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#15581 User is offline   QuickTidal 

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Posted 13 November 2025 - 05:57 PM

From the Epstein emails today:

Epstein, reacting in 2018 prior to his death to an article that asked "How close is Donald Trump to a Psychiatric breakdown" and the author worried about the economic fallout of Trumps policies said: “he feels alone. and is nuts !!! , I told everyone from day one. evil beyond belief. mad, and most thought i was speaking metaphorically. its obvious he could crack.” He added, “stormy daniels. ? lies after lies after lies.”

The “evil beyond belief” email is part of a 20,000-page trove from Epstein’s estate

In other messages, Epstein described Trump as a “maniac” showing signs of “early dementia,” and warned former Obama White House lawyer Kathryn Ruemmler that treating Trump like a mafia boss underestimated the “great dangerous power” of a sitting commander in chief.

Epstein also told Emirati businessman Sultan Ahmed bin Sulayem in 2018 that “Donald is close to no one… He tells each one something different,” echoing comments he made about Trump on tapes obtained and published

Epstein was also apparently a guest of Trump's Thanksgiving in 2017....so much for him saying he'd not seen or talked to the man in 15 years....

EDIT: and recall what Epsteins' brother Mark said back in the summer: “In the 2016 election, we were talking about the election and Jeffrey told me that if he said what he knew about the candidates, they would have to cancel the election."

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Posted 13 November 2025 - 07:31 PM

That edit, hoo boy. No wonder they killed him!
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Posted 14 November 2025 - 11:55 AM

Well... At least now we know what me means by 'big beautiful Bill'

ahahahahahahahahahahaha
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Posted 14 November 2025 - 12:24 PM

View PostMaark Abbott, on 14 November 2025 - 11:55 AM, said:

Well... At least now we know what me means by 'big beautiful Bill'

ahahahahahahahahahahaha


When I heard that part I was like ....no....that has to be....no......hey at least that one was consensual with an adult...?
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Posted 14 November 2025 - 12:27 PM

Honestly I think the cult will be FAR more angry/upset with him for doing a homosexual act than they ever would be for child rape.
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Posted 14 November 2025 - 12:51 PM

R Rep Thomas Massie: “These files are long going to outlive Trump. Do the right thing and vote to release them. What’s it gonna say about you in 2028, 2030, etc? That you voted to protect a pedophile. Even if he’s dead and gone that will always be on your record. That you defended him. That you tried to justify this.”

Massie is a POS, but he's spot on the money here.

The fact that Megyn Kelly (also a POS) was on TV last night trying to JUSTIFY Epstein and normalize PDFs....my gods....how far as the whole country fallen when the right wing news pundits start arguing that 15 years olds aren't at bad as younger...what planet are we living on? ALL of these people need to be brought low by this...no one should escape defending this heinous evil just to support ONE guy...
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Posted 14 November 2025 - 01:05 PM

View PostQuickTidal, on 14 November 2025 - 12:51 PM, said:

R Rep Thomas Massie: “These files are long going to outlive Trump. Do the right thing and vote to release them. What’s it gonna say about you in 2028, 2030, etc? That you voted to protect a pedophile. Even if he’s dead and gone that will always be on your record. That you defended him. That you tried to justify this.”

Massie is a POS, but he's spot on the money here.

The fact that Megyn Kelly (also a POS) was on TV last night trying to JUSTIFY Epstein and normalize PDFs....my gods....how far as the whole country fallen when the right wing news pundits start arguing that 15 years olds aren't at bad as younger...what planet are we living on? ALL of these people need to be brought low by this...no one should escape defending this heinous evil just to support ONE guy...

"I mean he stabbed five people but let's be kind to him because he could have stabbed 10 people!"
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Posted 14 November 2025 - 01:18 PM

Ugh, how low will they go?

And how low will tye electorate go to tell themselves they didnt vote for a POS

Anyone wearing anything MAGA right now needs confronted with these questions
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Posted 14 November 2025 - 01:25 PM

View PostTiste Simeon, on 14 November 2025 - 01:05 PM, said:

View PostQuickTidal, on 14 November 2025 - 12:51 PM, said:

R Rep Thomas Massie: “These files are long going to outlive Trump. Do the right thing and vote to release them. What’s it gonna say about you in 2028, 2030, etc? That you voted to protect a pedophile. Even if he’s dead and gone that will always be on your record. That you defended him. That you tried to justify this.”

