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#13181 User is offline   Azath Vitr (D'ivers 

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Posted 09 August 2022 - 03:08 PM

View Postamphibian, on 09 August 2022 - 01:14 PM, said:

It would take an actual felony conviction for him to not run. He's going to do the maximum fundraising/scamming possible, maybe declare anyways, and then bow out while endorsing the top 2-3 people left in the race, making sure to remind them that they have to give him what he wants if they want his endorsement or cash or access.

The grift continues as long as the money keeps coming in.



Without an actual felony conviction before the 2024 election this may make him more likely to run again:

'TRUMP THINKS RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT AGAIN IS HIS GET OUT OF JAIL FREE CARD

Justice Department policy says a sitting president cannot be prosecuted—and Trump knows it.'

Report: Trump Thinks Running for President Again Is His Get Out of Jail Free Card | Vanity Fair

'the impetus behind Trump's restoration fever-dream is the realization that he needs the immunity afforded by the presidency to avoid prosecution for the career that got him there. [...] Trump believes that "[r]unning for president is the best way to directly challenge the prosecutors."

[...] an event looming[...] that poses almost precisely the same situation as what provoked Caesar's crossing of the Rubicon: the possible indictment of former president Donald J. Trump.

[...] It is no coincidence that insurrectionists that day carried banners urging Trump to "Cross the Rubicon" and declaring "The Die Is Cast"— Caesar's words upon alighting on the Italian side of the river—or that they will be with him to storm the forces of the Republic and ignite a civil war over Trump's potential indictment: Avoiding criminal prosecution is precisely why Caesar crossed the Rubicon with his army and ignited a civil war 21 centuries ago.'

Will the U.S. Pass a Point of No Return?

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Posted 09 August 2022 - 04:23 PM

I don't think he wants to be President again. It's too much work, even for the negligent version he was able to get away with doing. But he wants to flirt with it and keep the money rolling in plus have the people in power become beholden to him like he's beholden to the Russians.

I do not understand the people upset about the FBI executing the search warrant or the idea of not holding everyone in this country accountable to the laws of this country, state, locality etc. That's the price of holding power and we should be demanding this continually and especially from Trump, his corrupt cabinet officials, and his family. Remember Scott Pruitt? He was under 14 different federal investigations by the time he left office and he still managed to run for Senator without cost. This shouldn't be!
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Posted 09 August 2022 - 07:13 PM

On another forum, reading through a newly created thread - "Your wildly wrong theories about what the FBI found inside Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago vault."

It's been pure comedy gold.
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Posted 09 August 2022 - 07:15 PM

They found the Pee Pee Tapes.

The pee was coming from inside the house.
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Posted 09 August 2022 - 11:15 PM

Ohhhh weeee! MAGA hatters are pissed off. Some shit might go down.

On a slightly less calamitous take, If this ends up being a nothing burger and Republicans take control in November, it's going to be open season.

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Posted 10 August 2022 - 03:45 PM

"If you're innocent, why are you pleading the 5th?" ~Trump in 2017

Also Trump
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Posted 10 August 2022 - 06:30 PM

View PostQuickTidal, on 10 August 2022 - 03:45 PM, said:

"If you're innocent, why are you pleading the 5th?" ~Trump in 2017

Also Trump



'"It can be used against him": Legal experts react to Donald Trump pleading the 5th

[...] case against the former president is now "immeasurably stronger."

[...] "If he is sued, [...] jurors may be instructed they should presume his answers would have hurt him."

[...] Attorney Tristan Snell, who successfully prosecuted the Trump University case for the New York Attorney's Office[...]: "[...] This is a civil case — so the court can draw an inference of liability. This is exactly what the AG was hoping to achieve. The case is now even stronger."

[...] "Don Jr. and Ivanka did not plead the Fifth, likely because their involvement with the fraud was minimal. Donald Trump pled the Fifth, because he was almost certainly running the fraud."'

'It can be used against him': Legal experts react to Donald Trump pleading the 5th

'Biden says that the US economy is on track, while urging congress to pass the Inflation Reduction Act. "Today, we received news that our economy had zero percent inflation in the month of July -- zero percent,"'

Biden Says There Was 'Zero Inflation' in July

'July inflation climbed 8.5 percent over the past year, easing slightly thanks to falling gas and energy prices, and offering fresh hope to families and businesses that inflation may start to simmer down after months of gains.

[...] inflation in July was also flat from the month before, as a major drop-off in gasoline prices helped offset increases in food and shelter.

[...] "These kind of swings should be a reminder of how far our economy is right now from some semblance of normal," [...] "We should take a deep breath today but not do a victory dance."'

CPI report: Inflation slowed in July amid lower gas prices

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Posted 11 August 2022 - 07:11 AM

It's been a doozy of a few days for Trump. He must be on some serious miracle prescription medications because at his age this kind of legal pressure could easily trigger a stroke. Then again, this kind of stuff has been the window dressing of his adult life, so maybe to him it's a challenging game that he gets some kind of twisted gratification from.


