[Karosis]

Emurlahn, on 13 March 2012 - 06:41 PM, said:

Checking in.

Hail the emperor!

You know what really grinds my gears? Posts like this one. Just because it's your first post, doesn't mean you can't have had a look at the thread and have something interesting to say when you make it. It would be fine if he had something to follow this up, but this is just obnoxious! I'm almost tempted to switch my vote to him just to make a statement...


Tennes did the same thing, but at least had the decent to explain why he couldn't post any more.

[Atrahal]

Omtose, on 13 March 2012 - 11:23 PM, said:

I don't have much time to play until Friday. Having read up, the Rashan case does have merit, well as much merrit as any day one case.

Koralain has also pinged my radar with his post saying he was ready to "whore himself out" (post #51)

I will be back in time for a vote. For now I will wait.

I think you mean post #42 (at least, that's what it says on my view), which is this:

Korvalain, on 13 March 2012 - 02:37 PM, said:

Well I guess I could whore myself out to earn a few extra bucks. Earn me a nice new cushion to sit on to make all this artsy stuff to sell.

So Omtose, why does this ping your radar? What could it mean in your opinion? A minister who's looking to be recruited? I can see that later in the game when it might look like town won't win, and some townies (scoundrel players) might be looking to switch to what they perceive to be a winning side, but on day 1 I don't see it.


I actually quite like the Karosis case - it's exactly the kind of thing I'd normally vote on on day 1 if I hadn't already made my own thing

[Atrahal]

Rashan, on 13 March 2012 - 10:44 PM, said:

:yawn:

I can already tell I'm going to be lynched today, unless someone does something crazy.

If you are scum, pathetic attempt. If you are town, then fight goddamn you! Remember you're part of a team and if you're lynched, it hurts the whole team and not just your lazy ass. Yes, even on day 1. I would prefer to think you're silly scum - you do want to earn my respect don't you?

[Karosis]

Kalse, on 13 March 2012 - 07:25 PM, said:

Karosis, on 13 March 2012 - 07:08 PM, said:

Interesting stuff on Rashan. I personally don't find early role spec to be all that much of a scum tell, but worth bearing in mind.

The one who caught my attention was actually Kalse. His first post felt like he was trying too hard:

Kalse, on 13 March 2012 - 04:37 PM, said:

And So I arrive to a scene of poetry, innuendos and poorly executed Haikus. How far our mighty court has fallen. How do we expect to make any money with such drivel. Calligraphy is where it's at. Left handed Calligraphy is all the rage these days! So I give to you my gift. The most excellent calligraphy in the land. All for the glory of the empire!

He starts off with an off-the-cuff summary, which always triggers my warning flags, and then he proceeds to try and continue the RP, but in a manner that feels forced. It's almost as if he was saying to himself: "I must blend in with the other RPers!" as he typed it.

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Vote Kalse

My RP was forced?

You are trying to hard, have people hit a nerve with you regarding the swaying of the Rashan tide perhaps?

Kalse, on 13 March 2012 - 07:26 PM, said:

Karosis, on 13 March 2012 - 07:22 PM, said:

Barghast, on 13 March 2012 - 07:14 PM, said:

Karosis, on 13 March 2012 - 07:08 PM, said:

Interesting stuff on Rashan. I personally don't find early role spec to be all that much of a scum tell, but worth bearing in mind.

The one who caught my attention was actually Kalse. His first post felt like he was trying too hard:

Kalse, on 13 March 2012 - 04:37 PM, said:

And So I arrive to a scene of poetry, innuendos and poorly executed Haikus. How far our mighty court has fallen. How do we expect to make any money with such drivel. Calligraphy is where it's at. Left handed Calligraphy is all the rage these days! So I give to you my gift. The most excellent calligraphy in the land. All for the glory of the empire!

He starts off with an off-the-cuff summary, which always triggers my warning flags, and then he proceeds to try and continue the RP, but in a manner that feels forced. It's almost as if he was saying to himself: "I must blend in with the other RPers!" as he typed it.

