[Path-Shaper]

GRIEF! YOU ROCK MOTHERFUCKER!

13 Players still alive: Alkend, Anthras, Atrahal, Barghast, Galayn Lord, Karatallid, Kessobahn, Korabas, Korlat, Merrid, Okaros, Thyrllan, Tiamatha

7 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Thyrllan ( Karatallid, Korabas )
4 Votes for Okaros ( Anthras, Alkend, Merrid, Kessobahn )
1 Vote for Alkend ( Okaros )
1 Vote for Karatallid ( Tiamatha )
1 Vote for Korabas ( Galayn Lord )

Players not voted: Atrahal, Barghast, Korlat, Thyrllan

[Galayn Lord]

Grief, on 01 March 2012 - 04:43 PM, said:

Also, we just got a time update so there

Yeah, we're over here revealing and making cases on day one and the spammers get updates before we do. That is some bullshit right there.

[Galayn Lord]

Path-Shaper, on 01 March 2012 - 04:46 PM, said:

GRIEF! YOU ROCK MOTHERFUCKER!

13 Players still alive: Alkend, Anthras, Atrahal, Barghast, Galayn Lord, Karatallid, Kessobahn, Korabas, Korlat, Merrid, Okaros, Thyrllan, Tiamatha

7 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Thyrllan ( Karatallid, Korabas )
4 Votes for Okaros ( Anthras, Alkend, Merrid, Kessobahn )
1 Vote for Alkend ( Okaros )
1 Vote for Karatallid ( Tiamatha )
1 Vote for Korabas ( Galayn Lord )

Players not voted: Atrahal, Barghast, Korlat, Thyrllan

So uh, how much time is left in the day?

[Alkend]

Galayn Lord, on 01 March 2012 - 04:47 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 01 March 2012 - 04:46 PM, said:

GRIEF! YOU ROCK MOTHERFUCKER!

13 Players still alive: Alkend, Anthras, Atrahal, Barghast, Galayn Lord, Karatallid, Kessobahn, Korabas, Korlat, Merrid, Okaros, Thyrllan, Tiamatha

7 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Thyrllan ( Karatallid, Korabas )
4 Votes for Okaros ( Anthras, Alkend, Merrid, Kessobahn )
1 Vote for Alkend ( Okaros )
1 Vote for Karatallid ( Tiamatha )
1 Vote for Korabas ( Galayn Lord )

Players not voted: Atrahal, Barghast, Korlat, Thyrllan

So uh, how much time is left in the day?

PS you're slipping...

[Okaros]

If you want to look at contradictions just look at these two posts by Alkend. He basically states that he doesn't believe that there are paired killers in this game then in his very next post he accusses Korabas and myself as being a set of paired killers.

Alkend, on 01 March 2012 - 02:48 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 01 March 2012 - 02:44 PM, said:

Alkend, on 01 March 2012 - 02:38 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 01 March 2012 - 02:20 PM, said:

I took my vote away so that scum could not hammer without us discussing it first



so what do you make of it?

Right now I feel like this "reveal" is pretty damned convenient. Korabas really hasn't had much to say until now. I think we have about as likely a case as we are going to have on day 1 for a lynch, and then as soon as it gets down to the wire, they are supposedly lovers. If you are going to reveal as lovers, why not give us some proof that you are communicating offline? If they are lovers, it would be an odd twist that they would both be killers in such a small group, but I suppose its not impossible.

What do you mean? Paired killers can almost always talk off-thread...

I mean I think that it would be odd for them to give us paired killers in this small of a group.

Alkend, on 01 March 2012 - 03:07 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 01 March 2012 - 02:56 PM, said:

Alkend, on 01 March 2012 - 02:48 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 01 March 2012 - 02:44 PM, said:

Alkend, on 01 March 2012 - 02:38 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 01 March 2012 - 02:20 PM, said:

I took my vote away so that scum could not hammer without us discussing it first



so what do you make of it?

Right now I feel like this "reveal" is pretty damned convenient. Korabas really hasn't had much to say until now. I think we have about as likely a case as we are going to have on day 1 for a lynch, and then as soon as it gets down to the wire, they are supposedly lovers. If you are going to reveal as lovers, why not give us some proof that you are communicating offline? If they are lovers, it would be an odd twist that they would both be killers in such a small group, but I suppose its not impossible.