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Posted 11 August 2022 - 07:43 AM

View Postamphibian, on 09 August 2022 - 04:23 PM, said:

I don't think he wants to be President again. It's too much work, even for the negligent version he was able to get away with doing. But he wants to flirt with it and keep the money rolling in plus have the people in power become beholden to him like he's beholden to the Russians.

I do not understand the people upset about the FBI executing the search warrant or the idea of not holding everyone in this country accountable to the laws of this country, state, locality etc. That's the price of holding power and we should be demanding this continually and especially from Trump, his corrupt cabinet officials, and his family. Remember Scott Pruitt? He was under 14 different federal investigations by the time he left office and he still managed to run for Senator without cost. This shouldn't be!


It's incredibly depressing how easy it is for those of means and who wield power to get away with things. For instance, the former treasurer here and one of the PM candidates is a massive tax criminal, and we have a home secretary who is a traitor and was booted from government in the prior cabinet for selling state secrets to an aggressive regime who enjoy doin' them old war crimes.

I sort of hope Trump having this happen to him means there's some chance it would happen here too...
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Posted 11 August 2022 - 01:12 PM

'Now They’re Calling for Violence

[...] Dinesh D’Souza, a right-wing provocateur who received a pardon from Trump for campaign-finance violations, said, “The FBI, an organization set up to fight organized crime, has become the most powerful organized crime syndicate in the world. We now need to carry the fight against organized crime to its logical conclusion: Shut down the FBI and prosecute this gang of dangerous criminals.”

Former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich suggested that the FBI might have planted evidence against Trump. [...] “We’d be better off to think of these people as wolves”—wolves who “want to eat you, wolves who want to dominate.” According to Gingrich, the FBI has “declared war on the American people at such a level and with such total dishonesty.” We are seeing “the ugly face of a tyranny.”

One of the most popular figures on Fox News, Jesse Watters[...] “How do we know they’re not planting evidence right now?” [...] “I’m angry. I feel violated. The whole country feels violated. It’s disgusting. They’ve declared war on us and now it’s game on.”

Sebastian Gorka, a former Trump adviser [...] said the FBI’s actions were “a declaration of war.” Monica Crowley, a right-wing commentator who worked in the Trump administration, tweeted, “This is it. This is the hill to die on.” Another popular right-wing talk-show host, Mark Levin[...] “This is the worst attack on this republic in modern history, period.”

[...] Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene [...] called for Congress to “DEFUND THE FBI!”'

Anger at the Mar-a-Lago 'Raid' Can’t End Well

'Republicans Are Outraged at Joe Biden for Accurately Describing the Economy

[...] we can now add the basic language of economics to the list of things Republicans have decided to go to war on.

[... Biden:] “Zero percent. Here’s what that means. While the price of some things went up last month, the price of other things went down by the same amount. The result, 0 inflation last month.”

Biden then added a slightly wonky flourish, noting that core inflation rose at its slowest rate in “several months.”

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Republicans [...] erupted in furor and mockery. In tweet after tweet and article after article, right-leaning journalists, GOP officials, and party operatives accused of Biden of lying or misleading the public, since inflation is still up 8.5 percent over the past 12 months. [...] “There’s 8.5% inflation and basically everything anyone ever buys went up in price. This is just cruel gaslighting from the Biden admin.” Sen. Marsha Blackburn of Tennessee managed to wrap in some transphobia, tweeting that, “In Joe Biden’s America, men are women, and 8.5% inflation = 0% inflation.” Classy.

When journalists widely pointed out that what Biden said was basically accurate, conservatives promptly accused them of being patsies for the administration.

This is now the second month in a row in which conservatives have thrown a fit over economic lingo. [...] the right collectively excoriated journalists and the Biden administration for supposedly attempting to redefine the meaning of the word “recession,” [...] According to a commonly used rule of thumb, which you will often hear repeated by Wall Street traders, two quarters of negative growth qualifies as a recession.

[...] The task of deciding when recessions begin and end traditionally falls to the National Bureau of Economic Research’s Business Cycle Dating Committee. The group of esteemed economists isn’t an official government office, but professionals rely on it as the final arbiters when it comes to this topic. The committee defines a recession as “a significant decline in economic activity that is spread across the economy and that lasts more than a few months,” which they clock “based on a range of monthly measures” including income, spending, and hiring, among others.

Nonetheless, Biden’s insistence that, no, we are not in an official recession left the right apoplectic. The fight online boiled over to the point where Wikipedia had to halt edits on its page for the term recession. Conservatives accused Biden of “governing by gaslighting.”'

Biden said there was zero inflation in July—accurately. The GOP was apoplectic


'Virginia Republicans are testing a new way to ban books and restrict their sales. In the long run, it might just work.

[...] would allow the judge, if she found the books obscene, to ban bookstores, libraries, and even private citizens from selling or sharing them, everywhere in Virginia.

