[Tiamatha]

Karatallid, on 01 March 2012 - 11:39 AM, said:

Tiamatha, on 01 March 2012 - 11:34 AM, said:

Karatallid, on 29 February 2012 - 09:53 PM, said:

Why does faking being a newbie make one vote worthy? We have others who are going for a newb appearance (like Anthras with asking how to bold) and one person who is announcing himself as a Vet (GL).

Nah, I think a person trying to blend in looks more like Thyr, lots of posting, voting once and promptly removing his vote, helpfully responding when ever he can (conversing about multiquoting, and the all-telling asking a lot of questions), or and throwing out suspicions left and right like candy without laying down a case or long standing vote.

I mean, who do you think we should vote for Thyr?

Vote Thyr

This is the post that makes me look more closely at Kara. I had posted my case on Okaros which I believed in and had analysed but kara comes on, disregards it and votes Thyrllan for trying to blend in. Maybe Thyrllan is scum but this case is shoddy at best. At least I picked out some irregularities with Okaros. You just wanted to provide a different option other than Okaros. Now if we believe Okaros to be town and part of a lover pair with Korabas then why would you defend Okaros if you did not know his allegiance? The only way I can see it is that you know Okaros is town is because you are scum and by defending town who will cf as innocent you look innocent by association.

But here's the thing Tiam: you spend two multiquoted posts pointing out Okaros' vacillation between veteran and newbie, but I really didn't see any other reasoning to your case. Frankly man, like all other day 1 cases it was weak, though a little weaker than most. Just because you have a lot of quotes with a comment interspersed here and there doesn't make your case deep and insightful, worthy of a detailed analysis. I commented on the only substance of your case and then moved onto my observations.

because he was caught out in a lie. scum lie town don't. if a town member lies he makes it easier for scum. Saying i'm a noob I do not know how to multiquote yet I played the last game and know a lot of mafia folklore is as close to scummy as I saw at the time. your picking of Thyr was based as what and why not the others playing like him?

[Karatallid]

Tiamatha, on 01 March 2012 - 11:42 AM, said:

Karatallid, on 01 March 2012 - 11:28 AM, said:

This is what I noted when looking over Tiam's case and post case commentary. So as I said, Tiam has had tunnel vision with regards to Okaros up to this point. I was even surprised when Tiam didn't comment on Thyr's initial sputtering "defense" against my case against him (which, to remind you all, was not answering the accusations followed by a little redirection).

However, Merrid's small exchange with Thyr warranted a commentary and even a pun emphasized with an underlined Merrid.

Merrid, on 29 February 2012 - 09:39 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on 29 February 2012 - 09:31 PM, said:

Merrid, on 29 February 2012 - 09:29 PM, said:

Thyrllan, on 29 February 2012 - 09:05 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 29 February 2012 - 08:53 PM, said:

Merrid, on 29 February 2012 - 08:50 PM, said:

checking in! and I see the dragon secks has beena bit of a fizzer. is it srs time already?

wow i was just thinking about you i was going to vote you randomly out of the ones alkend just listed but then i had a think about it and decided to give you another 12 hours or so

wow what kind of signaling is this?

that it's the stupidest signalling case I've ever seen. might as well accuse you of signalling with your 'pardner'comment!

I can make a stupider one for you, don't test me

do it then. all you will show is that you can pull cases out your butt.if it's a stupid case you won't convince anyone I'm scum, you will just destroy your own credibility

Tiamatha, on 29 February 2012 - 10:22 PM, said:

I'm out for a little while, I see no Merrid in the voting for Merrid yet the whole exchange between Kara and Okaros is what has my full attention at the moment.

see what I did there ^

So while we are bringing up connections, why did you go out of your way to comment on Merrid, who actually wasn't receiving that much heat and was linked to you by one of Thyr's many random accusations?

I typed up a post at this stage with Vote Merrid. I then reviewed what I wrote and it didn't wash but just as I deleted the post Merrid posted so therefore I commented on it. If you believe I was signalling Merrid then vote for Merrid rather than flap around. Why would the killers communicate on day one? I see no reason for them to. We have 11 players do we not? 1 lynch and 1 kill takes us down to 9. So better for them to hide and let us lynch each other no? Therefore the reason I was looking at Okaros was because he was trying to hide but failing. I am still unsure whether or not to believe Korabas.

Jeeze Tiam. Are you listening (reading) yourself? Did I say you were a killer pair? Why do you assume this when you went at great lengths to say I was defending Okaros? So a symp-killer connection between you and merrid is stupid, but the connection between me and Okaros makes sense? Good lord man. I'm sensing a little scrambling going on here.

And as for voting for Merrid, I am not convinced of anything yet. I'm sticking with Thyr because, as I stated, he seems to be trying to cruise through day one looking like a helpful, non-low poster, with the inconsistency of not actually committing to anything and doing a piss-poor job of defending himself (not even directly answering accusations but OMGUSing and deflecting instead).

