[Barghast]

Karosis, on 13 March 2012 - 07:08 PM, said:

Interesting stuff on Rashan. I personally don't find early role spec to be all that much of a scum tell, but worth bearing in mind.

The one who caught my attention was actually Kalse. His first post felt like he was trying too hard:

Kalse, on 13 March 2012 - 04:37 PM, said:

And So I arrive to a scene of poetry, innuendos and poorly executed Haikus. How far our mighty court has fallen. How do we expect to make any money with such drivel. Calligraphy is where it's at. Left handed Calligraphy is all the rage these days! So I give to you my gift. The most excellent calligraphy in the land. All for the glory of the empire!

He starts off with an off-the-cuff summary, which always triggers my warning flags, and then he proceeds to try and continue the RP, but in a manner that feels forced. It's almost as if he was saying to himself: "I must blend in with the other RPers!" as he typed it.

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Vote Kalse

Are you perhaps making a suggestion that his summary should be interpreted as a list?



for was it not said by a great thinker that "Those who harbour dark thoughts revel in their dreams of engaging in lusful actions with lists?"

[Karosis]

Olar Ethil, on 13 March 2012 - 07:04 PM, said:

I've also been getting a certain vibe from Rashan, from almost their first post, there is just a scummy feeling to him. As far as discussing mechanics goes though it doesn't seem overly involved though, still, i'll defintly be paying attention there.

Karosis, on 13 March 2012 - 04:48 PM, said:

Kalse, on 13 March 2012 - 04:38 PM, said:

Karosis, on 13 March 2012 - 04:22 PM, said:

Rashan, on 13 March 2012 - 04:13 PM, said:

Well I'm bored. Shall we lynch someone, then?

Oh dear, Fener is in this game. Goodbye, old enemy.

Vote Fener

Ah, good old Fener'eal disease. Not a bad pick.

Personally I want to lynch someone who is trying to keep a low profile. Make a change from the standard "lynch both sides of the first shouting match to appear" paradigm.

underlined made me chuckle/

Hard to lynch a low profiler on day one as its diffucult to determine who hasn't checked in/ the game started at a weird hour for them, between those laying low.

Ah, but there's a difference between people who are not posting much and people who are laying low. I mean, you're not going to lynch someone who has said nothing, but someone who posts but is non-committal...those you can go after.

What Karosis said here also made me uneasy. Going for someone who seems non-committal, not someone who hasn't posted but someone who is not making waves? It is day one. Day one generally does not see very many strong cases and it can be understandable then why people are non-committal, many are even though they vote a certain player on day one. I'm not saying non-commital players do not warrant attention but I think that they become more apparent and more likely to be scum or role later in the game. On day one it can be a combination of not much to comment on, weak cases and time constraints. I think going after that on day one makes it just as likely to hit town.

How often do we hit scum on Day 1? Almost never, and yet we still persist with the idea that going for vocal players on day 1 is the way forward. Why should we persist in this irrational behaviour?

You say being non-committal is understandable inno behaviour on Day 1, but you are looking at this the wrong way. We should be trying to find scum, not avoid hitting innos. If you are town, you should not be complaining about having nothing to go on, you should be trying to do something about that lack.

[Karosis]

Barghast, on 13 March 2012 - 07:14 PM, said:

Karosis, on 13 March 2012 - 07:08 PM, said:

Interesting stuff on Rashan. I personally don't find early role spec to be all that much of a scum tell, but worth bearing in mind.

The one who caught my attention was actually Kalse. His first post felt like he was trying too hard:

Kalse, on 13 March 2012 - 04:37 PM, said:

And So I arrive to a scene of poetry, innuendos and poorly executed Haikus. How far our mighty court has fallen. How do we expect to make any money with such drivel. Calligraphy is where it's at. Left handed Calligraphy is all the rage these days! So I give to you my gift. The most excellent calligraphy in the land. All for the glory of the empire!