[...] A Court of Mist and Fury is a mainstream (straight) fantasy/romance about a human transformed into a faerie, the second in a hugely successful YA series[...]

[...] “There is a movement spreading around the country that seeks to make this a political wedge issue, trying to cast books with any sexual content whatsoever as legally obscene,” [...] Many, though not all, of the books targeted are about LGBTQ issues, which many Republicans deem “sexually explicit” whether or not there’s actual sex involved. [...] “It’s a small group of people trying to decide what everyone should have access to.”'

Book banning: a Virginia Republican’s new scheme has a hidden agenda
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Posted 11 August 2022 - 06:41 PM

Merrick Garland is going to make a statement.
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Posted 11 August 2022 - 07:41 PM

View PostMalankazooie, on 11 August 2022 - 06:41 PM, said:

Merrick Garland is going to make a statement.



Merrick Garland puts his head on the slopping block (and possibly also the machine gun block... (or the bomb (or the angry mob (or...)) block)).

'Armed man approaches FBI office [...] exchanges gunfire with cops

An armed man decked out in body armor tried to breach a security screening area at an FBI field office [...] comes as officials warn of an increase in threats against federal agents in the days following a search of former President Donald Trump's Mar-a-Lago estate in Florida. [...] He was chased onto Interstate 71 and has exchanged gunfire with police.

Authorities have closed the interstate in both directions as police remained in a standoff. [...]
Federal officials have also been tracking an array of other concerning chatter on Gab and other platforms threatening violence against federal agents.

[...] warned its agents to avoid protesters and ensure their security key cards are "not visible outside FBI space," citing an increase in social media threats to bureau personnel and facilities. It also warned agents to be aware of their surroundings and potential protesters.'

Armed man approaches FBI office in Cincinnati, exchanges gunfire with cops

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Posted 12 August 2022 - 02:49 AM

This might be the funniest thing they tried to get Trump on..

Like he is some James bond villain. Guys this guy was a Mediocre president at best.

He took nuclear secrets home. So after trying on him this many times..it's now the WMD card. WmDs!!!

Wow..and we are back they trying to get him on colluding with Russia too.

On his way out he grabs nukes secrets..ya I don't see the profit in it.

( I would believe it if it's the Sampson option for nukes that he took if anything. More likely he had the epstein blackmail list)
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Posted 12 August 2022 - 03:02 AM

Fbi to judge. Goodsir we realized two years ago he carried the nuclear codes out as he was leaving office. We might have also noticed it a couple of months ago, but we told them to lock them up really good. Since he is now gone can we go look for them.

Judge: go get those wmds. Fbi oh yeah putin was involved too. Judge: shocked just like in 2014

They really went all out.

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Posted 12 August 2022 - 03:21 AM

View PostNicodimas, on 12 August 2022 - 03:02 AM, said:

Fbi to judge. Goodsir we realized two years ago he carried the nuclear codes out as he was leaving office. We might have also noticed it a couple of months ago, but we told them to lock them up really good. Since he is now gone can we go look for them.

Judge: go get those wmds. Fbi oh yeah putin was involved too. Judge: shocked just like in 2014

They really went all out.


From trumps perspective:

Trump like two years ago, does some Jason bourne moves and smuggles nuke secrets out of the WH..

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All the nuclear secrets oh yeah this safe just place these here.Nobody will find them in my safe.
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Posted 12 August 2022 - 03:48 AM

View PostNicodimas, on 12 August 2022 - 02:49 AM, said:

This might be the funniest thing they tried to get Trump on..

Like he is some James bond villain. Guys this guy was a Mediocre president at best.

He took nuclear secrets home. So after trying on him this many times..it's now the WMD card. WmDs!!!

Wow..and we are back they trying to get him on colluding with Russia too.

On his way out he grabs nukes secrets..ya I don't see the profit in it.

( I would believe it if it's the Sampson option for nukes that he took if anything. More likely he had the epstein blackmail list)


Yeah, because there's just noooooooooo way he actually did that. Noooo way, like, at all. Totally no way. Nope, nuh uh, not possible. Trump doing something bad? That just ain't possible.

No way, it's all the DEMONcRAT's fault!!!1! Yeah, that makes so much more sense, uh huh.

Screw you all, and have a nice day!

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Posted 12 August 2022 - 10:43 AM

It does sort of make sense if you watch the content on CNN and MSNBC. I think it's easier to just say that left wing media are almost as hysterical as the right wing, and you shouldn't believe everything Trump is accused of. Just a lot of it.
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Posted 12 August 2022 - 10:58 AM

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Posted 12 August 2022 - 11:25 AM

I assume Katie Hopkins cannot run for Congress as she is English? She'd definitely be best buddies with Marjorie.

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Posted 12 August 2022 - 01:46 PM

I think the "profit in it" is pretty apparent.
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We still have to wait and see if they found anything, and I'm not holding my breath really....but the "they planted the evidence" talking points have started pretty early, and you're gonna see them rally around this across the board in coming days.

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(For reference, zero of the things listed in that post were hoaxes).

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