[Atrahal]

Path-Shaper, on 21 March 2012 - 12:11 PM, said:

s Day 4

12 hours and 19 minutes left in the day.

16 players are left alive:
Atrahal, Barghast, D'riss, Gamelon, Kalse, Korvalain, Mockra, Okaros, Olar Ethil,Omtose, Rashan, Ruse Serc, Silanah, Tellan, Tennes


9 votes to lynch, 8 to go to night.

3 votes Mockra: Kalse, Okaros, Atrahal
1 vote Korvalain: D'riss
1 vote Atrahal: Rashan
1 vote D'riss: Ruse
1 vote Atrahal: Tennes


Players not voting: Barghast, Gamelon, Korvalain, Mockra, Olar Ethil,Omtose, Serc, Silanah, Tellan

Oooh, I have two individual votes. Perhpas I'm a super-special role

[Path-Shaper]

Oops.

It is Day 4

12 hours and 5 minutes left in the day.

16 players are left alive:
Atrahal, Barghast, D'riss, Gamelon, Kalse, Korvalain, Mockra, Okaros, Olar Ethil,Omtose, Rashan, Ruse Serc, Silanah, Tellan, Tennes


9 votes to lynch, 8 to go to night.

3 votes Mockra: Kalse, Okaros, Atrahal
1 vote Korvalain: D'riss
2 votes Atrahal: Rashan, Tennes
1 vote D'riss: Ruse



Players not voting: Barghast, Gamelon, Korvalain, Mockra, Olar Ethil,Omtose, Serc, Silanah, Tellan

Is that my only error, or am I missing something else?

[Ruse]

Tennes, on 21 March 2012 - 11:54 AM, said:

Ruse, on 21 March 2012 - 11:44 AM, said:

Tennes, on 21 March 2012 - 11:05 AM, said:

Vote Atrahal

I think he istrying to protect his "recruit" Mockra and I don't know why Ruse is defending him.

Think what you want, I am not protecting anyone i just dont like your logic...its stinks.
Should i keep quiet when i see shit? I dont like how you are writing my questions off as me defending atrhal either.
Im defending atrhal...atrhal is defending mockra...we are all "defending" each other yea?!!!

your defense against anyone who attacks you as "defending your targets" is lame.

No one has "attacked" me though. What are you talking about?

"Attack" as in question your motives...like i have.
I have just now attacked your logic....did i not?
hence why you are saying i am "defending atrahal". when in fact i was attacking you....very slick.
I asked why you only focused on atrahal about the "spam" and ignored rashan (who for me is a bigger "spammer")and you simply dismiss me by saying i am defending atrahal?....tsk tsk tsk.

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I'm trying to build a case because the last few days i've followed other peoples cases and they've turned out wrong. I found Mockra to be a low lying coaster. One who stayed away from lynch trains until yesterday where he may have enough people to protect him if he gets called out. Atrahal says he finds him scummy but look here instead. I find that scummy. I find one of those two to be scum.

Firslty....you do realise they very well BOTH could be scum no?
scum are looking for scum too.
for all i know both of you and atrahal are scum...what the fuck do i know?
One thing is sure...atrahal aint the one trying to undermine anyone who is looking for scum in places other than where he might be looking.

Secondly...you where using dodgy logic and its stuff like this that convoluted the game even further for me.
So someone found your case interesting, agreed with it...but decided to give his own case on someone else?...so what?
I find all of this ridiculous in terms of logic...are there not allowed to be any other cases around? yours is the only valid one everyone else must be scum if they dont care for it!!...bah!

Thirdly you used spam as an argument when i read atrahals posts that YOU quoted i didnt find it to be spam at all?
And using spam to derail a thread/case is just about the sillyest thing i have heard someone come up with so far.
how would that even work?

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You attacking my case is a defense of Atrahal whether you like it or not.

So no one is allowed to question your motives without getting labelled a defender of someone.
thats how you roll....i get it.
You are not the first nor the last person to make a case against atrahal...yet i havent gone after them (defended atrahal) now have i?
Use your head. everyone cant be defending everyone.

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I like the way you can do this without providing a case of your own or showing much insight into the game.

