[EmperorMagus]

Silencer, on 09 August 2017 - 07:26 AM, said:

HoosierDaddy, on 09 August 2017 - 02:38 AM, said:

North Korea ain't going to do shit. This has been, and always will be, about negotiating position.

They'd cease to exist if they ever fired an actual missile.

True, and we can hope that the rationale holds out. Especially given the US anti-ICBM system has a test success rate of like 51%...including all the times the practice missile wasn't destroyed or hit, but some new subsystem worked as intended. Without those it's less than 50% reliable. And it's never been tested taking on multiple targets.

But at least NK would be a nuclear wasteland if they ever tried. I'm pretty sure they're not that stupid. Mostly.

The issue here is that everyone is looking at NK like a madman is in charge there.

IMO, he's not a madman, he will never fire a nuclear missile from NK territory without knowing he's already done for.

The problem is whether he'll sell nukes and which state-sponsored terrorist group buys it from them. Just imagine people like ISIS having that kind of weaponry.

[Macros]

I think the problem here is very much the poor bastards who are suffering under this tyrants rule.
sure NK will be obliterated if they launch, but what about the millions of innocents who would die to achieve that?

[HoosierDaddy]

EmperorMagus, on 09 August 2017 - 08:37 AM, said:

Silencer, on 09 August 2017 - 07:26 AM, said:

HoosierDaddy, on 09 August 2017 - 02:38 AM, said:

North Korea ain't going to do shit. This has been, and always will be, about negotiating position.

They'd cease to exist if they ever fired an actual missile.

True, and we can hope that the rationale holds out. Especially given the US anti-ICBM system has a test success rate of like 51%...including all the times the practice missile wasn't destroyed or hit, but some new subsystem worked as intended. Without those it's less than 50% reliable. And it's never been tested taking on multiple targets.

But at least NK would be a nuclear wasteland if they ever tried. I'm pretty sure they're not that stupid. Mostly.

The issue here is that everyone is looking at NK like a madman is in charge there.

IMO, he's not a madman, he will never fire a nuclear missile from NK territory without knowing he's already done for.

The problem is whether he'll sell nukes and which state-sponsored terrorist group buys it from them. Just imagine people like ISIS having that kind of weaponry.

Valid point. That's why non-proliferation has always been the goal, but seems as though that has already been thrown to the curb here.

[QuickTidal]

HoosierDaddy, on 09 August 2017 - 02:38 AM, said:

North Korea ain't going to do shit. This has been, and always will be, about negotiating position.

They'd cease to exist if they ever fired an actual missile.

^^This 100%.

Their family (the ruling family in NK) has only ever been about holding power amongst their own people. That's it.

They know..beyond a shadow of a doubt that if they launched ANYTHING at anyone in particular, that they would be bombed back to the stone age. They won't risk that.

they just want to hold onto the power they have.

It's all posturing and bluster.

[HoosierDaddy]

Macros, on 09 August 2017 - 11:18 AM, said:

I think the problem here is very much the poor bastards who are suffering under this tyrants rule.
sure NK will be obliterated if they launch, but what about the millions of innocents who would die to achieve that?

Kim Jon Un doesn't care about them. They are slave labor/serfs.

I care about the people in Seoul and the slaves in North Korea, but that integration would be far, far harder than West/East Germany.

[Macros]

Yes, so with that in mind would a drone strike taking out the top echelon of bastardy not be the better option than 'turning NK into a nuclear waste land'? (Paraphrasing I think) as was suggested the outcome would be.

[HoosierDaddy]

Of course, I don't think anyone would disagree. Frankly, they are in la la land over there because the Kim family has brainwashed them for decades into being ready to die for them.

[King Lear]

Don't think anyone's posted this, it's from yesterday.
For your daily dose of lolsob

[HoosierDaddy]

King Lear, on 09 August 2017 - 02:47 PM, said:

Don't think anyone's posted this, it's from yesterday.
For your daily dose of lolsob

I read that yesterday. He's either on the spectrum or a legitimate narcissist.

[QuickTidal]

The FBI raided Manafort's home this AM. (fixed for accuracy)

This post has been edited by QuickTidal: 09 August 2017 - 03:38 PM

[King Lear]

QuickTidal, on 09 August 2017 - 03:02 PM, said:

The FBI raided Manafort's home this AM.

Again?

[King Lear]

King Lear, on 09 August 2017 - 03:19 PM, said:

QuickTidal, on 09 August 2017 - 03:02 PM, said:

The FBI raided Manafort's home this AM.

Again?

Oh lol, that was confusing. Looks like the raid was back in July but it's just come out.

I was looking at that thinking 'didn't I just read that they raided last month???'.

