[Merrid]

 Kessobahn, on 01 March 2012 - 08:32 AM, said:

 Galayn Lord, on 01 March 2012 - 08:13 AM, said:

 Kessobahn, on 01 March 2012 - 08:09 AM, said:

Good, I'm not the only lonely drunkard in this thread then.

I'll vote to ensure a lynch, but I don't see any cases that really suggest anything beyond the usual day 1 stuff. But I guess that's not exactly helpful of me either.

You should be voting Okaros, that scummy d******g who is cluttering our thread with his very own self. Day 1 is day 1 but what the heck, not today it seems.

So what are the major noob rules then?

1. Don't vote night.
2. Know when to be defensive.
3. Learn to spam.
4. ????
5. Endgame and profit

I should be? That's an odd way to put it.

All I really saw of Okaros was someone who was having problems with posting. I don' t really see what pretending to be a noob in a noob's game would do for anyone.

Similarly, what good does lynching more experienced player do for town? They're only as likely as anyone else to be scum, and more likely to be able to catch scum just through having practise.

I don't know about the others, but my vote for Okaros is based on the fact that he accuses everyone who disagrees with him of being scum or being intimidated by him, and when responding to accusations blatantly ignores central parts of the argument.
I think the idea behind the noobishness or lack thereof was that his play was inconsistent, at times he was drawing attention to being new and then at other times he would display knowledge that a noob is unlikely to have. I can't see anyone here suggesting that we lynch people based on how many games they have played.

Also, sorry for the selective editing, work wont let me publish anything with swear words...

[Tiamatha]

im once again here the post count between our thread and theirs is massive but they have more players and are more familiar with each other they get to spam the shit out of thread it'd be good to see who lynches scum first

[Kessobahn]

I'm out. I'll

Vote Okaros

just in case I don't get a chance to get on again before day times out. It means he's on L-1, though I don't know that it matters too much
people seem fairly convinced that there's something going on there, which is as good a day one lynch as any.

Tiam, some form of punctuation would be appreciated

[Merrid]

 Tiamatha, on 01 March 2012 - 10:00 AM, said:

im once again here the post count between our thread and theirs is massive but they have more players and are more familiar with each other they get to spam the s**t out of thread it'd be good to see who lynches scum first

Also, have you read the rubbish they are spouting?!?

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 1. 9 hours and 58 minutes remaining

13 Players still alive: Alkend, Anthras, Atrahal, Barghast, Galayn Lord, Karatallid, Kessobahn, Korabas, Korlat, Merrid, Okaros, Thyrllan, Tiamatha

7 votes to lynch, 7 votes to go to night.

2 Votes for Thyrllan ( Karatallid, Korabas )
6 Votes for Okaros ( Anthras, Tiamatha, Alkend, Merrid, Galayn Lord, Kessobahn )
1 Vote for Alkend ( Okaros )

Players not voted: Atrahal, Barghast, Korlat, Thyrllan

[Tiamatha]

 Kessobahn, on 01 March 2012 - 10:11 AM, said:

I'm out. I'll

Vote Okaros

just in case I don't get a chance to get on again before day times out. It means he's on L-1, though I don't know that it matters too much
people seem fairly convinced that there's something going on there, which is as good a day one lynch as any.

Tiam, some form of punctuation would be appreciated

i punctuate on my cases if that is a consolation

[Tiamatha]

 Merrid, on 01 March 2012 - 10:16 AM, said:

 Tiamatha, on 01 March 2012 - 10:00 AM, said:

im once again here the post count between our thread and theirs is massive but they have more players and are more familiar with each other they get to spam the s**t out of thread it'd be good to see who lynches scum first

Also, have you read the rubbish they are spouting?!?

i have glanced over it okaros seems to be desperate and spouting anything to save himself rather than something constructive if he is town then he should realise that even if he is ri he should stay to the truth and be as honest as possible by pretending to be one thing then showing he is something else and flinging accusations left right and centre he is creating a lot of diversion for town the case for him is that town should be as open as possible and not hide behind things but also because of kara coming on and defending him if okaros is innocent then kara is scum that is how it looks how can kara be so sure to defend okaros

[Korabas]

Ok, i was debating whether or not to come out with this, but I know okaros is town. How do I know this? We are RI lovers with the ever helpful off threadcomms.If you lynch him, you will gain nothing other than a town death. If you truly don't believe and are set on voting Okaros then when he us lynched you can at the very least PI me and hopefully I'llget a heal to sirvive tonight or a find if there is a finder. That is all.

[Tiamatha]

 Korabas, on 01 March 2012 - 11:05 AM, said:

Ok, i was debating whether or not to come out with this, but I know okaros is town. How do I know this? We are RI lovers with the ever helpful off threadcomms.If you lynch him, you will gain nothing other than a town death. If you truly don't believe and are set on voting Okaros then when he us lynched you can at the very least PI me and hopefully I'llget a heal to sirvive tonight or a find if there is a finder. That is all.

you should have stayed hidden in my opinion but what is done is done, did you code it in earlier at all?