Why would i need to build a case when all i have done is poke holes in shoddy logic.
Do you see me voting for you?
Did i claim to have a "case" on you?
No...all i did was question your motives in those few posts because i found your logic very convenient and contrived.
yet you avoid my issues i raised.

WHY DID YOU IGNORE RASHAN AND OTHERS SPAM AND FOCUS ONLY ON ATRAHAL APPARENT SPAM????
at least answer me that onei even put it in caps so you can miss it...answer me that so that i can maybe move along.
Pretty please?

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Is this because I found you fishy early game? Is this you trying to make some waves and pretend like your playing?

Yes asshole...this is all fucking pretend...here is some more pretend... "go fuck yourself clunge".
you trying to get a fucking rise out of me arent you!!


instead of simply calling anyone who questions your motives a bodyguard for who ever you are currently targeting...why dont you just answer their concerns properly and you might find this game get allot clearer.




edit - forgot to answer one quote fully.

This post has been edited by Ruse: 21 March 2012 - 12:39 PM

[Ruse]

Atrahal, on 21 March 2012 - 11:58 AM, said:

Tennes, I find your focus on me very strange. Your reasoning does not fit with what I or others have said on thread. At all. I think you're scared because I named you among a short list of suspects, and your paranoia has convinced you that I'm in league with Mockra.

thats exaclty my point....his logic is strange to say the least.

[Tennes]

Atrahal, on 21 March 2012 - 12:21 PM, said:

Tennes, I just took a look at your case.

Fuck me with a boomstick.

Now I know why I didn't pay attention. It's just a wall of Mockra's posts with no comments. You did in fact say you'll be back later to give comments, so perhaps it actually stood to reason to not comment on your own opinions, SEEING AS YOU HADN'T GIVEN US ANY AT THAT POINT. Jesus fucking Christ.

After you left your Mockra mural, as well as me, Olar, Barghast, Tellan, D'riss, and Gamelon all also came on and made no mention of your post. Why aren't they distancing from Mockra then?

Of those who did mention Mockra, Rashan did so but without reference to you, Korvalain gave one very brief mention, and Okaros said he thought your case was shit but would vote for Mockra for his own reasons.


The funniest thing is, I have absolutely no problem in voting for Mockra. Indeed, I actually like my vote being on Mockra. What I am pissed off about is that you're one of those stubborn empty-headed fuckers who can't change their stance on certain aspects of their case no matter how much evidence is put to them to the contrary.

I didn't get to completely finish the case but since coming back I mentioned what I saw. Maybe a sleep gave me more to think about. Your reaction to all this makes me believe that you'd be a better lynch than Mockra.





Mockra cases is this.


He doesn't post until someone mentions him, or at least he didn't until today. He avoided the first two lynch trains (something I believe a recruiter would do. He hopped onto the Liosan lynch which was the easiest lynch to make an excuse on. He has laid extremely low and not garnered much attention except from Sorrit (who pointed out that Mockra may have looked at the thread but not posted and was doing a re read). Sorrit ended up dead. A few of his posts regurgitated what other people have said. Like the Karosis summary.

Another summary

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Back and around will go read up in a sec.

Well I don't think the game has been content free or anything, there has been no spam to pad out the thread. I guess it is a little slow, but there's been a number of people, Fener, myself, Emurlahn, Sorrit who really haven't posted an aweful lot and havne't seen much of Tellan recently.
There can be lots of reasons, the holiday, technical and personal stuff often comes up that gets in the way. Also some people did say in the sign ups they would be low posting etc.

Addtionally Day 3 was pretty straight forward as we had the Liosan lynch that was screaming to be investigated so not a lot of case building went on there as well which I guess cut back on content.

For me personally, I have had some personal stuff come up and playing Mafia is really just a huge chore and I am not enjoying it at all and in fact I am struggling to post anything. Please don't take that as a reflection on your game at all, some stuff came up that was out of my control.

Summaries. It is a way to look like your contributing but actually you aren't. I don't like this post. Then there is his defence.

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So sorta caught up. Are you building a case Tennes, or just going to quote all my posts and hope that its enough to get people to vote? Strangely seemed to work on Kalse though. I guess he found me scummy before, although he hasn't said if he thinks I'm a recruit, or the Cult Recruiter.

