[Abyss]

Macros, on 06 November 2024 - 09:09 AM, said:

70 million people voted for that piece of trash.

Say that out loud

Seventy
Million
People

"So he robs, cheats, lies, bankrupts his own businesses, treats women like garbage, hates people from other countries that aren't Russia, is buds with Putin, sent a screaming mob into the Capitol when he lost the last election... oh yeah, THAT'S who i WANT for MY LEADER."

....tho to be fair a whole big chunk of them - most, even - would have voted for a decapitated Ken doll marinated in sewer juice before a Democrat, let alone a Black, Woman, Democrat.

Weird times ahead for America, i'm afraid.

[Lady Bliss]

I’ve wondered who would’ve been a better candidate. I agree with others that I was worried about a female mixed race candidate could win considering the US views. I wish Biden had never decided to run so we could have had a real choice. I like Buttigiege (I can never remember how to spell his name!) but he wouldn’t have been accepted because he’s gay. Really like Gavin Newsom, but Republicans would universally reject him. It’s a tough call on a democrat that would be accepted.

[Mentalist]

Abyss, on 06 November 2024 - 03:01 PM, said:

Macros, on 06 November 2024 - 09:09 AM, said:

70 million people voted for that piece of trash.

Say that out loud

Seventy
Million
People

"So he robs, cheats, lies, bankrupts his own businesses, treats women like garbage, hates people from other countries that aren't Russia, is buds with Putin, sent a screaming mob into the Capitol when he lost the last election... oh yeah, THAT'S who i WANT for MY LEADER."

....tho to be fair a whole big chunk of them - most, even - would have voted for a decapitated Ken doll marinated in sewer juice before a Democrat, let alone a Black, Woman, Democrat.

Weird times ahead for America, i'm afraid.

And the world. Right wing fascist-lite populist aspiring leaders got a major reality check in 2022 when Moscow failed to blitz UA. But now they are going to feel re-energized and even more validated.

With a compliant Senate, Congress and Supreme Court, are there any real checks on his power left? Or does he now have free reign to dismantle anything he doesn't particularly like?

This post has been edited by Mentalist: Today, 03:16 PM

[Azath Vitr (D'ivers]

Mentalist, on 06 November 2024 - 03:15 PM, said:

With a compliant Senate, Congress and Supreme Court, are there any real checks on his power left? Or does he now have free reign to dismantle anything he doesn't particularly like?

Quote

Trump's reckless venality is a reason for hope. Trump has the soul of a fascist but the mind of a disordered child. He will likely be surrounded by terrible but incompetent people. All of them can be beaten: in court, in Congress, in statehouses around the nation, and in the public arena. America is a federal republic, and the states—at least those in the union that will still care about democracy—have ways to protect their citizens from a rogue president. Nothing is inevitable, and democracy will not fall overnight. [But it probably should... just not to them!]

[...] The kinds of actions that will stop Trump from destroying America in 2025 are the same ones that stopped many of his plans the first time around. They are not flashy, and they will require sustained attention, because the next battles for democracy will be fought by lawyers and legislators, in Washington and in every state capitol. They will be fought by citizens banding together in associations and movements to rouse others from the sleepwalk that has led America into this moment.

Trump Has Won, but Democracy Is Not Over - The Atlantic

One big question is how quickly and how thoroughly he can corrupt the federal judiciary, federal law enforcement, and the military... if he gains full authoritarian control over them all, even to the point of carrying out blatantly illegal and immoral orders, then the resistance may need to adapt to a very different set of strategies...

[Edit: I meant federal judiciary not legislature]

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[worry]

The Supreme Court is gone, and is the biggest loss in terms of long-term reshaping of the country -- very little doubt he will get to replace Thomas and Alito now. Not to mention stocking federal courts even further with Federalist Society picks. Lots and lots of 20th Century progress will be eroded here, and Citizens United will remain the stake in this country's heart.

Full compliance in the Senate and Congress is TBD. I don't mean that in any kind of optimistic Rs-have-integrity sense. But a lot in the Senate will have to do with if Rs abandon the filibuster, which may be a hard sell even now, but we'll see. And a very thin split in the House (it's looking like 218-217 either way, give or take a few) is more chaotic than anything else.

The executive branch is probably where Trump will do the most immediate institutional damage, both domestic and abroad, and it's not going to be pretty. You guys already know what the foreign policy is gonna be. But here, Project 2025 is real, and while there might not be 100% overlap with his agenda, it's founded in efforts the first Trump admin was trying to do anyway (it's laughable that he pretends it's not), and the Heritage Foundation will get its way most of the time with any GOP admin. Also look for Stephen Miller to go full throttle, the single most dangerous person in Trump's circle imo.

[Azath Vitr (D'ivers]

worry, on 06 November 2024 - 03:50 PM, said:

The Supreme Court is gone, and is the biggest loss in terms of long-term reshaping of the country -- very little doubt he will get to replace Thomas and Alito now. Not to mention stocking federal courts even further with Federalist Society picks. Lots and lots of 20th Century progress will be eroded here, and Citizens United will remain the stake in this country's heart.

Bad as the current Supreme Court and the Federalist Society's picks are, Trump can do even worse.

The Supreme Court refused to overturn the 2020 election for him. He is not happy about that.

I wouldn't be shocked if he tried to pack the Supreme Court with absolute cronies who would support him as dictator, all pretense of law and logic discarded (even moreso than they already have been...).

Or leveraged his "presidential immunity" and control over federal law enforcement and the military to "persuade" Roberts, Barrett, et al to do his bidding in all possible cases...

This post has been edited by Azath Vitr (D'ivers: Today, 04:03 PM

[Primateus]

I've really only had two thoughts, aside from some subsidiary thoughts, about this election. My first thought is found in my earlier post from yesterday. But the second thought has been that he was going to win again, and to all his supporters? It's not going to be what they want it to be right now at this moment. And in a year or two, they will be making excuses for him all over again.

[Cause]

Im worried if the GOP takes the house as well there will be no speed bumps to them enacting their zany legislations.

Majorie, Boebert, Johnson, Trump, McConnell. Not sure whose ideas are worse

[HoosierDaddy]

Caveat Emptor.

Gonna get worse before it gets better.

Some tough medicine is going to be needed in a few years.