Massie is a POS, but he's spot on the money here.

The fact that Megyn Kelly (also a POS) was on TV last night trying to JUSTIFY Epstein and normalize PDFs....my gods....how far as the whole country fallen when the right wing news pundits start arguing that 15 years olds aren't at bad as younger...what planet are we living on? ALL of these people need to be brought low by this...no one should escape defending this heinous evil just to support ONE guy...

"I mean he stabbed five people but let's be kind to him because he could have stabbed 10 people!"
That's what she sounds like.


It's genuinely insane.

View PostMacros, on 14 November 2025 - 01:18 PM, said:

Ugh, how low will they go?

And how low will tye electorate go to tell themselves they didnt vote for a POS

Anyone wearing anything MAGA right now needs confronted with these questions


I want this to go so badly for the MAGA crowd that the merch becomes like Swastikas post WWII....like a symbol of something so bad that it needs to be disavowed from society entirely and a crime to even show it.
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Posted 14 November 2025 - 01:31 PM

View PostQuickTidal, on 14 November 2025 - 01:25 PM, said:


I want this to go so badly for the MAGA crowd that the merch becomes like Swastikas post WWII....like a symbol of something so bad that it needs to be disavowed from society entirely and a crime to even show it.


That would be a great scene in a science fiction movie... the secret room full of Nazi memorabilia, KKK fancy dress, and MAGA hats (oh don't forget the faux gold Trump sneakers and the Trump baseball cards...).

And here's hoping it's not just fiction (too bad it's not science)...
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Posted 14 November 2025 - 05:34 PM

View PostQuickTidal, on 14 November 2025 - 12:51 PM, said:

The fact that Megyn Kelly (also a POS) was on TV last night trying to JUSTIFY Epstein and normalize PDFs....my gods....how far as the whole country fallen when the right wing news pundits start arguing that 15 years olds aren't at bad as younger...what planet are we living on? ALL of these people need to be brought low by this...no one should escape defending this heinous evil just to support ONE guy...


This planet we share with...

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Despite widespread condemnation and international treaties against it, child marriage continues in the United States unabated.

[...] A 2021 study by the advocacy group Unchained at Last found that 300,000 minors were married between 2000 and 2018 in the United States. According to the group, 60,000 of those marriages involved an age difference that would have otherwise been considered a sex crime.

Study-PDF-FINAL-1.pdf

[...] While child marriage is a nationwide problem, Republican states lead the way. Nine of the top 10 states with leading rates of child marriage are GOP run states [...]

This epidemic persists under the radar, often defended and protected by lawmakers, particularly within the Republican Party, who cite tradition, religion, and a shocking misinterpretation of maturity and readiness. [...]

West Virginia and Wyoming Republicans have also launched efforts to protect child marriage. And in New Hampshire, as recently as 2018, child marriage was legal for girls as young as 13 and boys as young as 14. This is particularly concerning because about 86% of child marriages are of young girls to male adults. Worse, efforts to ban child marriage in New Hampshire faced opposition from legislators when 174 Republicans voted against a bill to ban child marriage. One Republican lawmaker, State Representative Jess Edwards, described teen girls as "ripe and fertile"

https://www.qasimras...inder-usa-has-a


See also:


The peer-reviewed journal article version of the Unchained at Last study:

Child Marriage in the United States: Prevalence and Implications - Journal of Adolescent Health

See also:

https://www.independ...e-a7830266.html

https://www.rollings...ion-1235018777/

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Posted 15 November 2025 - 02:37 PM

So tumble weed over there then or what's the score?
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Posted 15 November 2025 - 03:33 PM

View PostMacros, on 15 November 2025 - 02:37 PM, said:

So tumble weed over there then or what's the score?


Trump has ordered the DoJ to investigate Epstein's connections with... Bill Clinton.

Presumably including how Bill got Trump to blow him on camera... witchcraft? Voodoo? Sacrificing babies to Satan?