I guess i'll go through my rough schedule as Tennes keeps bringing up timings and my postings.
So game started Tuesday eveningish my time and I first read the thread on my way to work Wednesday morning so about 24 hours to lynch, and I did my initial postings etc.
Came back on Thursday morning once I got to work and there was roughly an hour or so till lynch with Karosis needing a couple votes and about 4 or 5 people around to do so, of which I was one. Someone else hammered and
then I bantered with Tellan I think and Antrahl did my lynch train analysis during the start of Day 2, which was my Thursday at work.

Was hoping to be back but couldn't play Friday, Saturday, Sunday, or Monday till the evening where, unfortunately for me I wasn't modkilled as the weekend break seemed longer than normal.
So posted briefly Monday and then came back Tuesday morning my time where aftering seeing the Liosan lynch train swerve I voted for Liosan..

I think that pretty much covers it.

On a related note, I am curious as to if you truely think this is how the cult recruiter is going to play? Missing large portions of the game, low posting etc? You've only mentioned I'm scummy so I'm not sure if you think i'm the cult recruiter or the I'm a recruit or something else.
If we were playing a game with killers and symps I couldn't really fault your case in that area, my play style certainly fits low posting killer. But this isn a cult game, its completely different. I am starting to wonder if people are still in the mindset of looking for killers and not a cult.

For me at least the Cult Recruiter has to either lead the thread, or be very active, especially in pointing out who he thinks it scummy and who isn't and on who to vote on. As everyone he recruits only knows who the recruiter is, but doesn't know the rest of the cult so he has to give the rest of the cult
directions as best as he can on thread or he runs the risk of the cult building cases on cult or having a cult member lynched because other cult members didn't realise they were also in the cult.

The recruits will be people following along on trains, or building on cases the cult recruiter has mentioned he has found to be scummy previously or voted on before, or people who have made dramatic switches in their opinion. I guess recruits maybe want to low post and cruise as well, so maybe your arguing for me being scummy as I'm a good recruit candidate?

How would cult play. I think at least one of them would play this way.

I think this is what got me thinking about you Atrahal the way he mentions leading the thread. Maybe i'm wrong about you, but Mockra certainly is pinging my radar. If he comes out innocent then chop me up into little pieces, ignore what I say and lynch me but I think he is.

[Tennes]

@Ruse I don't know what to make of Rashan. Sometimes I totally agree with her/him. Other times I disagree. I find her/him scummy and then town and vice versa.



ps is Rashan considered masculine or feminine? I keep swapping in my head

[Ruse]

Tennes, on 21 March 2012 - 12:51 PM, said:

@Ruse I don't know what to make of Rashan. Sometimes I totally agree with her/him. Other times I disagree. I find her/him scummy and then town and vice versa.



ps is Rashan considered masculine or feminine? I keep swapping in my head

sigh...that still isnt answering my question.
forget about rashan.

I was asking why you felt the need to back up claims using spam as an argument when others have spammed, some more so than atrahal during the same time?

[D'riss]

Ruse, on 21 March 2012 - 08:47 AM, said:

ok...well caught up.


not to sure of what to make of today so far...lots of accusations flying around.
Allot of OMGUS and what not.
Even though OMGUS cases could be just as valid as scum are searching for each other in this game alongside the town.


I think the argument about D'riss coming out of the woodwork and attacking korvalain to perhaps protect someone is valid.
But the fact that people seem to think that just because someone is protecting someone else he automatically has to be a symp/recruit is false.

In this game the recruiter would also want to protect a player on thread.
It makes allot of sense to do so.
A recruiter protecting his recruit gives his other recruits info on who also is on their side and who to protect.
A recruiter also has less to fear if we lynch the person he defended if we dont know from CF if someone is recruited or not (have we had confirmation yet?) so an inno CF will have zero blowback on the defender.
Its actually worse for a recruit to defend a recruiter! the recruiter getting lynched would get the recruit lynched soon after the CF.