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Vote Kalse

Are you perhaps making a suggestion that his summary should be interpreted as a list?



for was it not said by a great thinker that "Those who harbour dark thoughts revel in their dreams of engaging in lusful actions with lists?"

Who cares about whether or not it's a list? No, I mean that an easy way of appearing to be keeping on the ball is to be a summariser. It makes you sound more contentful even though you're not really adding any value to the discussion.

It was my first post of the game... on page 1 of day 1. What ball am i trying to keep on top of?

You really are trying to hard.

Kalse, on 13 March 2012 - 07:34 PM, said:

Karosis, on 13 March 2012 - 01:53 PM, said:

Silanah, on 13 March 2012 - 01:50 PM, said:

Bow deeper!

Don't do that, the boat will sink! /nautical joke

Here is Karosis' first post of the game. See folks, he's trying to keep on top of the ball here, sucking up to the only known inno. There is no substance in this post, and it seems like he is just trying too hard to fit in.

Interesting...three whole posts worth of defence this early. Feels like you're trying to drown this one out before it gains any traction. I did not expect quite such a strong reaction...

[Karosis]

D, on 13 March 2012 - 10:41 PM, said:

D, on 13 March 2012 - 06:31 PM, said:

Rashan has my interest as well. I agree its interesting how he's already talking of bribes as well.

Another one is Karosis. He's throwing out votes left and right looking for something to stick.

Karosis, on 13 March 2012 - 02:03 PM, said:

D, on 13 March 2012 - 01:57 PM, said:

Mighty one! I have this most rare and precious bag of skittles for you! Their many colors are but pale pebbles beside your resplendent scales!

What is this!? This man is trying to poison our glorious leader with these offensively colored fare. Seize him!

Vote D'riss

EDIT: Cross post with my emperor. It appears I am not acting in accordance with his wishes .

Karosis, on 13 March 2012 - 02:24 PM, said:

Serc, on 13 March 2012 - 02:19 PM, said:

I have changed my avatar - How does it look?

It looks like two people firing lasers out of their asses at a discombobulated garden gnome.

Quickly, we must steal his technology!

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Vote Serc

Karosis, on 13 March 2012 - 04:22 PM, said:

Rashan, on 13 March 2012 - 04:13 PM, said:

Well I'm bored. Shall we lynch someone, then?

Oh dear, Fener is in this game. Goodbye, old enemy.

Vote Fener

Ah, good old Fener'eal disease. Not a bad pick.

Personally I want to lynch someone who is trying to keep a low profile. Make a change from the standard "lynch both sides of the first shouting match to appear" paradigm.

Olar Ethil, on 13 March 2012 - 07:04 PM, said:

I've also been getting a certain vibe from Rashan, from almost their first post, there is just a scummy feeling to him. As far as discussing mechanics goes though it doesn't seem overly involved though, still, i'll defintly be paying attention there.

Karosis, on 13 March 2012 - 04:48 PM, said:

Kalse, on 13 March 2012 - 04:38 PM, said:

Karosis, on 13 March 2012 - 04:22 PM, said:

Rashan, on 13 March 2012 - 04:13 PM, said:

Well I'm bored. Shall we lynch someone, then?

Oh dear, Fener is in this game. Goodbye, old enemy.

Vote Fener

Ah, good old Fener'eal disease. Not a bad pick.

Personally I want to lynch someone who is trying to keep a low profile. Make a change from the standard "lynch both sides of the first shouting match to appear" paradigm.

underlined made me chuckle/

Hard to lynch a low profiler on day one as its diffucult to determine who hasn't checked in/ the game started at a weird hour for them, between those laying low.

Ah, but there's a difference between people who are not posting much and people who are laying low. I mean, you're not going to lynch someone who has said nothing, but someone who posts but is non-committal...those you can go after.

What Karosis said here also made me uneasy. Going for someone who seems non-committal, not someone who hasn't posted but someone who is not making waves? It is day one. Day one generally does not see very many strong cases and it can be understandable then why people are non-committal, many are even though they vote a certain player on day one. I'm not saying non-commital players do not warrant attention but I think that they become more apparent and more likely to be scum or role later in the game. On day one it can be a combination of not much to comment on, weak cases and time constraints. I think going after that on day one makes it just as likely to hit town.

