[Terez]

That doesn't mean that the current process isn't exacerbated by our media culture, and it also doesn't mean that the current hyper-gridlock is the norm. It often seems to me that this type of comparison is used to marginalize certain opinions, in this case the opinions that 1) this year's election reaches new lows of both representation and deportment, at least in the average living memory, and 2) the ability of our government to function properly is rapidly disintegrating, as compared to pretty much any period in our nation's history. I could be wrong, though.

[worry]

I figured out what's wrong with these people. They're stupid.

[Terez]

worrywort, on 05 March 2012 - 11:55 PM, said:

I figured out what's wrong with these people. They're stupid.

lol. I'm starting to wonder if they do this on purpose. It's ridiculous. I think this is the first time I've seen her talk. She talks just like her husband. Imagine, losing it all, and having to sell one of your houses just to get by.

[worry]

http://www.guardian....kat-keene-hogue

Here's a series of short videos (divided by state) where primary voters are asked who they are voting for and why (there's one unrelated Dream Act video mixed in cuz it's by the same person). It's not any kind of satire or ambush or anything, just straightforward opinions from Republican voters this cycle. Definitely worth a watch.

[HoosierDaddy]

worrywort, on 06 March 2012 - 01:18 AM, said:

http://www.guardian....kat-keene-hogue

Here's a series of short videos (divided by state) where primary voters are asked who they are voting for and why (there's one unrelated Dream Act video mixed in cuz it's by the same person). It's not any kind of satire or ambush or anything, just straightforward opinions from Republican voters this cycle. Definitely worth a watch.

I watched the Oklahoma and Minnesota video because Oklahoma is as red as they come and Minnesota is a nicely, moderate purple state. The people in them pretty much reflect that nicely.

[Obdigore]

H.D., on 06 March 2012 - 01:49 AM, said:

worrywort, on 06 March 2012 - 01:18 AM, said:

http://www.guardian....kat-keene-hogue

Here's a series of short videos (divided by state) where primary voters are asked who they are voting for and why (there's one unrelated Dream Act video mixed in cuz it's by the same person). It's not any kind of satire or ambush or anything, just straightforward opinions from Republican voters this cycle. Definitely worth a watch.

I watched the Oklahoma and Minnesota video because Oklahoma is as red as they come and Minnesota is a nicely, moderate purple state. The people in them pretty much reflect that nicely.

MN is very blue any where there is civilization (read: cities) and red in the outlying areas. Just like most places.

[worry]

http://www.politico....0312/73715.html

[worry]

http://news.yahoo.co...-192027518.html


More than half of Mississippi GOP voters say Obama is a Muslim, new poll suggests
More than half of likely Republican voters in Mississippi say they think President Barack Obama is a Muslim, according to a survey conducted by Public Policy Polling, a Democratic polling firm.

Fifty-two percent said that Obama practiced Islam, while just 12 percent said he was a Christian. Thirty-six percent said they were not sure.

Obama, whose father and stepfather both came from Muslim backgrounds, is a practicing Christian and was a member of Trinity United Church in Chicago before he was president.

The poll, conducted by telephone of 656 likely Republican voters in Mississippi on March 10 and 11, has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.8 percentage points.

In Alabama, the same poll found that 45 percent of likely Republican voters believed Obama to be a Muslim and 14 percent said they considered him a Christian.

The group conducted the polling in advance of the Republican presidential primaries in Alabama and Mississippi, which will be held on Tuesday

[Terez]

Thanks for reminding me I have to vote tomorrow. I'm voting for Ron Paul, just for fun, since I'm still registered as a Republican (though I haven't actually voted Republican in a long time).

[JLV]

That margin of error doesn't account for stupidity in the sample selection, it seems.

[worry]

Well, I don't mean to pile on the South, or even Republican non-politicians, but I also don't believe we should pretend any of this stuff is the fringe or mere outliers within the party like some would suggest. It's a statistically significant, real, substantial chunk of Republican voters.