This post has been edited by King Lear: 09 August 2017 - 03:29 PM

[QuickTidal]

King Lear, on 09 August 2017 - 03:28 PM, said:

King Lear, on 09 August 2017 - 03:19 PM, said:

QuickTidal, on 09 August 2017 - 03:02 PM, said:

The FBI raided Manafort's home this AM.

Again?

Oh lol, that was confusing. Looks like the raid was back in July but it's just come out.

I was looking at that thinking 'didn't I just read that they raided last month???'.

Oh, and I didn't notice it either as I said this AM. Apologies.

As far as I understand this means a few things.

1. That this is a criminal investigation, and not a civil one.
2. That a federal judge decided that there was probable cause of criminal conduct would be found at Manafort's home.
3. That they didn't feel that the subpoena's they'd issue would get them all the things they need/want, and they obviously felt that Manafort would hide shit.

This post has been edited by QuickTidal: 09 August 2017 - 03:40 PM

[Tiste Simeon]

Down South, on 08 August 2017 - 10:51 PM, said:

I hope diplomacy succeeds. Each passing day I doubt it will just that little bit more from the day before. Something is going to happen with N Korea and many people are going to die.

How are those emails of Clinton looking? Hope you're feeling proud of the guy you voted for because you focused on the lies and smear campaign of the evil Republicans.

Look where it's got us...

This post has been edited by Tiste Simeon: 09 August 2017 - 07:17 PM

[Aptorian]

Tiste Simeon, on 09 August 2017 - 07:17 PM, said:

Down South, on 08 August 2017 - 10:51 PM, said:

I hope diplomacy succeeds. Each passing day I doubt it will just that little bit more from the day before. Something is going to happen with N Korea and many people are going to die.

How are those emails of Clinton looking? Hope you're feeling proud of the guy you voted for because you focused on the lies and smear campaign of the evil Republicans.

Look where it's got us...

Very unbecoming of you, Tiste.

I realize in the aftermath of the election a lot of anger was directed at Trump's followers and in connection with that people who voted Republican, but a voter is not to be held to account for a politicians actions. It's a representative form of democracy, not a direct form of decision making.

Are all of America's democrats to blame for all the Civilian deaths at the hand of Obama's drone bombings?

If you're angry with Trump, write him a letter. Don't throw that kind of shit in the face of another forum member.

[HoosierDaddy]

Trump was entirely truthful with what he was and is Apt. He is a narcissistic asshat clown and if you voted for him you get what you get. Now, blaming him for foreign actions is wrong, but blaming his reactions to that is not wrong at all. He's a fucking pompous shit show that has no business being in the office and is endangering the world.

Fire and fury! This isn't fucking Game of Thrones house mottoes.

[Vengeance]

Tiste Simeon, on 09 August 2017 - 07:17 PM, said:

Down South, on 08 August 2017 - 10:51 PM, said:

I hope diplomacy succeeds. Each passing day I doubt it will just that little bit more from the day before. Something is going to happen with N Korea and many people are going to die.

How are those emails of Clinton looking? Hope you're feeling proud of the guy you voted for because you focused on the lies and smear campaign of the evil Republicans.

Look where it's got us...

Tiste I hope you feel bad you are making me agree with Apt and you know how much I hat to agree with apt. Those type of comments aren't helpful nor constructive.

[Aptorian]

HoosierDaddy, on 09 August 2017 - 07:37 PM, said:

Trump was entirely truthful with what he was and is Apt. He is a narcissistic asshat clown and if you voted for him you get what you get. Now, blaming him for foreign actions is wrong, but blaming his reactions to that is not wrong at all. He's a fucking pompous shit show that has no business being in the office and is endangering the world.

Fire and fury! This isn't fucking Game of Thrones house mottoes.

Which is all well and good but again, that's not something that should be laid at BK's feed. As though he is somehow meant to carry the water of a fake politican.

Trump was never truthful about what he was or what he would become. Trump didn't even know what he would become because the man believes his own lies. Trump sold the notion of a greater America through a different kind of leadership. Whether you believed that or not or whether you felt you had a better choice is a different discussion.

I hope that the educated people on this board are aware that people vote for left or right for a host of different reasons, that might have nothing at all to do with the candidate on the podium. I won't pretend to know what BK voted or why he did it, but that's his own choice and it's his right.

People on this board should know better than to look at the world in black and white, red and blue or them and us. Politics isn't meant to just be a couple of trenches with a no-man's land in between.

[HoosierDaddy]

I don't blame BK for voting Trump for his beliefs, I simply disagree with them. And, I disagree with everything else he says. You get what you pay for, and guess what? They paid for Trump.

You own what you vote for. That is ALSO democracy.

[worry]

Never truthful? I think Trump promised to Make America Great Again by hearkening back to the 1950s, with particular emphasis on the traditional nuclear family. And in his funny little way, Trump is keeping that promise: we're all gonna be nuclear families, by golly.