I swear you want me to vote for you instead...

[Tiamatha]

Okay say i'm wrong about you and you are town. Say Korabas isn't lying and him and Okaros are town lovers.



That leaves 9 players left (just looked again at the OP there are 13 players playing).


Alkend, Anthras, Atrahal, Barghast, Galayn Lord, Karatallid, Kessobahn, Korabas, Korlat, Merrid, Okaros, Thyrllan, Tiamatha



I am willing to give Okaros and Korabas a pass for a few days but if then if they are still alive i will be very doubtful of the reveal.



No one else has caught my attention, so i'll have to have a read through of current cases and see if anyone stands out. Korlat has not posted yet. Maybe she will be Modkilled. So i'll leave her be for now.

[Karatallid]

Tiamatha, on 01 March 2012 - 11:46 AM, said:

Karatallid, on 01 March 2012 - 11:39 AM, said:

Tiamatha, on 01 March 2012 - 11:34 AM, said:

Karatallid, on 29 February 2012 - 09:53 PM, said:

Why does faking being a newbie make one vote worthy? We have others who are going for a newb appearance (like Anthras with asking how to bold) and one person who is announcing himself as a Vet (GL).

Nah, I think a person trying to blend in looks more like Thyr, lots of posting, voting once and promptly removing his vote, helpfully responding when ever he can (conversing about multiquoting, and the all-telling asking a lot of questions), or and throwing out suspicions left and right like candy without laying down a case or long standing vote.

I mean, who do you think we should vote for Thyr?

Vote Thyr

This is the post that makes me look more closely at Kara. I had posted my case on Okaros which I believed in and had analysed but kara comes on, disregards it and votes Thyrllan for trying to blend in. Maybe Thyrllan is scum but this case is shoddy at best. At least I picked out some irregularities with Okaros. You just wanted to provide a different option other than Okaros. Now if we believe Okaros to be town and part of a lover pair with Korabas then why would you defend Okaros if you did not know his allegiance? The only way I can see it is that you know Okaros is town is because you are scum and by defending town who will cf as innocent you look innocent by association.

But here's the thing Tiam: you spend two multiquoted posts pointing out Okaros' vacillation between veteran and newbie, but I really didn't see any other reasoning to your case. Frankly man, like all other day 1 cases it was weak, though a little weaker than most. Just because you have a lot of quotes with a comment interspersed here and there doesn't make your case deep and insightful, worthy of a detailed analysis. I commented on the only substance of your case and then moved onto my observations.

because he was caught out in a lie. scum lie town don't. if a town member lies he makes it easier for scum. Saying i'm a noob I do not know how to multiquote yet I played the last game and know a lot of mafia folklore is as close to scummy as I saw at the time. your picking of Thyr was based as what and why not the others playing like him?

And where did he say, "Oops, sorry guys, I do know how to multipost. I was just trying to look like a newbie." ? Tiam, you had some good thoughts about inconsistencies in Okaros' posts but there were several other people doing similar things as I pointed out much earlier in my posts. It was a bad case, and now we have a conundrum of trying to figure out it Korabas and Okaros are indeed town or if they are ballsy scum.

I'm going to wait and see what others say about you, Okaros, Korabas and myself, but for now I will leave my vote on Thyr, esp. since if we are to get a lynch today, we will probably vote for the best of the current cases (unless someone posts another case really soon so we have time to collect votes before time out).

I've got to go too, which sucks cause we were having such a good conversation Tiam .

Cheers.

[Tiamatha]

Karatallid, on 01 March 2012 - 11:56 AM, said:

Tiamatha, on 01 March 2012 - 11:46 AM, said:

Karatallid, on 01 March 2012 - 11:39 AM, said:

Tiamatha, on 01 March 2012 - 11:34 AM, said:

Karatallid, on 29 February 2012 - 09:53 PM, said:

Why does faking being a newbie make one vote worthy? We have others who are going for a newb appearance (like Anthras with asking how to bold) and one person who is announcing himself as a Vet (GL).

Nah, I think a person trying to blend in looks more like Thyr, lots of posting, voting once and promptly removing his vote, helpfully responding when ever he can (conversing about multiquoting, and the all-telling asking a lot of questions), or and throwing out suspicions left and right like candy without laying down a case or long standing vote.

I mean, who do you think we should vote for Thyr?

Vote Thyr

This is the post that makes me look more closely at Kara. I had posted my case on Okaros which I believed in and had analysed but kara comes on, disregards it and votes Thyrllan for trying to blend in. Maybe Thyrllan is scum but this case is shoddy at best. At least I picked out some irregularities with Okaros. You just wanted to provide a different option other than Okaros. Now if we believe Okaros to be town and part of a lover pair with Korabas then why would you defend Okaros if you did not know his allegiance? The only way I can see it is that you know Okaros is town is because you are scum and by defending town who will cf as innocent you look innocent by association.

