[Thyrllan]

ok, Merrid - I have to admit now that my estimation of your scumminess has decreased proportionately to my dislike for Anthras. Your comments about him ring true.



Lynches must happen, but my desire to avoid lynching an inno has been misinterpreted as a desire to protect or even avoid a lynch altogether. There was no signalling from me on Day 1.



Allow me to dispel this error of sympage



Vote Anthras

[Atrahal]

Crap. Sorry I have been coasting, I have had rehearsals nonstop this week, but that's still no excuse.

The three that seem most scummy to me atm are Anthras, Thyr, and Kara.

Anthras: Vote-hopping, see above
Thyr: Kara actually gave a good case for him, I've been thinking about it
Kara: Mosty gut feeling. Has been a propogater of all of the lynch cases (all inno), while play has been not scummy, I'm beginning to think that Kara is either a highly deceptive scum or just a Helpful inno.
Also, GL hasn't said much lately. Another gut feeling. (Sorry, not very helpful.)

Wish I could state these better, They may seem random, but like I said, I've been crunched for time. If these thoughts seem undeveloped (they are, imo), then that is because I have had progressively less and less opportunity to peruse the pages for evidence. Sorry.

Everyone start talking! (sorry, hypocritical.)

[Galayn Lord]

Yep, I'm useless and I wish I could help it. I agree with Atrahal that lack of discussion is killing us and if anything loses the game for town, that will be it (again...hypocrisy). I SWEAR I will do a reread, post, and vote before timeout today. Honest. To. God.

[Korabas]

After read up:
Merrid: Not much of a Thyrllan: Symp or spazzing townie.
read on right now
GL: I know could have had RL issues, but will be suspicious if "reread and vote before timeout" doesnt happen today.
Atrahal: I understand the rehearsal issues, I've had the same issues, but he will be suspicious if he doesnt post again tonight.
Kara: Either helpful townie or scum MoM.
Anthras: Not likely as killer to me right now because were he a killer he would have had either a stronger or angrier defence when he was L-1 (I think) yesterday, though you can never be sure.

[Thyrllan]

Nobody even said whether I was insane for thinking Merrid, Korlat, & Kara was scum team. I was wrong about Korlat being a killer. What about the others?



At Korabas - nice list

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 4. 7 hours and 17 minutes remaining
7 Players still alive: Anthras, Atrahal, Galayn Lord, Karatallid, Korabas, Merrid, Thyrllan

4 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Anthras ( Merrid, Thyrllan )

Players not voted: Anthras, Atrahal, Galayn Lord, Karatallid, Korabas

[Thyrllan]

Any body feel like speculating on what the odd role that JLV put in here might be? The has been very little role spec in this game, maybe thats a newb thing.

[Path-Shaper]

You won't guess it.

Btw, Dinivan is going to be busy around day time out, and I'll be asleep, so either figure stuff out 2 or 3 hours early, or you may have to be without PS vote counts for a bit.

[Thyrllan]

Im done for today, time to go home

[Karatallid]

Merrid, on 07 March 2012 - 10:43 PM, said:

I have spent the last hour or so doing a full re-read. I have a lot to say, so I wont quote herre, but if there is something in particular you want me to quote I can go back and find it.

The first thing I noticed was that Thyr is very non-committal, he'll quote posts and say "something about this feels off to me", "this feels scummy to me", and of course the "does anyone think we should let night go without a lynch?". Even his vote on Korlat is very vague. Although Korlat has been participating a lot in the last few days he quotes nothing that strikes him as suspicious, and doesn't say at all why he is voting for Korlat, apart from gut and unidentified suspicions. This is strange, as the whole game he has emphasised that he doesn't want innocents to be lynched, and will refuse to vote for those he thinks innocent, even though a lynch is better for town in the end than no lynch. Half way through day three he claims he is going to look at lynch trains because that should help us figure out who is "getting innocents lynched", comments on the inconsistency from Path-Shaper and then leaves.

He has also answered weakly to any cases made against him. His defence always consists of bluster, followed by redirections. Karatallid's case on him day one was answered with questions (why would you vote for me? I haven't even voted for you yet. Have you even said anything else in this game?) followed by redirection on to the suspicions building at the time. The accusations Korabas brings against him on day one get the same treatment, as do the questions around his "no lynch" comment. He claims he would have argued against it, is not trying to derail the lynch, etc. etc. (Does this sound familiar? He does the same thing with his Korlat vote), and then says "give the collective some credit" - if you don't think "the collective" would have fallen for it, why even suggest it?

He also seems very decisive about who he thinks is innocent and who he thinks is scum. "I don't get a scum vibe from Anthras", We can hope that Alkend was a symp but don't hold your breath" and his attack on Korlat.

I think Thyr is scummy as fuck BUT all this stirring up the thread, dropping stuff down right before a lynch and being certain on the allegiance of people is far more characteristic of a symp than a killer.