What do you mean? Paired killers can almost always talk off-thread...

I mean I think that it would be odd for them to give us paired killers in this small of a group.

I disagree, with 13 players we could easily have paired killers and a symp, especially since the OP mentions possible town roles and potential twist in mechanics.

Actually right now I think the reveal is really, really bad and we should test it.

Let's lynch Korabas and if he's town, that will VPI Okaros (though Korabas could be symping him, it still leaves us with more and better options); if he's a killer then we have struck gold. Statistically we are probably going to end up lynching a townie on day one no matter how good our cases are, but I think that this vote will at the very least eliminate a lot of bad possibilities that will haunt us down the road.

Vote Korabas

The only reason why a killer would protect someone else is if the other one is a killer too, ie your paired killers. Or if Okaros is a killer then Korabas is a symp that's doing his job.
I think if we are going to lynch one of them, it has to be Okaros.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 1. 3 hours and 25 minutes remaining
13 Players still alive: Alkend, Anthras, Atrahal, Barghast, Galayn Lord, Karatallid, Kessobahn, Korabas, Korlat, Merrid, Okaros, Thyrllan, Tiamatha

7 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Thyrllan ( Karatallid, Korabas )
4 Votes for Okaros ( Anthras, Alkend, Merrid, Kessobahn )
1 Vote for Alkend ( Okaros )
1 Vote for Karatallid ( Tiamatha )
1 Vote for Korabas ( Galayn Lord )

Players not voted: Atrahal, Barghast, Korlat, Thyrllan

[Path-Shaper]

That's what you get for rushing me.

[Galayn Lord]

Okaros, on 01 March 2012 - 04:51 PM, said:

If you want to look at contradictions just look at these two posts by Alkend. He basically states that he doesn't believe that there are paired killers in this game then in his very next post he accusses Korabas and myself as being a set of paired killers.

Alkend, on 01 March 2012 - 02:48 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 01 March 2012 - 02:44 PM, said:

Alkend, on 01 March 2012 - 02:38 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 01 March 2012 - 02:20 PM, said:

I took my vote away so that scum could not hammer without us discussing it first



so what do you make of it?

Right now I feel like this "reveal" is pretty damned convenient. Korabas really hasn't had much to say until now. I think we have about as likely a case as we are going to have on day 1 for a lynch, and then as soon as it gets down to the wire, they are supposedly lovers. If you are going to reveal as lovers, why not give us some proof that you are communicating offline? If they are lovers, it would be an odd twist that they would both be killers in such a small group, but I suppose its not impossible.

What do you mean? Paired killers can almost always talk off-thread...

I mean I think that it would be odd for them to give us paired killers in this small of a group.

Alkend, on 01 March 2012 - 03:07 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 01 March 2012 - 02:56 PM, said:

Alkend, on 01 March 2012 - 02:48 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 01 March 2012 - 02:44 PM, said:

Alkend, on 01 March 2012 - 02:38 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 01 March 2012 - 02:20 PM, said:

I took my vote away so that scum could not hammer without us discussing it first



so what do you make of it?

Right now I feel like this "reveal" is pretty damned convenient. Korabas really hasn't had much to say until now. I think we have about as likely a case as we are going to have on day 1 for a lynch, and then as soon as it gets down to the wire, they are supposedly lovers. If you are going to reveal as lovers, why not give us some proof that you are communicating offline? If they are lovers, it would be an odd twist that they would both be killers in such a small group, but I suppose its not impossible.

What do you mean? Paired killers can almost always talk off-thread...

I mean I think that it would be odd for them to give us paired killers in this small of a group.

I disagree, with 13 players we could easily have paired killers and a symp, especially since the OP mentions possible town roles and potential twist in mechanics.

Actually right now I think the reveal is really, really bad and we should test it.

Let's lynch Korabas and if he's town, that will VPI Okaros (though Korabas could be symping him, it still leaves us with more and better options); if he's a killer then we have struck gold. Statistically we are probably going to end up lynching a townie on day one no matter how good our cases are, but I think that this vote will at the very least eliminate a lot of bad possibilities that will haunt us down the road.

Vote Korabas

The only reason why a killer would protect someone else is if the other one is a killer too, ie your paired killers. Or if Okaros is a killer then Korabas is a symp that's doing his job.
I think if we are going to lynch one of them, it has to be Okaros.