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[Karatallid]

@Tiam, I would agree now that Okaros, since you've made a case on him, is sputtering with self defense as he drowns in his own mistakes. I've seen this happen numerous times on day 1 and don't believe I've seen a scum player act this way. I mean, there is always a first time for everything.

No, what I find even more fascinating, Tiam, is your absolute boner for Okaros. You are driving a vote forward on him with tunnel vision to all other cases and proposals (except for the quick note on Merrid, which I will get to next post). Tiam it is day one, and as the veterans keep saying, Day 1 cases rarely, if ever, are good and rarely, if ever, end up nailing scum. I mean you seem pretty convinced you have the golden case that proves it all on Day 1. Know something we don't?

And to compound things, you are already arranging for Day 2. Building up accusations against me. First I'm a symp trying to save my killer-master Okaros and then more recently, as the conversations play out, you switch to the perception that I am actually scum framing town and guiding town into it's own self destruction (despite my vote and case against Thyr, who has done a remarkably shoddy job of defending himself).

So yeah, I reciprocate, and turn my attention to you dear Tiam. Why do you seem so confident Okaros is scum over all other cases and suspicious players? Esp. on Day 1.

[Tiamatha]

Vote Karatallid



You know Okaros is innocent so therefore your symping of him or protection of him is understandable but what about Kara's? His defence of Okaros and attack of Thyr.


Hang on a second. JLV said this was a standard M and P why would he include lovers? I'll have to go back and check on this but usually M & P includes killer and symp maybe a finder or guard or healer and that is it.



I'm much confused. You could be Okaros' symp and knowing he is the killer giving him a lifeline.


edit. this is @korabas.

This post has been edited by Tiamatha: 01 March 2012 - 11:17 AM

[Tiamatha]

cross post with Kara.

[Korabas]

There are normally lovers healer finder gyard or vig maybe on town

[Karatallid]

Damn Korabas. Shitty to lose that town secret advantage (of course it does make sense to reveal because being lovers provides no advantage if one of the two of you are dead).

However, if we have paired killers (or even a symp who knows his master), this is a perfect opportunity to try to CI one's self and partner/master. I will need more thought on this before I give you more credibility than anyone else.

[Tiamatha]

 Path-Shaper, on 28 February 2012 - 04:17 AM, said:

This is basic M&P, and will have basic M&P roles, with one exception. Nothing major, just a minor role I added that is a bit outside the standard M&P. (No cult).

Quote

TMDI:1 = X+Y players, X roleless innocents, Y killers
TMDI:2 = As 1, but a small number of simple roles. Eg: 12 players, 2 Killers, Symp, Healer, BP/Vig.

I suppose the undelined is what he means. Yet if other town members have something different in terms of role set up then they would know you're lying Korabas.

[Karatallid]

This is what I noted when looking over Tiam's case and post case commentary. So as I said, Tiam has had tunnel vision with regards to Okaros up to this point. I was even surprised when Tiam didn't comment on Thyr's initial sputtering "defense" against my case against him (which, to remind you all, was not answering the accusations followed by a little redirection).

However, Merrid's small exchange with Thyr warranted a commentary and even a pun emphasized with an underlined Merrid.

 Merrid, on 29 February 2012 - 09:39 PM, said:

 Thyrllan, on 29 February 2012 - 09:31 PM, said:

 Merrid, on 29 February 2012 - 09:29 PM, said:

 Thyrllan, on 29 February 2012 - 09:05 PM, said:

 Tiamatha, on 29 February 2012 - 08:53 PM, said:

 Merrid, on 29 February 2012 - 08:50 PM, said:

checking in! and I see the dragon secks has beena bit of a fizzer. is it srs time already?

wow i was just thinking about you i was going to vote you randomly out of the ones alkend just listed but then i had a think about it and decided to give you another 12 hours or so

wow what kind of signaling is this?

that it's the stupidest signalling case I've ever seen. might as well accuse you of signalling with your 'pardner'comment!

I can make a stupider one for you, don't test me

do it then. all you will show is that you can pull cases out your butt.if it's a stupid case you won't convince anyone I'm scum, you will just destroy your own credibility

 Tiamatha, on 29 February 2012 - 10:22 PM, said:

I'm out for a little while, I see no Merrid in the voting for Merrid yet the whole exchange between Kara and Okaros is what has my full attention at the moment.

see what I did there ^

So while we are bringing up connections, why did you go out of your way to comment on Merrid, who actually wasn't receiving that much heat and was linked to you by one of Thyr's many random accusations?

[Karatallid]

And btw, I love the instant vote switch to me followed by the I'll so confused statement. Classic.

[Tiamatha]

 Karatallid, on 29 February 2012 - 09:53 PM, said:

Why does faking being a newbie make one vote worthy? We have others who are going for a newb appearance (like Anthras with asking how to bold) and one person who is announcing himself as a Vet (GL).