So not voting for D'riss because he is "simply a recruit" is not only silly because your logic could be wrong and he could very well be a recruiter.
Its also silly because unless that recruit is on your side why wouldnt you want to get rid of him anyways?
Unless you are a recruit yourself and you are not sure if he is on your team yet?



Vote D'riss

I didn't ATTACK Korvalain. He had been such a low poster that we kept forgetting about him, and then he came back with his hindsight analysis on what happened. I find it suspicious that he managed to stay out of most of the Emurlahn and Liosan trouble then comes back as a much more prolific writer. But this was not the ONLY thing I questioned. I am being accused of symping because I wanted us to look at Sorrit's posts. This is all such bullshit! At this point I have a list of people that I think are scummy.

[Rashan]

Everyone here is such a low poster that I forget about them excepting Atrahal, Barghast, and D'riss.

I will lynch one of those three. Or Tellan, because people very clearly don't want to lynch him, and that gives me happy feelings inside.

[Silanah]

How could you forget about your emperor?

[Ruse]

D, on 21 March 2012 - 01:32 PM, said:

Ruse, on 21 March 2012 - 08:47 AM, said:

ok...well caught up.


not to sure of what to make of today so far...lots of accusations flying around.
Allot of OMGUS and what not.
Even though OMGUS cases could be just as valid as scum are searching for each other in this game alongside the town.


I think the argument about D'riss coming out of the woodwork and attacking korvalain to perhaps protect someone is valid.
But the fact that people seem to think that just because someone is protecting someone else he automatically has to be a symp/recruit is false.

In this game the recruiter would also want to protect a player on thread.
It makes allot of sense to do so.
A recruiter protecting his recruit gives his other recruits info on who also is on their side and who to protect.
A recruiter also has less to fear if we lynch the person he defended if we dont know from CF if someone is recruited or not (have we had confirmation yet?) so an inno CF will have zero blowback on the defender.
Its actually worse for a recruit to defend a recruiter! the recruiter getting lynched would get the recruit lynched soon after the CF.

So not voting for D'riss because he is "simply a recruit" is not only silly because your logic could be wrong and he could very well be a recruiter.
Its also silly because unless that recruit is on your side why wouldnt you want to get rid of him anyways?
Unless you are a recruit yourself and you are not sure if he is on your team yet?



Vote D'riss

I didn't ATTACK Korvalain. He had been such a low poster that we kept forgetting about him, and then he came back with his hindsight analysis on what happened. I find it suspicious that he managed to stay out of most of the Emurlahn and Liosan trouble then comes back as a much more prolific writer. But this was not the ONLY thing I questioned. I am being accused of symping because I wanted us to look at Sorrit's posts. This is all such bullshit! At this point I have a list of people that I think are scummy.

attack?...perhaps not.
ok, you wrapped him on his knuckles then.

watever...my main point was that you could just as easily be a recruiter than a recruit.
the entire case that you are a recruit applies to you being a recruiter just as easily...hence my vote.

[Ruse]

Silanah, on 21 March 2012 - 01:47 PM, said:

How could you forget about your emperor?

getting ignored because everyone knows you are inno

[D'riss]

Rashan, on 16 March 2012 - 02:12 PM, said:

Goddammit. I'm telling you right now, Liosan will come up inno. Emurlahn is scum, D'riss his symp/underling. Look at their position on the train on Liosan. They're the reason the Liosan train is ahead. Gah. D'riss completely ignores that Emurlahn is a low content, middle of the road poster, and focuses on the lack of case that I apparently imagined.

Atrahal, on 16 March 2012 - 02:14 PM, said:

Rashan, on 16 March 2012 - 02:12 PM, said:

Goddammit. I'm telling you right now, Liosan will come up inno. Emurlahn is scum, D'riss his symp/underling. Look at their position on the train on Liosan. They're the reason the Liosan train is ahead. Gah. D'riss completely ignores that Emurlahn is a low content, middle of the road poster, and focuses on the lack of case that I apparently imagined.

I think Liosan will come up inno too. I'm not sure about Emur - my gut said it's a possibility, but looking over his posts I don't see anything there, they're pretty decent. I haven't spotted this D'riss link though?

Rashan, on 16 March 2012 - 02:19 PM, said:

It wasn't anger, Ruse, it was frustration.