He starts off with an off-the-cuff summary, which always triggers my warning flags, and then he proceeds to try and continue the RP, but in a manner that feels forced. It's almost as if he was saying to himself: "I must blend in with the other RPers!" as he typed it.

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Vote Kalse

Are you perhaps making a suggestion that his summary should be interpreted as a list?



for was it not said by a great thinker that "Those who harbour dark thoughts revel in their dreams of engaging in lusful actions with lists?"

Who cares about whether or not it's a list? No, I mean that an easy way of appearing to be keeping on the ball is to be a summariser. It makes you sound more contentful even though you're not really adding any value to the discussion.

[Kalse]

Karosis, on 13 March 2012 - 07:08 PM, said:

Interesting stuff on Rashan. I personally don't find early role spec to be all that much of a scum tell, but worth bearing in mind.

The one who caught my attention was actually Kalse. His first post felt like he was trying too hard:

Kalse, on 13 March 2012 - 04:37 PM, said:

And So I arrive to a scene of poetry, innuendos and poorly executed Haikus. How far our mighty court has fallen. How do we expect to make any money with such drivel. Calligraphy is where it's at. Left handed Calligraphy is all the rage these days! So I give to you my gift. The most excellent calligraphy in the land. All for the glory of the empire!

He starts off with an off-the-cuff summary, which always triggers my warning flags, and then he proceeds to try and continue the RP, but in a manner that feels forced. It's almost as if he was saying to himself: "I must blend in with the other RPers!" as he typed it.

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Vote Kalse

My RP was forced?

You are trying to hard, have people hit a nerve with you regarding the swaying of the Rashan tide perhaps?

[Kalse]

Karosis, on 13 March 2012 - 07:22 PM, said:

Barghast, on 13 March 2012 - 07:14 PM, said:

Karosis, on 13 March 2012 - 07:08 PM, said:

Interesting stuff on Rashan. I personally don't find early role spec to be all that much of a scum tell, but worth bearing in mind.

The one who caught my attention was actually Kalse. His first post felt like he was trying too hard:

Kalse, on 13 March 2012 - 04:37 PM, said:

And So I arrive to a scene of poetry, innuendos and poorly executed Haikus. How far our mighty court has fallen. How do we expect to make any money with such drivel. Calligraphy is where it's at. Left handed Calligraphy is all the rage these days! So I give to you my gift. The most excellent calligraphy in the land. All for the glory of the empire!

He starts off with an off-the-cuff summary, which always triggers my warning flags, and then he proceeds to try and continue the RP, but in a manner that feels forced. It's almost as if he was saying to himself: "I must blend in with the other RPers!" as he typed it.

Remove Vote
Vote Kalse

Are you perhaps making a suggestion that his summary should be interpreted as a list?



for was it not said by a great thinker that "Those who harbour dark thoughts revel in their dreams of engaging in lusful actions with lists?"

Who cares about whether or not it's a list? No, I mean that an easy way of appearing to be keeping on the ball is to be a summariser. It makes you sound more contentful even though you're not really adding any value to the discussion.

It was my first post of the game... on page 1 of day 1. What ball am i trying to keep on top of?

You really are trying to hard.

[Kalse]

Rashan, on 13 March 2012 - 06:48 PM, said:

I might linger for a few hours, maybe something interesting will come of this conversation. I stand by my current vote, Fener has betrayed us many times in the past, best to rid ourselves of him now.

Another ping on my radar here. You are trying to pass off a Fener vote as substantial, when he hasn't even voted and the draws are random. Odd that you would choose to stand by a vote like this. Not sure if this would make you more or less apt to be scum, but i find it weird.

[Rashan]

No you're weird.

[Kalse]

Karosis, on 13 March 2012 - 01:53 PM, said:

Silanah, on 13 March 2012 - 01:50 PM, said:

Bow deeper!

Don't do that, the boat will sink! /nautical joke

Here is Karosis' first post of the game. See folks, he's trying to keep on top of the ball here, sucking up to the only known inno. There is no substance in this post, and it seems like he is just trying too hard to fit in.

