard.

okaaay then....so you are saying that recruiter would WANT to recruit someone that is receiving allot of attention and votes then?