Um, well...sort of. That is not really that contradictory to me. He may be of the personal opinion that there aren't paired killers, but it's obviously possible, and he's explaining the reasoning for lynching your ass, which includes that possibility.

edit - also, he's responding to me, and I'm the one who said paired killers are probably, which is why he said "(i.e., your paired killers)". You are trying pretty hard not to get lynched dude.

This post has been edited by Galayn Lord: 01 March 2012 - 04:54 PM

[Galayn Lord]

Path-Shaper, on 01 March 2012 - 04:52 PM, said:

That's what you get for rushing me.

Are you blaming us for this? Oh man...

[Alkend]

Okaros, on 01 March 2012 - 04:51 PM, said:

If you want to look at contradictions just look at these two posts by Alkend. He basically states that he doesn't believe that there are paired killers in this game then in his very next post he accusses Korabas and myself as being a set of paired killers.

Alkend, on 01 March 2012 - 02:48 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 01 March 2012 - 02:44 PM, said:

Alkend, on 01 March 2012 - 02:38 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 01 March 2012 - 02:20 PM, said:

I took my vote away so that scum could not hammer without us discussing it first



so what do you make of it?

Right now I feel like this "reveal" is pretty damned convenient. Korabas really hasn't had much to say until now. I think we have about as likely a case as we are going to have on day 1 for a lynch, and then as soon as it gets down to the wire, they are supposedly lovers. If you are going to reveal as lovers, why not give us some proof that you are communicating offline? If they are lovers, it would be an odd twist that they would both be killers in such a small group, but I suppose its not impossible.

What do you mean? Paired killers can almost always talk off-thread...

I mean I think that it would be odd for them to give us paired killers in this small of a group.

Alkend, on 01 March 2012 - 03:07 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 01 March 2012 - 02:56 PM, said:

Alkend, on 01 March 2012 - 02:48 PM, said:

Galayn Lord, on 01 March 2012 - 02:44 PM, said:

Alkend, on 01 March 2012 - 02:38 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 01 March 2012 - 02:20 PM, said:

I took my vote away so that scum could not hammer without us discussing it first



so what do you make of it?

Right now I feel like this "reveal" is pretty damned convenient. Korabas really hasn't had much to say until now. I think we have about as likely a case as we are going to have on day 1 for a lynch, and then as soon as it gets down to the wire, they are supposedly lovers. If you are going to reveal as lovers, why not give us some proof that you are communicating offline? If they are lovers, it would be an odd twist that they would both be killers in such a small group, but I suppose its not impossible.

What do you mean? Paired killers can almost always talk off-thread...

I mean I think that it would be odd for them to give us paired killers in this small of a group.

I disagree, with 13 players we could easily have paired killers and a symp, especially since the OP mentions possible town roles and potential twist in mechanics.

Actually right now I think the reveal is really, really bad and we should test it.

Let's lynch Korabas and if he's town, that will VPI Okaros (though Korabas could be symping him, it still leaves us with more and better options); if he's a killer then we have struck gold. Statistically we are probably going to end up lynching a townie on day one no matter how good our cases are, but I think that this vote will at the very least eliminate a lot of bad possibilities that will haunt us down the road.

Vote Korabas

The only reason why a killer would protect someone else is if the other one is a killer too, ie your paired killers. Or if Okaros is a killer then Korabas is a symp that's doing his job.
I think if we are going to lynch one of them, it has to be Okaros.

Until you prove to me that you are lovers, I think its likely you're killer and symp. If you prove it, it is possible that you are both town, but Tiam has a point in that we can't afford to give you both a free pass for the rest of the game. You could be paired killers or paired symps. If your a townie you blew it by my thinking.

[Galayn Lord]

Also, did Grief just go and edit EVERYONE's posts who quoted P-S and replace "GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE GAME!" with "YOU ROCK MOTHERFUCKER!" .

This is dangerous territory.

[Okaros]

I've had a few minutes to actually get partially caught up on thread. Why hasn't there been more comments regarding the interaction between Kara and Tia. Kara at least has their head on straight agreeing that the bullshit case that Tia put on me is in fact bullshit.

