[Tulas Shorn]

Fener, on 30 January 2012 - 09:05 PM, said:

To put it another way, you are safe from attacks directed at you by members of the faction you're allied with. Thus, alliances = less chance of death for your faction members (and ditto for the other faction involved)

Opinions?

I concur with you. I would also speculate that it could also be a instance of good actions (heal) go through on alliance members and hostile actions (nk, guard) don't.

[Tulas Shorn]

Omtose, on 30 January 2012 - 09:16 PM, said:

Fener, on 30 January 2012 - 09:05 PM, said:

To put it another way, you are safe from attacks directed at you by members of the faction you're allied with. Thus, alliances = less chance of death for your faction members (and ditto for the other faction involved)

Opinions?

This seems like a much more likely function of alliances, and there must have been something to increase the number of successful NKs so dramatically, it would make sense considering the alliances that were in place and the clans that were targeted as well, it would also explain why alliances can so easily change and not seem to depend on numbers sticking together for a majority, which as I said I think would be flawed.

They can't change any more. There are only two leaders left now.

[Tulas Shorn]

Kessobahn, on 30 January 2012 - 11:25 PM, said:

Sorry I haven't been around, work is taking 110% of my time & attention

Normally by this time I'd have a list of who I thought was in what faction, but haven't been able todo that that for this game. I'd like to see the minimized faction go, if we can be sure of the identity of that person. On the other hand, TS has been in the common eye all game and still manages to slide past, suggesting there's some help out there for him.

At this point I'm ok with voting TS or Kara, because I don't believe they're on my team.

Who has been helping me. People keep saying that. But I haven't seen anyone. Please for the love of god point out someone who has been helping me. I see most people saying that I have been a target since day one and saying that people have been helping me. I don't mind the accusations. But seriously point some figures otherwise I think that those of you who are saying that people have been helping me and defending me are blowing smoke up my ass.

Which I won't deny in a different place I might like.

[Tulas Shorn]

Tiamatha, on 30 January 2012 - 09:49 PM, said:

Wow, I've been gone forever but it seems like only minutes have passed. Tonight shall be the night of nights where I'll actually participate....

Gee thanks. I guess this was extremely helpful. Please come again.

[Tulas Shorn]

Fener, on 30 January 2012 - 10:47 PM, said:

As someone else said already, I'd like to hear from everyone before we get down to the voting. Although I have no reservations about a Tulas lynch, can we say he's even the most powerful left in his faction?

Umm I don't see how. Well I guess I might be. It is true that my faction has taken a small beating. But I like to think of myself as the loud member of my faction rather then the most powerful. I mean if I am then that means that my faction is in a shittier spot then I thought.

I still say that our best bet at this point is to break up the alliance by trying to lynch one of the two remaining leaders.

[Fener]

Tulas Shorn, on 31 January 2012 - 03:02 AM, said:

Fener, on 30 January 2012 - 10:47 PM, said:

As someone else said already, I'd like to hear from everyone before we get down to the voting. Although I have no reservations about a Tulas lynch, can we say he's even the most powerful left in his faction?

Umm I don't see how. Well I guess I might be. It is true that my faction has taken a small beating. But I like to think of myself as the loud member of my faction rather then the most powerful. I mean if I am then that means that my faction is in a shittier spot then I thought.

I still say that our best bet at this point is to break up the alliance by trying to lynch one of the two remaining leaders.

Someone's here - yeys!!!

I take it from this that you are neither Ashikaga or Fujiwari then. "Our" best bet refers to whom exactly - other than yourself obviously?

[Tulas Shorn]

Fener, on 31 January 2012 - 03:06 AM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 31 January 2012 - 03:02 AM, said:

Fener, on 30 January 2012 - 10:47 PM, said:

As someone else said already, I'd like to hear from everyone before we get down to the voting. Although I have no reservations about a Tulas lynch, can we say he's even the most powerful left in his faction?

Umm I don't see how. Well I guess I might be. It is true that my faction has taken a small beating. But I like to think of myself as the loud member of my faction rather then the most powerful. I mean if I am then that means that my faction is in a shittier spot then I thought.

I still say that our best bet at this point is to break up the alliance by trying to lynch one of the two remaining leaders.

Someone's here - yeys!!!

I take it from this that you are neither Ashikaga or Fujiwari then. "Our" best bet refers to whom exactly - other than yourself obviously?

Those of us not in that grand 5 member alliance.

[Fener]

Tulas Shorn, on 31 January 2012 - 02:55 AM, said:

Omtose, on 30 January 2012 - 09:16 PM, said:

Fener, on 30 January 2012 - 09:05 PM, said:

To put it another way, you are safe from attacks directed at you by members of the faction you're allied with. Thus, alliances = less chance of death for your faction members (and ditto for the other faction involved)

Opinions?