Thyr must be symping Anthras. His attack on Korlat was put at a time when Kesso and Anthras were getting about the same amount of heat. Neither of them have had any serious interaction until today, which is strange as both have had cases on them, but neither have commented on the other's case, except when Thyr stated he didn't get a scummy vibe from Anthras. Now Anthras has picked up that Thyr's vote before last night could be traced back to him and he is frantically distancing himself in the hope that Thyr will be lynched instead of him.

Anthras has definitely been coasting, the only content posts of his before today were summaries of the suspicions on other players. He almost never addresses the suspicions laid against himself. His flip-flopping on votes last night was strange, especially his vote on Thyr, which he removed as soon as he was called on it. This mirrors the voting on day one, where Thyr voted Anthras and then removed it pretty much immediately, even though he said he wasn't convinced by Anthras' argument. I generally think day one signalling cases are BS, but this kind of mirroring is highly suspicious.

In my opinion there is no point in going after the symp. His CF will tell us nothing, and it won't stop the night kills. It's time to aim for the killer.

vote Anthras

Now this Thyr is a solid piece of work.

I have been waiting for Anthras to produce and still nothing of consequence, mostly just tagging behind larger more complex posts and laying low. With that role guessing comment, I would have almost voted for Thyr, but Merrid is right. Thyr is a distraction; Anthras has tentatively played seriously, trying to get the balance of spam and content correct (a gestalt of what has been said about him). And I think potentially he is backing off in hopes of making it to the next day while Thyr screams for a lynch.

Now if we lynch Anthras, do we get the single killer and win the game? Or do we have to weed out the symps too PS? That is if it is a single killer with two symps and not a paired scum with symp (which seem to be the rational number of scum).

I will hold my vote for a little while so as not to get us to L-1. We still have 6 hours left more or less, correct?

[Karatallid]

So really we are waiting for votes and GL to do his famed read up. And I just sit here, when somebody decides to talk to me...

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 4. 6 hours and 28 minutes remaining
7 Players still alive: Anthras, Atrahal, Galayn Lord, Karatallid, Korabas, Merrid, Thyrllan

4 votes to lynch, 4 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Anthras ( Merrid, Thyrllan )

Players not voted: Anthras, Atrahal, Galayn Lord, Karatallid, Korabas

[Korabas]

I'm here Kara but not much to discuss

[Korabas]

Ahh crap I just realized time out is at 2 am my time so I'll probably have to lay down a vote within the hour.

[Karatallid]

Well, for one thing, it would be nice if we nailed a single killer and won the game, but I'm not sure JLV would have set it up with such an easy win condition (one accidental day one lynch and hooray!!! we win). So let's say we nailed the symp(s), right? Right now, ironically, the safest thing to be is a symp. In fact, the whole game has been like that, so anyone who figures that out can just ride free and clear (we don't want the symp we want the killer).

And that is pretty much the meat behind cases, who's connected with who. So back to Anthras and Thyr. Firstly, what the heck was the Korlat vote about? I mean really, that was left field par excellence. And then today the craziness continues as Thyr continues to spam the thread with stereotypical no-nos (you don't ask for town roles, because scum are looking for a good target and a revealed townie is a perfect bullseye).

This all just an itch out of reach. If Thyr is connected to Anthras, why is Thyr the second one on the vote, and why does he stir up trouble. The more he looks like a distraction, the more he hides in plain sight.

Remember my first case? It was against Thyr. At that time, I pointed out how Thyr looked helpful, played non-committally, poked and prodded but never pushed. In the whole game, the only case he made was on Korlat iirc.

So why is he still here?

[Karatallid]

It's D-day or the day before D-day. Anthras is an easy choice, and possibly the right one. But Thyr symped Tiam at one point (good case pardner) and Tiam is dead.

I was looking back at day 1, and was thinking that the trio in my mind was Tiam, Merrid, and Thyr. Two of those have voted for Anthras. Maybe a coincidence? But right now, a killer pair can get a lynch train going pretty fast.

[Karatallid]

That's kind of what I wanted to discuss. I mean yes we have given Anthras freedom time after time, and even have brought him to the brink of lynching. Annoying, unfinished business. But he isn't playing that well. He isn't suddenly becoming suave after that massive character profile post. He just acts scummier, maybe unintentionally, but I sure as hell liked him for a lynch today.

I'll hammer if you want to vote Anthras (since I'm doubting GL will even show up, the bastard), but that is why I continue to hesitate.

[Karatallid]

And also, Korabas, didn't you have a serious hard-on for Anthras? What changed? I expected you to be leading the charge like last time, and instead you looked into Thyr.

[Karatallid]

Echo?

Echo, echo, echo, echo, ..., ...

[Korabas]

Sorry, distractions.

I originally was convinced Anthras was scum, and am still suspicious, but the way he responded to the case and the fact that unlike most scum ive seen in my limited experience, he reacted more like a resigned townie, not like a scum desperate to survive (killer), which changed my gut feeling a bit, causing me to reconsider,
(also, i did post this a few posts ago.)