Also why aren't more of you concerend with how fast the train built on me? I was at L-1 hours ago. Are you ignoring that fact? How could it get built up so fast. I still stand by my comment that scum had to be on my train for it to get bulit up so fast. I'm beggining to waver a bit that it was Alkend. With the interaction with Kara and Tia's obtuseness and the timing of the case I'm thinking Tia might be a symp of Anthras.

I doubt I'll have time to build a proper case but could people at least do a reread of the Kara and Tia conversation. Kara blew holes in Tias case on me better than I have been able to do at the moment.

[Alkend]

Time to head home. I'll check back up later before the time runs out in case something changes.

[Galayn Lord]

Alkend, on 01 March 2012 - 04:58 PM, said:

Until you prove to me that you are lovers, I think its likely you're killer and symp. If you prove it, it is possible that you are both town, but Tiam has a point in that we can't afford to give you both a free pass for the rest of the game. You could be paired killers or paired symps. If your a townie you blew it by my thinking.

Actually, I don't think that's quite what Tiam said:

Tiamatha, on 01 March 2012 - 11:54 AM, said:

Okay say i'm wrong about you and you are town. Say Korabas isn't lying and him and Okaros are town lovers.



That leaves 9 players left (just looked again at the OP there are 13 players playing).


Alkend, Anthras, Atrahal, Barghast, Galayn Lord, Karatallid, Kessobahn, Korabas, Korlat, Merrid, Okaros, Thyrllan, Tiamatha



I am willing to give Okaros and Korabas a pass for a few days but if then if they are still alive i will be very doubtful of the reveal.



No one else has caught my attention, so i'll have to have a read through of current cases and see if anyone stands out. Korlat has not posted yet. Maybe she will be Modkilled. So i'll leave her be for now.

I was the one who said we would have to give them a pass for the rest of the game, and I do think that is the case if we don't lynch one of them today. But looking at Tiam's post actually makes me a little suspicious of him - why would you doubt the reveal if they stay alive? The power of their role is totally and completely lost, and I hate to bring up potential scum strategies (for obvious reasons), but the ENTIRE PROBLEM of giving them a pass is that we cannot do what Tiam says and go back and revisit the reveal just because they survive a few days. This is exactly something a killer would do (or say?) - leave the lovers alive to sow this type of confusion and bring us back to bullshit day 1 reveals when we should be looking at endgame at that point. This is the noob game so I'm laying it out there even though I normally wouldn't say all of this but if we lynch Okaros or Korabas we prevent ourselves from falling into the trap Tiam seems to be laying for us.

[Galayn Lord]

Okaros, on 01 March 2012 - 05:22 PM, said:

I've had a few minutes to actually get partially caught up on thread. Why hasn't there been more comments regarding the interaction between Kara and Tia. Kara at least has their head on straight agreeing that the bullshit case that Tia put on me is in fact bullshit.

Also why aren't more of you concerend with how fast the train built on me? I was at L-1 hours ago. Are you ignoring that fact? How could it get built up so fast. I still stand by my comment that scum had to be on my train for it to get bulit up so fast. I'm beggining to waver a bit that it was Alkend. With the interaction with Kara and Tia's obtuseness and the timing of the case I'm thinking Tia might be a symp of Anthras.

I doubt I'll have time to build a proper case but could people at least do a reread of the Kara and Tia conversation. Kara blew holes in Tias case on me better than I have been able to do at the moment.

We aren't concerned because you didn't get lynched. It's DAY ONE, votes can pile up, and it doesn't mean shit until the day is done and we get a CF. I still need to reread but the train on you did not build like you are implying it did, at least from what I remember, since I was part of it at one point.

[Galayn Lord]

Tiamatha, on 01 March 2012 - 12:02 PM, said:

Karatallid, on 01 March 2012 - 11:56 AM, said:

Tiamatha, on 01 March 2012 - 11:46 AM, said:

Karatallid, on 01 March 2012 - 11:39 AM, said:

Tiamatha, on 01 March 2012 - 11:34 AM, said:

Karatallid, on 29 February 2012 - 09:53 PM, said:

Why does faking being a newbie make one vote worthy? We have others who are going for a newb appearance (like Anthras with asking how to bold) and one person who is announcing himself as a Vet (GL).