Actually apparently according to one of the Epsteins "Bubba" refers to someone else---possibly a horse... well, here's praying it wasn't just a joke, and there actually are some photos of that...

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Posted 15 November 2025 - 11:12 PM

Southpark arent holding back

Shit the trump and Vance faces are creepy
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Posted 16 November 2025 - 10:59 AM

View PostMacros, on 15 November 2025 - 11:12 PM, said:

Southpark arent holding back

Shit the trump and Vance faces are creepy


Satan out here feeling like sloppy seconds, huh?
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Posted 19 November 2025 - 02:28 PM

Epstein files release pass the House and Senate nearly unanimously...which seems weird...as now it goes to Trump's Desk (and I admit they could be scrubbed of mentions of him, but that would look super suspicious)...if he openly vetoes it that's guilty AF....but....he could do this:

Pocket veto. Ten days of inactivity by the president, and it's automatically vetoed. If Congress is adjourned, then it can't be voted on after the fact. Lines up perfectly with Thanksgiving, so I suspect this will happen. This is my theory at least. This is also why I feel like everyone and their mom in the GOP has done this rapid about-face in mere days of time. The timing had to be perfect.

Congress is scheduled to adjourn between the 22nd and 30th of November for Thanksgiving. Ten days after (including the day of, and minus Sundays) means the tenth day lines up with the 28th or 29th.

It's merely a kicked can measure. If vetoed, it will most likely get voted on again. But it's a delay of two weeks, more time for redactions or to come up with an alternate gameplan.

Since both chambers have already voted on the bill yesterday, and Schumer was super excited.... Whether or not it has been presented yet is another thing. I would hope he would have the mindfulness to hold off until Friday or something.

There is one other slim chance (super slim, I don't expect this as the R's have shown zero interest in turning their coats now)...Maybe Thune, and the Senate told Trump they can slow this, or delay it or that Bondi can put it off for the "open investigation into the Democrats"...but they have in secret chosen this as a MAGA offramp, and will allow the details to come out, let Trump try to get himself scrubbed, a crime, impeach, convict, remove him and install JD Vance (Peter Thiel) as President. But yeah, that one is mostly a pipe dream as I simply don't think the Rs have it in them to turn on him....people like MGT and Boebert are simply opportunists who read the writing on the wall for their futures as politicians and Trump won't be around forever.

Also, What the fuck is wrong with Clay Higgins? Did he not get the memo to flip? Hooboy, even if he's in a safe seat, you gotta wonder if when his time is up if he will get primaried after all this fallout.

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Posted 19 November 2025 - 03:03 PM

Also it sounds like the AG will have the power not to release things that are a threat to security and I'm assuming it's on her discretion as to what constitutes such a threat.

So they will release things where the Dems sound bad but sure enough anything mentioning Trump will be classified as a security threat.
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Posted 19 November 2025 - 03:21 PM

View PostTiste Simeon, on 19 November 2025 - 03:03 PM, said:

Also it sounds like the AG will have the power not to release things that are a threat to security and I'm assuming it's on her discretion as to what constitutes such a threat.

So they will release things where the Dems sound bad but sure enough anything mentioning Trump will be classified as a security threat.


Indeed, My only hope in that is that too many people have seen the files and will know they are hiding shit...and it's simply not going to fly with the public. This scandal will haunt this administration for the rest of its days (however long that is) unless they cut him loose and get him out of office. At some point the Rs need to realize how much dead weight he is to them remaining in power. Turfing him, and installing Vance feels like they can accomplish all the shit they want still, but without the insane levels of baggage....I simply don't get why they have not chosen any of the off ramps they've been handed...it defies belief.
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Posted 20 November 2025 - 03:41 PM

I would pay Pay-Per-View money to watch Trump in a room with a proper journalist for an hour, no backup, no running away, no shutting down...just constantly being forced to answer questions or sit their petulantly as someone reads him the things he's done. Like every time he is nasty in an an interview, or walks away from questions he doesn't like, or calls networks who have reporter's daring to ask him tough questions childish names...I think, this man would not last ten minutes if he truly had to stand ten toes down on his shit with someone who refused to back down. He would fold like his cheap blue suits. And it would be glorious to watch.

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Posted 20 November 2025 - 04:37 PM

And he signed it
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