Karosis, on 13 March 2012 - 07:08 PM, said:

Interesting stuff on Rashan. I personally don't find early role spec to be all that much of a scum tell, but worth bearing in mind.

The one who caught my attention was actually Kalse. His first post felt like he was trying too hard:

Kalse, on 13 March 2012 - 04:37 PM, said:

And So I arrive to a scene of poetry, innuendos and poorly executed Haikus. How far our mighty court has fallen. How do we expect to make any money with such drivel. Calligraphy is where it's at. Left handed Calligraphy is all the rage these days! So I give to you my gift. The most excellent calligraphy in the land. All for the glory of the empire!

He starts off with an off-the-cuff summary, which always triggers my warning flags, and then he proceeds to try and continue the RP, but in a manner that feels forced. It's almost as if he was saying to himself: "I must blend in with the other RPers!" as he typed it.

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Vote Kalse

Kalse, on 13 March 2012 - 07:25 PM, said:

Karosis, on 13 March 2012 - 07:08 PM, said:

Interesting stuff on Rashan. I personally don't find early role spec to be all that much of a scum tell, but worth bearing in mind.

The one who caught my attention was actually Kalse. His first post felt like he was trying too hard:

Kalse, on 13 March 2012 - 04:37 PM, said:

And So I arrive to a scene of poetry, innuendos and poorly executed Haikus. How far our mighty court has fallen. How do we expect to make any money with such drivel. Calligraphy is where it's at. Left handed Calligraphy is all the rage these days! So I give to you my gift. The most excellent calligraphy in the land. All for the glory of the empire!

He starts off with an off-the-cuff summary, which always triggers my warning flags, and then he proceeds to try and continue the RP, but in a manner that feels forced. It's almost as if he was saying to himself: "I must blend in with the other RPers!" as he typed it.

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Vote Kalse

My RP was forced?

You are trying to hard, have people hit a nerve with you regarding the swaying of the Rashan tide perhaps?

Another vote change Karosis? Working together with Rashan maybe? Both of these ones guys seem a bit scummy to me, but Karosis more so.

vote Karosis

I may be persuaded to vote Rashan for a lynch.

Come now, think about this for a minute. If I were trying to set up lynch targets, there are few more ineffectual ways to do it than with a joke vote. Now I can understand why you might think I was trying to deflect from Rashan, but how does any of the other stuff support your case? Going for the old 'wall of text' attack, are we?

[Atrahal]

For the record, when I said I quite like the Karosis case, I meant I quite like the Karosis case ON Kalse, rather than voting for Karosis. I realise this is confusing

[Gamelon]

Reporting in and reading up

[Karosis]

Atrahal, on 14 March 2012 - 12:08 AM, said:

Rashan, on 13 March 2012 - 10:44 PM, said:

:yawn:

I can already tell I'm going to be lynched today, unless someone does something crazy.

If you are scum, pathetic attempt. If you are town, then fight goddamn you! Remember you're part of a team and if you're lynched, it hurts the whole team and not just your lazy ass. Yes, even on day 1. I would prefer to think you're silly scum - you do want to earn my respect don't you?

+1

[Rashan]

Atrahal, on 14 March 2012 - 12:08 AM, said:

Rashan, on 13 March 2012 - 10:44 PM, said:

:yawn:

I can already tell I'm going to be lynched today, unless someone does something crazy.

If you are scum, pathetic attempt. If you are town, then fight goddamn you! Remember you're part of a team and if you're lynched, it hurts the whole team and not just your lazy ass. Yes, even on day 1. I would prefer to think you're silly scum - you do want to earn my respect don't you?

I answered everything, there's not much else I can do but develop a case of my own. I posted this because of all the people "checking in" and "commenting" on how they find the Rashan case somewhat interesting, and might be willing to vote that way.

Those posts read like people who have no clue what's going on already, and didn't even bother to read the case or rebuttal. Slightly irking, thus the comment.