But here's the thing Tiam: you spend two multiquoted posts pointing out Okaros' vacillation between veteran and newbie, but I really didn't see any other reasoning to your case. Frankly man, like all other day 1 cases it was weak, though a little weaker than most. Just because you have a lot of quotes with a comment interspersed here and there doesn't make your case deep and insightful, worthy of a detailed analysis. I commented on the only substance of your case and then moved onto my observations.

because he was caught out in a lie. scum lie town don't. if a town member lies he makes it easier for scum. Saying i'm a noob I do not know how to multiquote yet I played the last game and know a lot of mafia folklore is as close to scummy as I saw at the time. your picking of Thyr was based as what and why not the others playing like him?

And where did he say, "Oops, sorry guys, I do know how to multipost. I was just trying to look like a newbie." ? Tiam, you had some good thoughts about inconsistencies in Okaros' posts but there were several other people doing similar things as I pointed out much earlier in my posts. It was a bad case, and now we have a conundrum of trying to figure out it Korabas and Okaros are indeed town or if they are ballsy scum.

I'm going to wait and see what others say about you, Okaros, Korabas and myself, but for now I will leave my vote on Thyr, esp. since if we are to get a lynch today, we will probably vote for the best of the current cases (unless someone posts another case really soon so we have time to collect votes before time out).

I've got to go too, which sucks cause we were having such a good conversation Tiam .

Cheers.

It wouldn't be ballsy scum, it could be last chance defence from Korabas OR a clever move from Korabas. He PI's himself knowing Okaros is innocent. Fuck!!


I might even suggest lynching Okaros anyway to get his Cf. If he comes across innocent then we have the PI of Korabas. Our healer protects him and we decide on who is next tomorrow.

[Tiamatha]

I want to see what other people say on the matters that have been raised. We also need the numbers on and around to lynch whomever we eventually decide we are lynching. Back soon

[Thyrllan]

I'm back

Day 1 reveal, eh not too sure what I think about that

I see no mention of codes or proof, but it would explain why Korabas jumped on Kara's attempt to paint me with the old scum brush


@ Kara - since you continue to bark at me, I'm going to have to go back and see how I failed to answer your accusations and try to do better.

[Alkend]

All righty, I'm back and caught up. I don't think much of this supposed reveal. I see no proof that they are lovers so it could be that Korabas is the symp. I'm leaving my vote where it stands for now.

[Tiamatha]

I took my vote away so that scum could not hammer without us discussing it first



so what do you make of it?

[Tiamatha]

Can we have an update pretty please PS

[Thyrllan]

Guys, if you want to remain sane, don't read the Vet thread, those guys are throwing spam like it's a job


I'm on the fence about the reveal, haven't really thought it through yet.

[Alkend]

Tiamatha, on 01 March 2012 - 02:20 PM, said:

I took my vote away so that scum could not hammer without us discussing it first



so what do you make of it?

Right now I feel like this "reveal" is pretty damned convenient. Korabas really hasn't had much to say until now. I think we have about as likely a case as we are going to have on day 1 for a lynch, and then as soon as it gets down to the wire, they are supposedly lovers. If you are going to reveal as lovers, why not give us some proof that you are communicating offline? If they are lovers, it would be an odd twist that they would both be killers in such a small group, but I suppose its not impossible.

[Galayn Lord]

Hmmmm..

Remove vote

for now.

Day 1 reveal...damn, this IS the noob game.

Brief thoughts before I do a reread with this in mind:

If Korabas is telling the truth about Okaros, I'd like to hear Okaros confirm it first. Have we heard from him at all since this came out? It would be pretty insane for someone to claim that if the other person wasn't going to back them up, so I need proof of this before we really go anywhere with that.

Now, let's say they agree - we either have to lynch Okaros anyway and keep our eyes on Korabas, or give them both a pretty big pass for like, ever. Because if we trust them now we can't waste time later shitting around about how they might still be suspects. So if we buy it we are essentially PIing both of them. The other reason this is bad is one I will dance around, but if they stick around, it just fucks town in the mind, because it leaves really bad possibilities open. Normally a reveal can draw the negative kind of attention we don't want, but if it doesn't it just loops us back into problem 1 again for the rest of the game.

I need a reread.

[Galayn Lord]

Alkend, on 01 March 2012 - 02:38 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 01 March 2012 - 02:20 PM, said:

I took my vote away so that scum could not hammer without us discussing it first



so what do you make of it?