This seems like a much more likely function of alliances, and there must have been something to increase the number of successful NKs so dramatically, it would make sense considering the alliances that were in place and the clans that were targeted as well, it would also explain why alliances can so easily change and not seem to depend on numbers sticking together for a majority, which as I said I think would be flawed.

They can't change any more. There are only two leaders left now.

Wait - how do you know for sure that the power to form alliances doesn't devolve to another member after their death?

It's not that I disagree with you - in fact, the lack of new alliances between the other factions suggests that you're right, but you do seem extremely certain about this.

[Fener]

Tulas Shorn, on 31 January 2012 - 03:07 AM, said:

Fener, on 31 January 2012 - 03:06 AM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 31 January 2012 - 03:02 AM, said:

Fener, on 30 January 2012 - 10:47 PM, said:

As someone else said already, I'd like to hear from everyone before we get down to the voting. Although I have no reservations about a Tulas lynch, can we say he's even the most powerful left in his faction?

Umm I don't see how. Well I guess I might be. It is true that my faction has taken a small beating. But I like to think of myself as the loud member of my faction rather then the most powerful. I mean if I am then that means that my faction is in a shittier spot then I thought.

I still say that our best bet at this point is to break up the alliance by trying to lynch one of the two remaining leaders.

Someone's here - yeys!!!

I take it from this that you are neither Ashikaga or Fujiwari then. "Our" best bet refers to whom exactly - other than yourself obviously?

Those of us not in that grand 5 member alliance.

Ah - so you're attempting to form an alliance without the official alliance ability....interesting I have to say.

[Tulas Shorn]

Really I would not be surprised to see if there is a alliance at the end that they split the lands and spoils. After all that is something that would have happened in real Japan during the period. If that is the case (I have asked PS and the miserable bastard that he is he won't say one way or the other) then a wrong lynch today with alliance members protected from killing off each other will lead to them being able to reveal who they are tomorrow and either send the game to night until the alliance members are the only ones left or lynching the remaining non-alliance members.

[Tulas Shorn]

Fener, on 31 January 2012 - 03:08 AM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 31 January 2012 - 02:55 AM, said:

Omtose, on 30 January 2012 - 09:16 PM, said:

Fener, on 30 January 2012 - 09:05 PM, said:

To put it another way, you are safe from attacks directed at you by members of the faction you're allied with. Thus, alliances = less chance of death for your faction members (and ditto for the other faction involved)

Opinions?

This seems like a much more likely function of alliances, and there must have been something to increase the number of successful NKs so dramatically, it would make sense considering the alliances that were in place and the clans that were targeted as well, it would also explain why alliances can so easily change and not seem to depend on numbers sticking together for a majority, which as I said I think would be flawed.

They can't change any more. There are only two leaders left now.

Wait - how do you know for sure that the power to form alliances doesn't devolve to another member after their death?

It's not that I disagree with you - in fact, the lack of new alliances between the other factions suggests that you're right, but you do seem extremely certain about this.

I am not certain my hypothesis is strictly based on the fact that alliances have broken up when leaders have died and have managed to stay together when they are both alive. 100% positive I am not but I have to say the lack of evidence the other way is very substantial.

[Fener]

Tulas Shorn, on 31 January 2012 - 03:10 AM, said:

Really I would not be surprised to see if there is a alliance at the end that they split the lands and spoils. After all that is something that would have happened in real Japan during the period. If that is the case (I have asked PS and the miserable bastard that he is he won't say one way or the other) then a wrong lynch today with alliance members protected from killing off each other will lead to them being able to reveal who they are tomorrow and either send the game to night until the alliance members are the only ones left or lynching the remaining non-alliance members.

It's not quite as bad as you make it sound there. It's not unreasonable to presume the other factions, or at least Takeda and Uesugi, still have within their ranks people with an NK ability - if the Ashi and Fuji reveal then they'll know exactly who to target. Then it becomes a question of who manages to take out the opposing side's killers first.

[Tulas Shorn]

Fener, on 31 January 2012 - 03:09 AM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 31 January 2012 - 03:07 AM, said:

Fener, on 31 January 2012 - 03:06 AM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 31 January 2012 - 03:02 AM, said:

Fener, on 30 January 2012 - 10:47 PM, said:

As someone else said already, I'd like to hear from everyone before we get down to the voting. Although I have no reservations about a Tulas lynch, can we say he's even the most powerful left in his faction?

Umm I don't see how. Well I guess I might be. It is true that my faction has taken a small beating. But I like to think of myself as the loud member of my faction rather then the most powerful. I mean if I am then that means that my faction is in a shittier spot then I thought.

I still say that our best bet at this point is to break up the alliance by trying to lynch one of the two remaining leaders.