[Okaros]

Geez, it's no wonder people are turning up to check in and then leaving again. We're not even halfway through day one and already people are getting jumped on!

On top of that, between Karosis and Atrahal no one can win. If you defend yourself too much that is suspicious, but if you don't defend yourself at all you're also suspicious!

Day one cases are a crapshoot, and I don't blame Rashan for his resignation. It's pretty much impossible to against a day one case because anything you do or say will be micro-analysed. Sure, scum can slip up on day one as much as any other day, but it takes the context of the following days to find anything useful.

So with that, I am going to head off to work on my kickass Noh Dancing. I'll be back in time to vote. Try not to get your collective knickers twisted too much.

[Rashan]

And I fail to see how that makes me lazy. There's nothing to defend from, nothing I can say.

I'll make a case of my own if I find something that deserves a case. But I'm not going to create a terrible case on someone else just to save my own ass.

[Karosis]

Korvalain, on 13 March 2012 - 11:15 PM, said:

Rashan, on 13 March 2012 - 11:10 PM, said:

That was me, not Silanah. That was a well done fake symping job there, if you did it on purpose. Freudian slip and whatnot.

Yep you are right. You voted for Fener and Silanah voted for you. Regardless, as Sorrit mentioned, the alt is cursed and we would be well in seeing it removed from the game.

I'm unsure why you felt the need to provide additional justification here, since you already had more than enough in the post where you dropped the vote. You seem a bit too keen to ensure that your vote is seen to have reasoning behind it - reads somewhat suspiciously in my eyes.

[Atrahal]

Okaros, on 14 March 2012 - 12:27 AM, said:

Geez, it's no wonder people are turning up to check in and then leaving again. We're not even halfway through day one and already people are getting jumped on!

On top of that, between Karosis and Atrahal no one can win. If you defend yourself too much that is suspicious, but if you don't defend yourself at all you're also suspicious!

Day one cases are a crapshoot, and I don't blame Rashan for his resignation. It's pretty much impossible to against a day one case because anything you do or say will be micro-analysed. Sure, scum can slip up on day one as much as any other day, but it takes the context of the following days to find anything useful.

So with that, I am going to head off to work on my kickass Noh Dancing. I'll be back in time to vote. Try not to get your collective knickers twisted too much.

Translation: "I'll criticise other people's attempts to highlight things, but I won't bother to actually contribute anything myself. In fact, I'm not sure why I even posted on day 1. I'll vote for whoever is going to get lynched at the end of the day, because frankly I can't be bothered about giving a shit today."

[Atrahal]

Rashan, on 14 March 2012 - 12:27 AM, said:

And I fail to see how that makes me lazy. There's nothing to defend from, nothing I can say.

I'll make a case of my own if I find something that deserves a case. But I'm not going to create a terrible case on someone else just to save my own ass.

I don't disagree with that - it's that short moment of resignation you displayed that irks me, especially as it came with just two votes on you. To be honest, it pisses me off in every game when someone says along the lines, "oh whatever, just lynch me."

[Rashan]

Interpret things as you will, but that wasn't what I was saying.

[Rashan]

My best guesses for scum so far are OE, Okaros, and Fener. If anyone was wondering. No cases to be made, just gut feelings from their post. And because its Fener.

[Karosis]

Rashan, on 14 March 2012 - 12:27 AM, said:

And I fail to see how that makes me lazy. There's nothing to defend from, nothing I can say.

I'll make a case of my own if I find something that deserves a case. But I'm not going to create a terrible case on someone else just to save my own ass.

It's not to save your own ass, it's to provide information to the town. Shake a few trees and see what falls out. Otherwise there's no way people are going to be able to form opinions about the 20 other players in the game. There are going to be terrible cases on Day 1, it's a fact of life. But if there are 10 to choose from rather than 1, there's more chance that one of them will actually be right. So throw some dirt against the wall and see what sticks rather than just sitting back and accepting the inevitable.




EDIT: Crosspost w/ Rashan.