Nah, I think a person trying to blend in looks more like Thyr, lots of posting, voting once and promptly removing his vote, helpfully responding when ever he can (conversing about multiquoting, and the all-telling asking a lot of questions), or and throwing out suspicions left and right like candy without laying down a case or long standing vote.

I mean, who do you think we should vote for Thyr?

Vote Thyr

This is the post that makes me look more closely at Kara. I had posted my case on Okaros which I believed in and had analysed but kara comes on, disregards it and votes Thyrllan for trying to blend in. Maybe Thyrllan is scum but this case is shoddy at best. At least I picked out some irregularities with Okaros. You just wanted to provide a different option other than Okaros. Now if we believe Okaros to be town and part of a lover pair with Korabas then why would you defend Okaros if you did not know his allegiance? The only way I can see it is that you know Okaros is town is because you are scum and by defending town who will cf as innocent you look innocent by association.

[Karatallid]

 Tiamatha, on 01 March 2012 - 11:34 AM, said:

 Karatallid, on 29 February 2012 - 09:53 PM, said:

Why does faking being a newbie make one vote worthy? We have others who are going for a newb appearance (like Anthras with asking how to bold) and one person who is announcing himself as a Vet (GL).

Nah, I think a person trying to blend in looks more like Thyr, lots of posting, voting once and promptly removing his vote, helpfully responding when ever he can (conversing about multiquoting, and the all-telling asking a lot of questions), or and throwing out suspicions left and right like candy without laying down a case or long standing vote.

I mean, who do you think we should vote for Thyr?

Vote Thyr

This is the post that makes me look more closely at Kara. I had posted my case on Okaros which I believed in and had analysed but kara comes on, disregards it and votes Thyrllan for trying to blend in. Maybe Thyrllan is scum but this case is shoddy at best. At least I picked out some irregularities with Okaros. You just wanted to provide a different option other than Okaros. Now if we believe Okaros to be town and part of a lover pair with Korabas then why would you defend Okaros if you did not know his allegiance? The only way I can see it is that you know Okaros is town is because you are scum and by defending town who will cf as innocent you look innocent by association.

But here's the thing Tiam: you spend two multiquoted posts pointing out Okaros' vacillation between veteran and newbie, but I really didn't see any other reasoning to your case. Frankly man, like all other day 1 cases it was weak, though a little weaker than most. Just because you have a lot of quotes with a comment interspersed here and there doesn't make your case deep and insightful, worthy of a detailed analysis. I commented on the only substance of your case and then moved onto my observations.

[Tiamatha]

 Karatallid, on 01 March 2012 - 11:28 AM, said:

This is what I noted when looking over Tiam's case and post case commentary. So as I said, Tiam has had tunnel vision with regards to Okaros up to this point. I was even surprised when Tiam didn't comment on Thyr's initial sputtering "defense" against my case against him (which, to remind you all, was not answering the accusations followed by a little redirection).

However, Merrid's small exchange with Thyr warranted a commentary and even a pun emphasized with an underlined Merrid.

 Merrid, on 29 February 2012 - 09:39 PM, said:

 Thyrllan, on 29 February 2012 - 09:31 PM, said:

 Merrid, on 29 February 2012 - 09:29 PM, said:

 Thyrllan, on 29 February 2012 - 09:05 PM, said:

 Tiamatha, on 29 February 2012 - 08:53 PM, said:

 Merrid, on 29 February 2012 - 08:50 PM, said:

checking in! and I see the dragon secks has beena bit of a fizzer. is it srs time already?

wow i was just thinking about you i was going to vote you randomly out of the ones alkend just listed but then i had a think about it and decided to give you another 12 hours or so

wow what kind of signaling is this?

that it's the stupidest signalling case I've ever seen. might as well accuse you of signalling with your 'pardner'comment!

I can make a stupider one for you, don't test me

do it then. all you will show is that you can pull cases out your butt.if it's a stupid case you won't convince anyone I'm scum, you will just destroy your own credibility

 Tiamatha, on 29 February 2012 - 10:22 PM, said:

I'm out for a little while, I see no Merrid in the voting for Merrid yet the whole exchange between Kara and Okaros is what has my full attention at the moment.

see what I did there ^

So while we are bringing up connections, why did you go out of your way to comment on Merrid, who actually wasn't receiving that much heat and was linked to you by one of Thyr's many random accusations?

I typed up a post at this stage with Vote Merrid. I then reviewed what I wrote and it didn't wash but just as I deleted the post Merrid posted so therefore I commented on it. If you believe I was signalling Merrid then vote for Merrid rather than flap around. Why would the killers communicate on day one? I see no reason for them to. We have 11 players do we not? 1 lynch and 1 kill takes us down to 9. So better for them to hide and let us lynch each other no? Therefore the reason I was looking at Okaros was because he was trying to hide but failing. I am still unsure whether or not to believe Korabas.