[Terez]

You live in fundraising country. I live in flyover country, or better yet, flyaround country.

[Sindriss]

The comments section is unbeliable. And seriously, one commenter says the wall he ran into was incompetence, whereby he misspells the word!!!!

I have seen the face of tea-bag country. And it is fucking ugly.

[Terez]

Ahh, Maddow used likely voters tonight. Good girl. She also has Nate Silver on; I bet that's why.

[Terez]

[Defiance]

I don't think anyone has posted this. Made me laugh.

This post has been edited by Defiance: 11 October 2012 - 09:04 PM

[Terez]

Nooooo Biden, don't avoid the question!

[Whisperzzzzzzz]

http://i.imgur.com/Qy1lG.png

People like this...

[Terez]

Ooh, Ryan screwed up his 'problems are growing abroad' zinger!

[amphibian]

Whisperzzzzzzz, on 12 October 2012 - 01:51 AM, said:

http://i.imgur.com/Qy1lG.png

People like this...

All the similar comments I've seen are from people who are already leaning or are strongly Republican. They see their guy (Paul Ryan) losing and then zero in on any objectionable behavior from the other guy (Joe Biden). Here, it's the laugh.

It's kind of a weird dynamic to bring to a vice presidential debate - I'd be focusing much more on what they said and factual accuracy than laughing or demeanor - but people aren't super-logical beings. We have our favorites and our feelings get hurt when those favorites take a hit in public.

[Terez]

Personally, I think Biden has gone a little too far. Yes, it's important to call your opponent on lies or misleading statements, but when you go over into laughing and mocking territory you open yourself up to the kind of attacks you saw on Gore with his sighing. Can't we find a middle ground somewhere?

[Khellendros]

I have to disagree. To me, Biden seemed wholly fired up for this. I loved his constant smiling and smirking. He always seemed to be one sentence away from saying to Ryan, "What the fuck are you talking about?!". And I thought that was fantastic - that's what a debate should be like.

So what, Obama didn't show enough confrontation, and now Biden showed too much?! Give me a break. I'm just watching the analysis on Sky News, and I can't believe that the first 'expert' they asked is giving it to Ryan. I thought Ryan did better on the Libya embassy bit at the beginning, and his closing statement. Everything else was Biden for me.

[HoosierDaddy]

Sometimes all you can do is laugh at lies. It helps set up that you are going to "right the record" in a minute when you talk.

Romney/Ryan's insistence to "have their say" about when they can talk is infuriating to me. Moderating the moderator....

[HoosierDaddy]

By the by, the sheer testicular fortitude that is required, or sheer genius, to lie over and over again about the things you have said and stand for while explicitly avoiding giving specifics about what you don't want to say you stand for, with both on video, is amazing.

This post has been edited by HoosierDaddy: 12 October 2012 - 02:51 AM

[worry]

Ryan did slightly better than I expected -- better than Obama and Romney both, at least. But Biden killed it, better than all three of the other performances combined.

[Defiance]

I don't see what's wrong with Biden laughing about how full of shit Ryan was. He's not going to hold his dick and sing kumbaya, and this whole idea that we all need to be nice and civil to avoid hurting each other's feelings is bullshit. It's like the whole "fair and balanced" journalism debate - what's important is the truth, not giving an issue equal representation when one side is clearly complete bullshit.

This post has been edited by Defiance: 12 October 2012 - 02:54 AM

[amphibian]

HoosierDaddy, on 12 October 2012 - 02:51 AM, said:

By the by, the sheer testicular fortitude that is required, or sheer genius, to lie over and over again about the things you have said and stand for while explicitly avoiding giving specifics about what you don't want to say you stand for, with both on video, is amazing.

Which is why I want a live fact checking thing on the screen for TV watchers. Red/yellow/green like the traffic lights for each "fact" assertion. It'd keep BOTH sides more honest, which is nice.

[HoosierDaddy]

Nice to see the Republicans calling out Biden for being mean to the moderator. There's your winner folks.

[Obdigore]

amphibian, on 12 October 2012 - 03:02 AM, said:

HoosierDaddy, on 12 October 2012 - 02:51 AM, said:

By the by, the sheer testicular fortitude that is required, or sheer genius, to lie over and over again about the things you have said and stand for while explicitly avoiding giving specifics about what you don't want to say you stand for, with both on video, is amazing.

Which is why I want a live fact checking thing on the screen for TV watchers. Red/yellow/green like the traffic lights for each "fact" assertion. It'd keep BOTH sides more honest, which is nice.

No it wouldn't. GOP would call bias on the fact checking because reality has a liberal bias, from where they are standing.

[worry]

Is it worth pointing out that Ryan did not at all challenge the $5 trillion tax cut, even after Mitt denied it ever existed? He limited himself to the not being able to show the math thing instead of the outright lie that Romney told.

[HoosierDaddy]

Paul Ryan/Mitt Romney: "We don't want to specify because we want this to be bi-partisan in Congress."

Sarah Palin: "How's the hopey changy thing working for you?"

It's completely ludicrous. They have no plan they'll state on public air because it'll damn them.