This post has been edited by Karosis: 14 March 2012 - 12:38 AM

[Rashan]

Here's the post from OE that bothered me:

Olar Ethil, on 13 March 2012 - 07:04 PM, said:

I've also been getting a certain vibe from Rashan, from almost their first post, there is just a scummy feeling to him. As far as discussing mechanics goes though it doesn't seem overly involved though, still, i'll defintly be paying attention there.

Karosis, on 13 March 2012 - 04:48 PM, said:

Kalse, on 13 March 2012 - 04:38 PM, said:

Karosis, on 13 March 2012 - 04:22 PM, said:

Rashan, on 13 March 2012 - 04:13 PM, said:

Well I'm bored. Shall we lynch someone, then?

Oh dear, Fener is in this game. Goodbye, old enemy.

Vote Fener

Ah, good old Fener'eal disease. Not a bad pick.

Personally I want to lynch someone who is trying to keep a low profile. Make a change from the standard "lynch both sides of the first shouting match to appear" paradigm.

underlined made me chuckle/

Hard to lynch a low profiler on day one as its diffucult to determine who hasn't checked in/ the game started at a weird hour for them, between those laying low.

Ah, but there's a difference between people who are not posting much and people who are laying low. I mean, you're not going to lynch someone who has said nothing, but someone who posts but is non-committal...those you can go after.

What Karosis said here also made me uneasy. Going for someone who seems non-committal, not someone who hasn't posted but someone who is not making waves? It is day one. Day one generally does not see very many strong cases and it can be understandable then why people are non-committal, many are even though they vote a certain player on day one. I'm not saying non-commital players do not warrant attention but I think that they become more apparent and more likely to be scum or role later in the game. On day one it can be a combination of not much to comment on, weak cases and time constraints. I think going after that on day one makes it just as likely to hit town.

The first part is so damned noncommittal, but there are quite a few people who have posted like that today. So I'm willing to ignore it, I suppose.

What bothers me more is the strangeness of the last paragraph there. It doesn't make much sense, I could refute all of it if I wasn't so sure someone had done it already. It reads as scum, or someone who doesn't quite know what's going on. Either way I'd prefer them gone, as of right now.

[Karosis]

Okaros, on 14 March 2012 - 12:27 AM, said:

Geez, it's no wonder people are turning up to check in and then leaving again. We're not even halfway through day one and already people are getting jumped on!

On top of that, between Karosis and Atrahal no one can win. If you defend yourself too much that is suspicious, but if you don't defend yourself at all you're also suspicious!

Day one cases are a crapshoot, and I don't blame Rashan for his resignation. It's pretty much impossible to against a day one case because anything you do or say will be micro-analysed. Sure, scum can slip up on day one as much as any other day, but it takes the context of the following days to find anything useful.

So with that, I am going to head off to work on my kickass Noh Dancing. I'll be back in time to vote. Try not to get your collective knickers twisted too much.

Pfft. As far as I'm aware, at no point has anyone been accused of being scummy for not defending themselves enough. If people are scared of being jumped on, then they have something to hide. If you are RI, then your job is to ferret out information, you are not supposed to have a self-preservation instinct. You start with no information, and you are not especially useful to the town's cause beyond making up the numbers unless you are making yourself busy on thread. So why aren't you even trying, Okaros?


Here is an example of the sort of player that I was saying we should be looking for back at the beginning of the day. This is such a blatant exhibition of the cancerous attitude that so often makes Day 1 useless. The more we allow players to get away with flaunting points of view like this, the more it will happen and you'll end up with Day 1s with no cases and no lynch. Might as well just start from Day 2, huh? The game has a fixed starting point and the onus is on you to play from that starting point, not from whenever you feel like the game is worth playing from. And if you're not doing that, the onus should be on the rest of us to force you to.

Much as I was starting to grow attached to the case on Kalse, I cannot allow this to stand. Yes, I'm switching vote again, make of that what you will, but I'm sick and tired of this sort of thinking and I feel I have to make a point. What would a scum player like more than to drift to Day 2 without anyone giving them any heat? And what is Okaros trying to do if not exactly that?

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Vote Okaros

[Rashan]

Well said.