The D'riss connection comes from the last page where he looks for the Emur case (which apparently I imagined as something more substantial) and ignores the more important part of the reason to vote him, the need to get rid of people who barely have opinions and few posts.

Tennes, on 16 March 2012 - 02:20 PM, said:

Rashan, on 16 March 2012 - 02:12 PM, said:

Goddammit. I'm telling you right now, Liosan will come up inno. Emurlahn is scum, D'riss his symp/underling. Look at their position on the train on Liosan. They're the reason the Liosan train is ahead. Gah. D'riss completely ignores that Emurlahn is a low content, middle of the road poster, and focuses on the lack of case that I apparently imagined.

This sounds like you know something we don't if that's the case i'd be willing to vote along with you. there is a chance Lio could be scum but we do have an hour. If everyone is here to vote then we could all effectively lynch Emur based on what you know.

Atrahal, on 16 March 2012 - 02:20 PM, said:

I really do think out of Lio, Emur, and Fener, this is the least likely to get us scum - though I've been wrong before I guess. Just the one time mind

D, on 16 March 2012 - 02:29 PM, said:

Tennes, on 16 March 2012 - 02:20 PM, said:

Rashan, on 16 March 2012 - 02:12 PM, said:

Goddammit. I'm telling you right now, Liosan will come up inno. Emurlahn is scum, D'riss his symp/underling. Look at their position on the train on Liosan. They're the reason the Liosan train is ahead. Gah. D'riss completely ignores that Emurlahn is a low content, middle of the road poster, and focuses on the lack of case that I apparently imagined.

This sounds like you know something we don't if that's the case i'd be willing to vote along with you. there is a chance Lio could be scum but we do have an hour. If everyone is here to vote then we could all effectively lynch Emur based on what you know.

WTF?! When the hell did I become Emurlahn's underling because I don't see a case there? I think both cases are crap, but Liosan's damned rp and lack of content suck.

Rashan, on 16 March 2012 - 02:30 PM, said:

Tennes, on 16 March 2012 - 02:20 PM, said:

This sounds like you know something we don't if that's the case i'd be willing to vote along with you. there is a chance Lio could be scum but we do have an hour. If everyone is here to vote then we could all effectively lynch Emur based on what you know.

I don't. No finder or anything, unfortunately. I'm just much more sure of this than Liosan.

Atrahal, on 16 March 2012 - 02:20 PM, said:

I really do think out of Lio, Emur, and Fener, this is the least likely to get us scum - though I've been wrong before I guess. Just the one time mind

Agreed.

D, on 16 March 2012 - 02:20 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 16 March 2012 - 02:11 PM, said:

Looking over Emur's posts, I have to say that there may not be many of them, but they're not exactly content-less either....nothing there strikes me as strange.

I agree, I don't see anything to justify an Emurlahn lynch.

^ Lol.



Let me explain my hunch again. We all agree that there's likely to be at least one scum in the lower posters. Fener, Ruse, Emurlahn, and Omtose are the 4 lowest posters.

Fener - 2 posts, shite, where is he? Suppose we'll find out on monday.
Ruse - Family emergency, I didn't want to lynch him based on that
Omtose - has posted content, at least that's how I remember it. Of the four, he has the most to look back on if he changed his patterns.

Emurlahn - A few posts, only 1 that was original (and it wasn't good in my opinion), mostly regurgitating what the thread was saying the whole time.

He is 2nd on the Liosan train, which was the person quite a few people were talking about lynching yesterday.
D'riss is defending him, and is FOURTH on the Liosan train, which is when people really started piling on.

THEY are the reason the Liosan train is the big one right now, and there is a connection between them.

Atrahal, on 16 March 2012 - 02:34 PM, said:

Tell you what. I'll be here till the very end, so:

Remove Vote

Vote Emurlahn

If the votes on Emur don't climb, I'll switch back to Liosan with enough time to still lynch him.

So we keep going back to the lynch train. Something scummy happened there, especially in how quickly it changed, but the above posts really highlight how it happened. We had two crappy cases, and people were picking Liosan because of his roleplaying, then as the votes for Liosan started picking up momentum, I was fingered as Emurlahn's symp because I agreed that his posts didn't really say anything, and because I suspected that Emurlahn would cf as inno.