Right now I feel like this "reveal" is pretty damned convenient. Korabas really hasn't had much to say until now. I think we have about as likely a case as we are going to have on day 1 for a lynch, and then as soon as it gets down to the wire, they are supposedly lovers. If you are going to reveal as lovers, why not give us some proof that you are communicating offline? If they are lovers, it would be an odd twist that they would both be killers in such a small group, but I suppose its not impossible.

What do you mean? Paired killers can almost always talk off-thread...

[Alkend]

Galayn Lord, on 01 March 2012 - 02:44 PM, said:

Alkend, on 01 March 2012 - 02:38 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 01 March 2012 - 02:20 PM, said:

I took my vote away so that scum could not hammer without us discussing it first



so what do you make of it?

Right now I feel like this "reveal" is pretty damned convenient. Korabas really hasn't had much to say until now. I think we have about as likely a case as we are going to have on day 1 for a lynch, and then as soon as it gets down to the wire, they are supposedly lovers. If you are going to reveal as lovers, why not give us some proof that you are communicating offline? If they are lovers, it would be an odd twist that they would both be killers in such a small group, but I suppose its not impossible.

What do you mean? Paired killers can almost always talk off-thread...

I mean I think that it would be odd for them to give us paired killers in this small of a group.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 1. 5 hours and 25 minutes remaining

13 Players still alive: Alkend, Anthras, Atrahal, Barghast, Galayn Lord, Karatallid, Kessobahn, Korabas, Korlat, Merrid, Okaros, Thyrllan, Tiamatha

7 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Thyrllan ( Karatallid, Korabas )
4 Votes for Okaros ( Anthras, Alkend, Merrid, Kessobahn )
1 Vote for Alkend ( Okaros )
1 Vote for Karatallid ( Tiamatha )

Players not voted: Atrahal, Barghast, Galayn Lord, Korlat, Thyrllan

[Thyrllan]

Tiamatha, on 01 March 2012 - 11:15 AM, said:

Vote Karatallid



You know Okaros is innocent so therefore your symping of him or protection of him is understandable but what about Kara's? His defence of Okaros and attack of Thyr.


Hang on a second. JLV said this was a standard M and P why would he include lovers? I'll have to go back and check on this but usually M & P includes killer and symp maybe a finder or guard or healer and that is it.



I'm much confused. You could be Okaros' symp and knowing he is the killer giving him a lifeline.


edit. this is @korabas.

Something about this post bothers me

[Galayn Lord]

Alkend, on 01 March 2012 - 02:48 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 01 March 2012 - 02:44 PM, said:

Alkend, on 01 March 2012 - 02:38 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 01 March 2012 - 02:20 PM, said:

I took my vote away so that scum could not hammer without us discussing it first



so what do you make of it?

Right now I feel like this "reveal" is pretty damned convenient. Korabas really hasn't had much to say until now. I think we have about as likely a case as we are going to have on day 1 for a lynch, and then as soon as it gets down to the wire, they are supposedly lovers. If you are going to reveal as lovers, why not give us some proof that you are communicating offline? If they are lovers, it would be an odd twist that they would both be killers in such a small group, but I suppose its not impossible.

What do you mean? Paired killers can almost always talk off-thread...

I mean I think that it would be odd for them to give us paired killers in this small of a group.

I disagree, with 13 players we could easily have paired killers and a symp, especially since the OP mentions possible town roles and potential twist in mechanics.

Actually right now I think the reveal is really, really bad and we should test it.

Let's lynch Korabas and if he's town, that will VPI Okaros (though Korabas could be symping him, it still leaves us with more and better options); if he's a killer then we have struck gold. Statistically we are probably going to end up lynching a townie on day one no matter how good our cases are, but I think that this vote will at the very least eliminate a lot of bad possibilities that will haunt us down the road.

Vote Korabas

[Galayn Lord]

Also Lovers are not a too-common role in M&P, especially in a game this size, so the implication I think is that if there really are Lovers, putting scum role possibilities off the table so soon is a mistake.

[Thyrllan]

Alkend, on 01 March 2012 - 02:48 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 01 March 2012 - 02:44 PM, said:

Alkend, on 01 March 2012 - 02:38 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 01 March 2012 - 02:20 PM, said:

I took my vote away so that scum could not hammer without us discussing it first



so what do you make of it?

Right now I feel like this "reveal" is pretty damned convenient. Korabas really hasn't had much to say until now. I think we have about as likely a case as we are going to have on day 1 for a lynch, and then as soon as it gets down to the wire, they are supposedly lovers. If you are going to reveal as lovers, why not give us some proof that you are communicating offline? If they are lovers, it would be an odd twist that they would both be killers in such a small group, but I suppose its not impossible.

What do you mean? Paired killers can almost always talk off-thread...

I mean I think that it would be odd for them to give us paired killers in this small of a group.

I agree with this


I expect 1 killer & 2 symps maybe. That would make 10 to 3.