[Kalse]

Rashan, on 13 March 2012 - 07:32 PM, said:

No you're weird.

Touche' salesman

[Olar Ethil]

Karosis, on 13 March 2012 - 07:20 PM, said:

Olar Ethil, on 13 March 2012 - 07:04 PM, said:

I've also been getting a certain vibe from Rashan, from almost their first post, there is just a scummy feeling to him. As far as discussing mechanics goes though it doesn't seem overly involved though, still, i'll defintly be paying attention there.

Karosis, on 13 March 2012 - 04:48 PM, said:

Kalse, on 13 March 2012 - 04:38 PM, said:

Karosis, on 13 March 2012 - 04:22 PM, said:

Rashan, on 13 March 2012 - 04:13 PM, said:

Well I'm bored. Shall we lynch someone, then?

Oh dear, Fener is in this game. Goodbye, old enemy.

Vote Fener

Ah, good old Fener'eal disease. Not a bad pick.

Personally I want to lynch someone who is trying to keep a low profile. Make a change from the standard "lynch both sides of the first shouting match to appear" paradigm.

underlined made me chuckle/

Hard to lynch a low profiler on day one as its diffucult to determine who hasn't checked in/ the game started at a weird hour for them, between those laying low.

Ah, but there's a difference between people who are not posting much and people who are laying low. I mean, you're not going to lynch someone who has said nothing, but someone who posts but is non-committal...those you can go after.

What Karosis said here also made me uneasy. Going for someone who seems non-committal, not someone who hasn't posted but someone who is not making waves? It is day one. Day one generally does not see very many strong cases and it can be understandable then why people are non-committal, many are even though they vote a certain player on day one. I'm not saying non-commital players do not warrant attention but I think that they become more apparent and more likely to be scum or role later in the game. On day one it can be a combination of not much to comment on, weak cases and time constraints. I think going after that on day one makes it just as likely to hit town.

How often do we hit scum on Day 1? Almost never, and yet we still persist with the idea that going for vocal players on day 1 is the way forward. Why should we persist in this irrational behaviour?

You say being non-committal is understandable inno behaviour on Day 1, but you are looking at this the wrong way. We should be trying to find scum, not avoid hitting innos. If you are town, you should not be complaining about having nothing to go on, you should be trying to do something about that lack.

Yes but on day one there is usually scant little and the reasons and cases are almost always bullshit, and wrong. It is not always vocal players that are lynched either, or not ones that were massively vocal before being targeted, sometimes it is for a small exchange, a joke etc. I am not suggesting we should lynch a vocal player but that it seems considering it is day one and people generally don't fully kick into gear at this point that going after someone who is seen as non-commital is at this point more likely to hit a town player. That player hasn't had a massively volume of posts and isn't saying something out there, lets lynch them, just seems strange. Which is the way what you said came across to me, even if you didn't mean it as such. Also, some people generally have less agressive play styles which against more aggressive ones may seem non-commital.

Also by that reasoning it is just as sensible to go after an actual low poster as opposed to a mild one.

[Barghast]

I am being called away on crucial business, and I shall not return for many. hours.

[Silanah]

I am back

[Rashan]

Welcome back, Emperor. I have returned as well. The sun is fantastic today, I was forced to replace three of my palanquin bearers because of the heat!

[Rashan]

Evidently we tire of speech. Very well then, I will be gone again.

[Atrahal]

I'm reading up your worshipfulness, if ye be here.

My profusiest of apologies for my lack of posting after the first one, but my calligraphy pen broke and I was unable to write more communiques until after it had been put back together. Right now, I will read up all these various messages which have reached us in the meantime.

[Silanah]

6 anons and no one doing anything? Gah. I tire of this

[Silanah]

Atrahal, on 13 March 2012 - 08:49 PM, said:

I'm reading up your worshipfulness, if ye be here.

My profusiest of apologies for my lack of posting after the first one, but my calligraphy pen broke and I was unable to write more communiques until after it had been put back together. Right now, I will read up all these various messages which have reached us in the meantime.