So sufficient doubt was placed on the lynch train for Liosan and everyone switched votes over to Emurlahn. But now that we had an inno come up after that debacle, we all felt we had to lynch Liosan just to make sure that HE wasn't scum, since the train had clearly pulled away from him.

Why would scum want us to do all this? I have two theories.

1) Scum didn't want a lynch. They took a gamble that if they confused everyone enough an hour before the lynch time, we may not be able to get our numbers.
2) To waste our time. We lost another day going down the wrong path just to make sure that Lio wasn't scum.

I have some doubts about Korvolain, Mockra, Tellan, Tennes, Gamelon and The Unmentionable (Atrahal).

While I think they both steered the train, I think the main orchestrator was Rashan.

remove vote
vote Rashan

Edit: both meaning Atrahal and Rashan

This post has been edited by D'riss: 21 March 2012 - 02:18 PM

[Rashan]

That's no good, the no lynch theory. There were clearly enough people around to switch. If we managed to lynch Emurlahn with only 1 vote on her to start (mine) we could clearly have lynched.

As I've mentioned before, though, I understand that you find me suspicious for insisting on the Emurlahn lynch. That's the cost of being wrong. Nothing I'll do to dissuade you from that.

[Ruse]

i dont by the "scum dont want to lynch" theory at all.

they want to lynch just as much as us....they want to kill the opposing cults recruiters just as much as everyone else..
they sure as shit dont seem like they want to waste nights on NK's instead of recruiting now do they.
3 nights and one NK which seems random enough to be a vig as much as anything else.


Makes no sense to me for scum to stall lynches.
i guess for some people the liosan CF just wasnt enough.

[D'riss]

Ruse, on 21 March 2012 - 02:50 PM, said:

i dont by the "scum dont want to lynch" theory at all.

they want to lynch just as much as us....they want to kill the opposing cults recruiters just as much as everyone else..
they sure as shit dont seem like they want to waste nights on NK's instead of recruiting now do they.
3 nights and one NK which seems random enough to be a vig as much as anything else.


Makes no sense to me for scum to stall lynches.
i guess for some people the liosan CF just wasnt enough.

Yes, but this was early enough in the game that scum may have wanted a wider pool to recruit from.

I gave two potential reasons as to why the train was forced to shift. The second ties us up with having to rule out Liosan as scum.

[Ruse]

D, on 21 March 2012 - 02:56 PM, said:

Ruse, on 21 March 2012 - 02:50 PM, said:

i dont by the "scum dont want to lynch" theory at all.

they want to lynch just as much as us....they want to kill the opposing cults recruiters just as much as everyone else..
they sure as shit dont seem like they want to waste nights on NK's instead of recruiting now do they.
3 nights and one NK which seems random enough to be a vig as much as anything else.


Makes no sense to me for scum to stall lynches.
i guess for some people the liosan CF just wasnt enough.

Yes, but this was early enough in the game that scum may have wanted a wider pool to recruit from.

it was also early enough in the game for cult to not care about numbers since the pool is so big too.

sorry pal...you make it sound like all scum can co-ordinate or something.
remember we are talking multiple factions all out to get one another here.

they are not going to give a fuck about stalling a lynch with so many fish in the sea....sounds silly to me.

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I gave two potential reasons as to why the train was forced to shift. The second ties us up with having to rule out Liosan as scum.

not too sure what the point is here.

[Rashan]

So we have about 8 hours. What's the deal, who's biting the dust?

[Ruse]

point being just because one scum team might have wanted to stall the lynch and keep more people around....doesnt mean another didnt want a lynch! So its kinds counter productive in a way to keep going on about this.

and being day two each independent cult would be pretty small (2 people is my guess). not big enough to sway 11 people in 1 hour.


I feel there is way too much focus on these lynches. like there might be an agenda behind it or something.
or...just plain old pitbull like "blinkered" tenacity. Cant let it go.

[Rashan]

Of course not, I swayed 11 people with my massive intellect and endearing personality.


Asshole.