[Slow Ben]

This fucking sucks. I'm terrified for the country my daughters are growing up in. If democrats dont hang on in the midterms, and then do some serious shit after, we may be down the fascism rabbit hole for awhile.

[Slow Ben]

And we shouldnt think that for one gods damned minute that access to contraceptions, same sex relationships, and same sex marriage arent next on their chopping block.

[QuickTidal]

Slow Ben, on 24 June 2022 - 08:13 PM, said:

And we shouldnt think that for one gods damned minute that access to contraceptions, same sex relationships, and same sex marriage arent next on their chopping block.

Thomas literally said in his part of this decision that they are all next. It’s so disturbing.

[Lady Bliss]

The problem with the Democratic Party is we have the ultra progressive and the centrists refusing to work together, so nothing gets done. The republicans are all united in the belief that everything is Biden’s and the party’s fault. Kind of a reversal on the last election really.

[Gorefest]

Holy crap, unbelievable. The US is genuinely turning into the Christian equivalent of IS or the Taliban. Back to the stone age. Gay marriage up next. Good going, America. Soon you'll be back to legalising slavery. Wow. Just wow. There are no words for this skullfuckery. Pinch me, it really is 2022, right? Let's go and stone some adulterers. Evangelical zealots.

This post has been edited by Gorefest: 24 June 2022 - 09:13 PM

[amphibian]

Lady Bliss, on 24 June 2022 - 08:45 PM, said:

The problem with the Democratic Party is we have the ultra progressive and the centrists refusing to work together, so nothing gets done. The republicans are all united in the belief that everything is Biden’s and the party’s fault. Kind of a reversal on the last election really.

I think it's more that the leadership, which is mostly the centrists, do not particularly feel that things are "really bad".

The slow moves on impeachment, the refusal to make Feinstein step down, accepting the McConnel stealing of a supreme court, the "just vote" rhetoric - it's all indicative that they don't think they can do direct things to stop or change the course of things despite having a numerical edge enough to push stuff through.

Schumer and Biden should be doing LBJ stuff and finding + using the levers that keep Manchin and Sinema on their side - even the painful ones. Why hasn't Manchin's old coal company or his daughter's pharmaceutical company gotten federal audits?

The January 6 hearings need to result in people in jail.

There needs to be a shit ton of executive orders doing stuff if legislation isn't possible.

It's the lack of direct action that's allowing spin and apathy to work effectively.

[Lady Bliss]

I don’t disagree with you Amp, but there have also been legislative wins that we have missed out on because the party can’t unite on making even small improvements.

[Tsundoku]

Your entire country has leaned further and further right since Reagan. Hell, everyone except your most extreme leftists are considered centre or right on other western nations.

The Democrats ultraprogressives are an electoral millstone around the Dem's necks. They will guarantee the Dems never get the numbers of votes they need to get gradual control of enough sectors to enact real change. They need to get back to the great big centre and appeal to more people, and do it across the entire bureaucratic, legislative, executive and judicial spectrum from local all the way to Federal level.
You know, like the Republicans have been doing for the last 30+ years.

Sorry, but I realistically can't see a way your country doesn't go down the Gilead path now for generations. Mass minority disenfranchisement, deportations, incarcerations- with accompanying prisoner slavery in privately run prisons, as they toe dip in bringing back the South. Might even end up in civil war or at least mass insurrection as leftists go "fuck it" and get their hands on assault weapons (which will be their right).

Start moving to Canada, here and Unnzudd now. But please don't bring your country's shittier ideas with you.

EDIT: I would say there is an upside in that you can obviously no longer use "my body, my choice" to deny any Federal or State legal mandates. So roll up your sleeves for jabs and wear your masks!
I would ... but I know that crowd are complete and utter hypocrites who are aware logic and consistency exist, they just refuse to admit it.

Well, so many more American children will be born now, who the conservatives won't then give a flying fuck about once they are born. But I guess that's OK because most of them will probably be dead in a school shooting before they are 10.

This post has been edited by Tsundoku: 25 June 2022 - 02:39 AM

[Gwynn ap Nudd]

I disagree on the progressives being a mill stone. They do need better messaging though. E.g. defund the police was one of the worst political slogans ever and was damaging. The republicans are nationalising races by tying candidates to Pelosi, who is no radical progressive. The party also doesn't have much influence on who runs.

I do think they need to bring back more "Blue Dog" Democrats to actually contest elections in red states. Where that's not possible, more Democrats should vote in the republican primaries to try to weed out the far right.

Leadership either needs to change or get better at playing hardball and taking advantage of all levers they have. I think everyone agrees now that they shouldn't have passed the infrastructure bill without some form of reconciliation bill as well, but that is somewhat hindsight. Even in the last week there was the Supreme Court security bill that passed the Senate and Republicans wanted made law. The house should not have voted on that prior to the gun safety bill passing the filibuster. Just continually giving up any leverage.

Not believing for a second that the Supreme Court isn't going after gay marriage and contraception. At least one state was already adding contraception bans into early abortion law drafts this year. Honestly thought the Supreme Court would have waited until before the long weekend to drop the abortion ruling. I was expecting them to announce today that the EPA can't regulate green house gas emissions.

Republicans can never be allowed to run the federal government again, unless you want a national ban on abortion (and soon IUDs and gay marriage). Democrats need to be willing to do whatever it takes to make sure that happens. If somehow they hold the house and gain a couple senate seats this fall, DC and Puerto Rico need to be states by next summer. Ditch the filibuster for voting rights (at least) and do away with party based gerrymandering.