Apologies. X-post

[Ruse]

Shall we now only
speak with pen and poetry
like in times of old?

Alas, it must be -
I can only see My Lord
through his commands.

How now, brown cow, shall
we continue in our search
for evillest scum?

Only, I say, through
hunting lying liars, who
manifest in speech.

[Atrahal]

Silanah, on 13 March 2012 - 08:51 PM, said:

Atrahal, on 13 March 2012 - 08:49 PM, said:

I'm reading up your worshipfulness, if ye be here.

My profusiest of apologies for my lack of posting after the first one, but my calligraphy pen broke and I was unable to write more communiques until after it had been put back together. Right now, I will read up all these various messages which have reached us in the meantime.

Apologies. X-post

My lord emperor is far too kind. But please, never apologise, for you are the emperor, and the emperor does not make mistakes. We servants make mistakes by doing correct things at inappropriate times.

[Atrahal]

Well, I'm glad that my Rashan case is being seriously considered. Whether the role spec is specific or general (as Rashan argues) I believe makes no difference. Rashan is still talking about something which, for now at least, only the out and out scum really know anything concrete about. And yes, I'm a firm believer in those who know something being keen to put it out on thread, or lead conversation down that avenue, exactly because that's what they know something about and so can feel confident in talking about it, even if they're lacing their contributions with 'maybes' 'possiblys' and the like.


I was also interested to see Tellan and Barghast defend Rashan - not saying it's damning, but something I'd keep an eye on. Here's Tellan.

Tellan, on 13 March 2012 - 06:09 PM, said:

People seem quick to hop on the bandwagon with Rashan.

It's possible I suppose, but seems just like setting RP to me...

Barghast is perhaps more interesting, in that he not only defends, but then also quickly latches on to the next proposed case, and tries to continue conversation about that instead. I realise his 'list' reference was a jest, rather than serious discussion of the other case, but it's still leading the conversation somewhere else.

Barghast, on 13 March 2012 - 06:48 PM, said:

Serc, on 13 March 2012 - 06:37 PM, said:

Tellan, on 13 March 2012 - 06:31 PM, said:

Serc, on 13 March 2012 - 06:14 PM, said:

Tellan, on 13 March 2012 - 06:09 PM, said:

People seem quick to hop on the bandwagon with Rashan.

It's possible I suppose, but seems just like setting RP to me...

discussing mechanics is not RP, imo

I can't really see anything in his posts that I would describe as properly discussing mechanics though.

discussing mechanic = vague Maybe role speculation would be more accurate

It still seems odd to me. I am unsure I would characterise Rashan's behaviour as "role specualtion". He certianly seems willing to engage in such speculatoin. His attempts to date, however, seem to be more of an invitation to engage in such disussion, rather than providing any actual speculations.
It certainly merits attention, but I would refrain from hasty actions at this time.

Barghast, on 13 March 2012 - 07:14 PM, said:

Karosis, on 13 March 2012 - 07:08 PM, said:

Interesting stuff on Rashan. I personally don't find early role spec to be all that much of a scum tell, but worth bearing in mind.

The one who caught my attention was actually Kalse. His first post felt like he was trying too hard:

Kalse, on 13 March 2012 - 04:37 PM, said:

And So I arrive to a scene of poetry, innuendos and poorly executed Haikus. How far our mighty court has fallen. How do we expect to make any money with such drivel. Calligraphy is where it's at. Left handed Calligraphy is all the rage these days! So I give to you my gift. The most excellent calligraphy in the land. All for the glory of the empire!

He starts off with an off-the-cuff summary, which always triggers my warning flags, and then he proceeds to try and continue the RP, but in a manner that feels forced. It's almost as if he was saying to himself: "I must blend in with the other RPers!" as he typed it.

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Vote Kalse

Are you perhaps making a suggestion that his summary should be interpreted as a list?



for was it not said by a great thinker that "Those who harbour dark thoughts revel in their dreams of engaging in lusful actions with lists?"