Someone's here - yeys!!!

I take it from this that you are neither Ashikaga or Fujiwari then. "Our" best bet refers to whom exactly - other than yourself obviously?

Those of us not in that grand 5 member alliance.

Ah - so you're attempting to form an alliance without the official alliance ability....interesting I have to say.

Why not. What else should we do. Stand around and hope that one of the remaining generals for either the M or the U take out a leader of the A or F. Phffff. I would rather take my chances then trust that they will actually be able to target a leader of the alliance.

[Fener]

Oh, and with regards to PS - I think he's ignored about 90% of my questions

[Tulas Shorn]

Fener, on 31 January 2012 - 03:15 AM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 31 January 2012 - 03:10 AM, said:

Really I would not be surprised to see if there is a alliance at the end that they split the lands and spoils. After all that is something that would have happened in real Japan during the period. If that is the case (I have asked PS and the miserable bastard that he is he won't say one way or the other) then a wrong lynch today with alliance members protected from killing off each other will lead to them being able to reveal who they are tomorrow and either send the game to night until the alliance members are the only ones left or lynching the remaining non-alliance members.

It's not quite as bad as you make it sound there. It's not unreasonable to presume the other factions, or at least Takeda and Uesugi, still have within their ranks people with an NK ability - if the Ashi and Fuji reveal then they'll know exactly who to target. Then it becomes a question of who manages to take out the opposing side's killers first.

That would be a lot easier for those killers to take out one of the other sides if the alliance wasn't protecting both of the A and F factions from each other's NKs.

[Tulas Shorn]

Also I dont' think that the T's have a killer left. I would put factions in this order


Leader
Killer
Healer/guard
guard/healer

Or something along those lines.

[Tulas Shorn]

Fener, on 31 January 2012 - 03:16 AM, said:

Oh, and with regards to PS - I think he's ignored about 90% of my questions

Yeah but you probably ask a lot of questions. I don't. Therefore I expect answers to my questions.

[Fener]

Tulas Shorn, on 31 January 2012 - 03:17 AM, said:

Fener, on 31 January 2012 - 03:15 AM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 31 January 2012 - 03:10 AM, said:

Really I would not be surprised to see if there is a alliance at the end that they split the lands and spoils. After all that is something that would have happened in real Japan during the period. If that is the case (I have asked PS and the miserable bastard that he is he won't say one way or the other) then a wrong lynch today with alliance members protected from killing off each other will lead to them being able to reveal who they are tomorrow and either send the game to night until the alliance members are the only ones left or lynching the remaining non-alliance members.

It's not quite as bad as you make it sound there. It's not unreasonable to presume the other factions, or at least Takeda and Uesugi, still have within their ranks people with an NK ability - if the Ashi and Fuji reveal then they'll know exactly who to target. Then it becomes a question of who manages to take out the opposing side's killers first.

That would be a lot easier for those killers to take out one of the other sides if the alliance wasn't protecting both of the A and F factions from each other's NKs.

I don't understand - the alliance doesn't stop other NKs going through. The fact that Fuji and Ashi can't NK each other doesn't really affect anything - especially in your scenario where they've revealed and all know each other.

[Fener]

The people that I'm most interested in having a discussion on today apart from yourself Tulas are the quiet ones Korlat and Tiamatha, and generally anyone beginning with the letter K, as throughout the game they have all pretty much melded into one for me.

[Tulas Shorn]

Fener, on 31 January 2012 - 03:20 AM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 31 January 2012 - 03:17 AM, said:

Fener, on 31 January 2012 - 03:15 AM, said:

Tulas Shorn, on 31 January 2012 - 03:10 AM, said:

Really I would not be surprised to see if there is a alliance at the end that they split the lands and spoils. After all that is something that would have happened in real Japan during the period. If that is the case (I have asked PS and the miserable bastard that he is he won't say one way or the other) then a wrong lynch today with alliance members protected from killing off each other will lead to them being able to reveal who they are tomorrow and either send the game to night until the alliance members are the only ones left or lynching the remaining non-alliance members.

It's not quite as bad as you make it sound there. It's not unreasonable to presume the other factions, or at least Takeda and Uesugi, still have within their ranks people with an NK ability - if the Ashi and Fuji reveal then they'll know exactly who to target. Then it becomes a question of who manages to take out the opposing side's killers first.

That would be a lot easier for those killers to take out one of the other sides if the alliance wasn't protecting both of the A and F factions from each other's NKs.

I don't understand - the alliance doesn't stop other NKs going through. The fact that Fuji and Ashi can't NK each other doesn't really affect anything - especially in your scenario where they've revealed and all know each other.

Yes but I am thinking that if there is no more alliance then they can't share some kind of victory thus there will no longer be any need for them to keep each other around either. Basically a free for all.