Nah, I think a person trying to blend in looks more like Thyr, lots of posting, voting once and promptly removing his vote, helpfully responding when ever he can (conversing about multiquoting, and the all-telling asking a lot of questions), or and throwing out suspicions left and right like candy without laying down a case or long standing vote.

I mean, who do you think we should vote for Thyr?

Vote Thyr

This is the post that makes me look more closely at Kara. I had posted my case on Okaros which I believed in and had analysed but kara comes on, disregards it and votes Thyrllan for trying to blend in. Maybe Thyrllan is scum but this case is shoddy at best. At least I picked out some irregularities with Okaros. You just wanted to provide a different option other than Okaros. Now if we believe Okaros to be town and part of a lover pair with Korabas then why would you defend Okaros if you did not know his allegiance? The only way I can see it is that you know Okaros is town is because you are scum and by defending town who will cf as innocent you look innocent by association.

But here's the thing Tiam: you spend two multiquoted posts pointing out Okaros' vacillation between veteran and newbie, but I really didn't see any other reasoning to your case. Frankly man, like all other day 1 cases it was weak, though a little weaker than most. Just because you have a lot of quotes with a comment interspersed here and there doesn't make your case deep and insightful, worthy of a detailed analysis. I commented on the only substance of your case and then moved onto my observations.

because he was caught out in a lie. scum lie town don't. if a town member lies he makes it easier for scum. Saying i'm a noob I do not know how to multiquote yet I played the last game and know a lot of mafia folklore is as close to scummy as I saw at the time. your picking of Thyr was based as what and why not the others playing like him?

And where did he say, "Oops, sorry guys, I do know how to multipost. I was just trying to look like a newbie." ? Tiam, you had some good thoughts about inconsistencies in Okaros' posts but there were several other people doing similar things as I pointed out much earlier in my posts. It was a bad case, and now we have a conundrum of trying to figure out it Korabas and Okaros are indeed town or if they are ballsy scum.

I'm going to wait and see what others say about you, Okaros, Korabas and myself, but for now I will leave my vote on Thyr, esp. since if we are to get a lynch today, we will probably vote for the best of the current cases (unless someone posts another case really soon so we have time to collect votes before time out).

I've got to go too, which sucks cause we were having such a good conversation Tiam .

Cheers.

It wouldn't be ballsy scum, it could be last chance defence from Korabas OR a clever move from Korabas. He PI's himself knowing Okaros is innocent. Fuck!!


I might even suggest lynching Okaros anyway to get his Cf. If he comes across innocent then we have the PI of Korabas. Our healer protects him and we decide on who is next tomorrow.

I don't like this post, it's slippery but Tiam goes off the deep end between sentences. He first lays out a potential scum plan by Korabas to PI himself by getting Okaros lynched, and then says if Okaros is lynched, Tiam is actually agreeing that Korabas is PI. And even suggests that the healer protect Korabas (if there's a healer).

Do. Not. Like.

[Galayn Lord]

So we have what, like an hour and a half left? No one else even around?

[Okaros]

I just have too much shit going on. And it seems the more I open my mouth the more trouble I get myself into. I do agree with GL that Tia looks very suspicios in my book. Alkend I'm thinking more and more seems a lazy townie.

remove vote

voteTiamatha

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 1. 1 hour and 46 minutes remaining
13 Players still alive: Alkend, Anthras, Atrahal, Barghast, Galayn Lord, Karatallid, Kessobahn, Korabas, Korlat, Merrid, Okaros, Thyrllan, Tiamatha

7 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Thyrllan ( Karatallid, Korabas )
1 Vote for Tiamatha ( Okaros )
1 Vote for Karatallid ( Tiamatha )
1 Vote for Korabas ( Galayn Lord )
4 Votes for Okaros ( Anthras, Alkend, Merrid, Kessobahn )

Players not voted: Atrahal, Barghast, Korlat, Thyrllan

Be back in an hour.

[Karatallid]

So I like the comment about Korabas becoming VPI if Okaros turns up town. I can't see any holes in the logic. Okaros confirmed the lover connection, so if Okaros turns up town we have someone who I at least would trust through the rest of the game. So actually, this could be a boon for us instead of an entire waste of time.

I'll switch my vote for this reason. The case on him is still crap, but I would like to remedy the loss of our lover pair.

Remove Vote

Vote Okaros