[Illuyankas]

Terez, on 12 March 2012 - 10:44 PM, said:

Thanks for reminding me I have to vote tomorrow. I'm voting for Ron Paul, just for fun, since I'm still registered as a Republican (though I haven't actually voted Republican in a long time).

Ron Paul wants to define life as starting at conception, build a fence along the US-Mexico border, prevent the Supreme Court from hearing cases on the Establishment Clause or the right to privacy, permitting the return of sodomy laws and the like (a bill which he has repeatedly re-introduced), pull out of the UN, disband NATO, end birthright citizenship, deny federal funding to any organisation which "which presents male or female homosexuality as an acceptable alternative life style or which suggest that it can be an acceptable life style" along with destroying public education and social security,, and abolish the Federal Reserve in order to put America back on the gold standard. He was also the sole vote against divesting US federal government investments in corporations doing business with the genocidal government of the Sudan.

Oh, and he believes that the Left is waging a war on religion and Christmas, he's against gay marriage, is against the popular vote, opposes the Civil Rights Act of 1964, wants the estate tax repealed, is STILL making racist remarks, believes that the Panama Canal should be the property of the United States, and believes in New World Order conspiracy theories, not to mention his belief that the International Baccalaureate program is UN mind control.

Please do not vote for him.

[Terez]

lol. I know all that. 1) He's not going to win, so don't worry about it. I'm just voting for him to help shake the tree in MS a bit. 2) The others are worse.

[Illuyankas]

It's more a legitimacy thing than anything else. And while all four are terrible, is he really less bad than Romney?

[Dolorous Menhir]

Don't worry guys. Obama's got this. He's the adult in the room here.

This post has been edited by Dolorous Menhir: 12 March 2012 - 11:24 PM

[Terez]

Illuyankas, on 12 March 2012 - 11:19 PM, said:

It's more a legitimacy thing than anything else. And while all four are terrible, is he really less bad than Romney?

He beats Romney for no other reason than his somewhat-sane approach to warmongering and victimless crimes.

Dolorous Menhir, on 12 March 2012 - 11:24 PM, said:

Don't worry guys. Obama's got this. He's the adult in the room here.

Precisely.

This post has been edited by Terez: 12 March 2012 - 11:26 PM

[worry]

I wouldn't be so confident in Obama's re-election, not because the Rs are strong or because Obama hasn't done a pretty decent job all in all, but because liberal Democrats are a self-defeating whiny fractured fickle mess of a "big tent". I wouldn't say there are just as many single issue voters on the left, but there's enough to get frustrated with and scared by. And it's perhaps way more true of young Dem voters, which is a problem.

On the other hand, since debates seem to really be having an effect this year, and not a one of these guys can come close to Obama on that front -- especially Romney, who has been attacking a wholly imaginary version of Obama during the primaries and so has even less preparation for the real dude than the others -- I do feel hopeful on that account. The tension between McCain and Romney was fairly palpable, but McCain never said anything nearly as crazy, mean-spirited, or outright lies as Romney has, so I'm interested to see him on stage, smiling and shaking hands with the President. There's no way this crazy stuff can't come back to bite Romney, especially since it's not even really politics, it's outright lying and caricature on such a grand scale, that them just being in the same room together may puncture that balloon.

In other words, I don't have a doubt in the world that Pres. Obama could wipe the floor with any of them in both substance and style, but I never trust Dem voters not to shoot themselves in the foot.

[Terez]

Eh, I'm pretty confident that Obama will win, but not overconfident. I'm much more confident that Ron Paul will not win the nomination, but if he did, IMO that would just make the election season much more interesting. Ron Paul is a little better on pure policy when it comes to challenging Obama's weak spots—these are things that Republicans would generally not acknowledge as weaknesses—but his debate skills are profoundly lacking.

[worry]

That's cuz he's old and doddering now, he used to be a real firebrand:

[Terez]

He still is. His tirades have made the debates entertaining. He just can't really put forth a coherent argument without tripping all over himself.