[Terez]

There are some people saying Romney-Ryan ticket will lead to a true mandate come election day—the mandate Obama almost got in 2008. (Which was weakened first by Scott Brown and then by the 2010 Tea Party gains.) I'm not so sure that's true. Obama is still a bit of a rockstar, and the disillusioned voters on his side are mostly people who actually take politics seriously and therefore will probably vote anyway on election day to keep Romney from getting elected. But on the GOP side, Obama is still the Antichrist. It probably evens out, and with voter suppression efforts taken into consideration, Romney might could pull it off. It depends on what happens between now and November.

[worry]

[Terez]

I can't figure out what the crowd reaction was there.

[worry]

Orgasm.

[Terez]

lol, is that what it was? I supposed that's what happens when you're repressed.

[worry]

In lighter news: http://www.rawstory....-of-conception/

Ryan on abortion exceptions: Rape is just another ‘method of conception’

[Terez]

Wow. TRMS team is probably ecstatic.

PS—There is another article on RAW about why rape exceptions are a bad idea, and it's true. They don't work. They provide an incentive for false rape claims which would inevitably have a negative effect on justice for actual rapes, and that's just the beginning of the problem. Term exceptions make more sense, like a first term limit with only doctor-recommended exceptions after that.

This post has been edited by Terez: 24 August 2012 - 09:49 PM

[gulex]

I'm european so this really isn't my choice. But the way i see it -
If Romney wins the corporations will suck up the capital the US needs to survive as a first world nation.
If Obama wins healthcare + the, erh, less rich will suck up the capital the US needs to survive as a first world nation.

I was really hoping for Ron Paul (but then that was impossible) even though i'm a leftist (politically agnostic - but if you put a gun to my face and forced me to choose ...)
Too often democracy boils itself down to the question:"Do we want fraudulent idiot number 1 or number 2?" Its like that in Denmark too but it looks like its a bit worse in the US

This post has been edited by gulex: 24 August 2012 - 09:50 PM

[Illuyankas]

You mean the less rich will suck up the capital and then put it back into the system by having enough wealth to actually afford goods and services so that the US survives as a first world nation. (whether or not this will happen with Obama is irrelevant as it will absolutely be worse under Romney as distasteful as least bad voting is)

[Terez]

The way the Congress races are looking, it won't matter much either way because both sides will have filibuster power.

[worry]

@gulex, Nah, Obama's great for the most part, I'm not really that cynical about him. The "lesser of two evils" thing is kinda wack IMO since one side is clearly evil and one side is clearly trying to do good (and has done plenty) in a hostile environment.

@Terez, I do agree that the rape exception is a watered down, over-compromised version of the ideal (though that false-rape thing seems more theoretical to me than likely to any significant degree), and that since abortion is and should be legal, progressives en masse should have been taking the hard line position all along. I hate the backsliding. Then again, in 2012 a federal judge in Arizona upheld the 20-weeks after last ovulation limit law as Constitutional, so even that is being eroded.

This post has been edited by worrywort: 24 August 2012 - 10:33 PM

[stone monkey]

Arguably Ron Paul would have been the worst of all possible choices (unless you enjoy the idea of the US as some sort of Mad Max style post-apocalypse wasteland - and who doesn't from time-to-time) He panders to the worst of the racist and religious right loonies, whilst at the same time seeking to dismantle pretty much any form of government regulation of anything - which is a perfect recipe for the US ending up as a collection of radioactive, polluted theocratic statelets at war with one another over resources and ideologies. And that's not good news for anyone.

This post has been edited by stone monkey: 25 August 2012 - 12:02 PM

[gulex]

stone monkey, on 25 August 2012 - 12:00 PM, said:

Arguably Ron Paul would have been the worst of all possible choices (unless you enjoy the idea of the US as some sort of Mad Max style post-apocalypse wasteland - and who doesn't from time-to-time) He panders to the worst of the racist and religious right loonies, whilst at the same time seeking to dismantle pretty much any form of government regulation of anything - which is a perfect recipe for the US ending up as a collection of radioactive, polluted theocratic statelets at war with one another over resources and ideologies. And that's not good news for anyone.

It is for all the countries stuck with US military up their a**

[amphibian]

stone monkey, on 25 August 2012 - 12:00 PM, said:

Arguably Ron Paul would have been the worst of all possible choices (unless you enjoy the idea of the US as some sort of Mad Max style post-apocalypse wasteland - and who doesn't from time-to-time) He panders to the worst of the racist and religious right loonies, whilst at the same time seeking to dismantle pretty much any form of government regulation of anything - which is a perfect recipe for the US ending up as a collection of radioactive, polluted theocratic statelets at war with one another over resources and ideologies. And that's not good news for anyone.

Ron Paul would be the most ineffectual president ever - if by some magic act he were placed in that position. He would instantly alienate the legislature and fail to capture the national media cycle/popular narrative again and again.

However, I honestly believe that in terms of what he would try to do and why he'd be trying to do it, he'd be better than Bush/Cheney and Romney/Ryan. They were/are that corrosive.

[Tsundoku]

http://www.heraldsun...w-1226457919041

Interesting, from our viewpoint. How do the Yanks see it?

[HoosierDaddy]

MIscharacterization of Biden. He says some whacky shit sometimes but there's no doubt he is qualified to take over the presidency.

The Democrats were running against Paul Ryan before he was ever even in the campaign. That's how much they want to highlight his policy positions and that of the Republicans who support them, like Romney.

[Terez]

Sombra, on 25 August 2012 - 09:24 PM, said:

http://www.heraldsun...w-1226457919041

Interesting, from our viewpoint. How do the Yanks see it?

Not all that interesting. That article was basically a laundry list of common wisdoms about Romney and Ryan that did not delve much beneath the surface. Ryan is known among the conservatives as a hard choices money man, for example, but his famous budget is known among progressives as a collection of magic asterisks. I could go on.

[JLV]

Ryan graduated from the school I am attending currently. He was back to do a rally/speech thing during the first week back. Couldn't make myself go, but apparently there was quite a crowd.

[D'iversify]

Terez, on 25 August 2012 - 11:57 PM, said:

Sombra, on 25 August 2012 - 09:24 PM, said:

http://www.heraldsun...w-1226457919041

Interesting, from our viewpoint. How do the Yanks see it?

Not all that interesting. That article was basically a laundry list of common wisdoms about Romney and Ryan that did not delve much beneath the surface. Ryan is known among the conservatives as a hard choices money man, for example, but his famous budget is known among progressives as a collection of magic asterisks. I could go on.

I hear he's going to save the magic kingdom from socialism with his mighty Staff of Austerity+4.

But speaking seriously, Europe is flatlining due to current economic policy and the US should realise that it's anaemic growth is actually fairly good running given the circumstances.

[Terez]

D, on 28 August 2012 - 09:53 AM, said:

Terez, on 25 August 2012 - 11:57 PM, said:

Sombra, on 25 August 2012 - 09:24 PM, said:

http://www.heraldsun...w-1226457919041

Interesting, from our viewpoint. How do the Yanks see it?

Not all that interesting. That article was basically a laundry list of common wisdoms about Romney and Ryan that did not delve much beneath the surface. Ryan is known among the conservatives as a hard choices money man, for example, but his famous budget is known among progressives as a collection of magic asterisks. I could go on.

I hear he's going to save the magic kingdom from socialism with his mighty Staff of Austerity+4.

I believe the Randians call it Shrugging.