[amphibian]

I don't think the ultra progressives (who are often close to centrists in Europe) are the millstones. If they were getting big things done, which they are on a small scale, they'd be rather respected.

The people maddest about AOC are never gonna vote Democrat anyways. There's no point in moving rightward on her in order to get future votes. It'd be moving rightward to still lose votes and AOC.

The problem is that there's no fucking plan by the leadership to get things done and when they do try, they end up stepping things down. They should be pitching the absolute most ludicrously packed legislation possible, stepping that down for Manchin, and coming out with something decent. Instead, they're starting with something decent, forced to step it down, coming out with a shit sandwich nobody really likes. That's the curse that's poisoning them in my view.

If I were Schumer, I would make McConnell's life living hell for every single vote, no matter what - partly to exhaust him and partly to show fight to the American people.

But he won't do that because he believes in all the senators being friends. That's a fantasy that never existed, yet the wrong people keep falling for it.

[Gwynn ap Nudd]

As a side note, a gun safety bill did finally get passed. But, based on Thomas's ruling, all the actual gun control items in it could easily be ruled unconstitutional. Red flag laws are new and domestic violence wasn't even a federal crime until 1994. So unless judges are willing to give a fair amount of leeway in calling historic laws comparable, both red flag laws and prohibiting domestic violence offenders from owning guns could be shot down by the end of the year.

[Gorefest]

https://www.theguard...n-right-america

Religious fundamentalism rears its ugly head again. Even if sky fairies were real, who would want to support such celestial pricks?

[Tsundoku]

At least future historians will be able to put an exact time and date stamp on when "My body, my choice" changed to "Her body, my choice".

[Lady Bliss]

FFS… look how republicans are treating protesters.

Protest at Arizona Senate

[Tsundoku]

Huh, so this qualifies as an "attempted insurrection" that justifies the use of tear gas, but 6 Jan 2021 didn't? Seems legit ...

This post has been edited by Tsundoku: 25 June 2022 - 02:01 PM

[Azath Vitr (D'ivers]

... and the Senate too... though I'm not sure how strong the effect (of the abortion laws, at least) on where people live will actually be. (Or outlawing gun control for that matter....)

If they do extend it to contraception---or at least to birth control pills---that will almost certainly have a much stronger (titanic) effect....

[Malankazooie]

Colorado called "island in the middle of abortion desert."

Yeah man, it's started. Saw protests written on cars whilst driving to breakfast - "Choose Life" in big scrawled letters on side window on one. "Keep you policies off my body" on another. Saw a rainbow flag flying too, but I think that is more in celebrating Pride Month. Just hope the discourse stays in that lane and doesn't go aggro. I don't expect much here due to recent legislation passed. Glad I'm not in a state where the pot is simmering and the lid is dancing just waiting to blow off.

[Cause]

Azath Vitr (D, on 25 June 2022 - 03:44 PM, said:

... and the Senate too... though I'm not sure how strong the effect (of the abortion laws, at least) on where people live will actually be. (Or outlawing gun control for that matter....)

If they do extend it to contraception---or at least to birth control pills---that will almost certainly have a much stronger (titanic) effect....

You know you represent the people when you have to drive the people before you and hear the lamentations of their women to win elections. To day and admit this avarice of power out loud. Wtf

[Tsundoku]

It's sad when a parody news site has a pretty accurate summary.

https://www.betootaa...ical-procedure/

I would suggest the 6 SCOTUS justices would probably need 24 hour security for the rest of their lives from now on.

I also think in this time of omnipresent mobile phones and social media coverage, perhaps a constant coverage of senior Republicans and religious figures families might be in order.
To ensure they all toe the line their paterfamilias espouses, of course. If women can't have bodily sovereignty, what use could any conservatives have for privacy?

EDIT: In actual news, I'm seeing this pop up all over in the last hour or so. A sex strike?

https://www.news.com...e0493a1554173fe

Of course, under Gilead law women won't have the right to say no.

This post has been edited by Tsundoku: 26 June 2022 - 07:08 AM

[Azath Vitr (D'ivers]

'@CasualLaw

My regular friends "do you think they will really go after gay marriage"

My lawyer friends "Do you think women owning property in their own name is clearly established? It was not at the time of the signing of the 14th, would a trust survive?"'

(20) Melissa Hall on Twitter: "My regular friends "do you think they will really go after gay marriage" My lawyer friends "Do you think women owning property in their own name is clearly established? It was not at the time of the signing of the 14th, would a trust survive?"" / Twitter

'Rep. Mary Miller (R-IL) said the quiet part out loud at a [... Trump rally ... with Trump standing right behind her ...] "President Trump, on behalf of all the MAGA patriots in America. I want to thank you for the historic victory for white life in the Supreme Court yesterday," [...] The Trump rally comes as Miller, who already received Trump's endorsement, looks for a turnout boast ahead of a Tuesday primary'

MAGA Rep. Mary Miller Thanks Trump for Giving 'White Life' a Win (thedailybeast.com)

video:

(20) Acyn on Twitter: "Miller: President Trump… I want to thank you for the historic victory for white life in the Supreme Court yesterday https://t.co/RqxmbT8jx5" / Twitter

This post has been edited by Azath Vitr (D'ivers: 26 June 2022 - 02:20 PM